Yea but they never will so the only option is to primary them.
Like Americans need to realize that not primarying democrats means they feel safe with your vote and are thus incentivized to prioritize seeking republican voters.
MAGA on the other hand literally primaried people for not being extreme enough... Only took them 6 elections if you think about it.
The race to outflank each other on the right has been happening in the Republican party for over 40 years, but over the last 16 years they've gone increasingly batshit
Democrats know they have a stranglehold on the primary process, and they know that the results of their interference with the will of the people will be interpreted as apathy on the part of the left.
Also Americans need to nominate people for candidacy. What stood out the most to me in Knock Down The House was that it was AOC's brother in law that nominated her and the grass roots organization that vetted and asked her to run.
I think a lot of competant leaders don't run for office because they don't believe they will even make it onto the ballot.
Like Americans need to realize that not primarying democrats means they feel safe with your vote and are thus incentivized to prioritize seeking republican voters.
Americans liberals think that everyone but them is a Republican. And, therefore, you must trick the Republicans into voting for you be appearing to be better at Things Republicans Care About than the actual Republican on the ballot.
Clinton, Obama, and Biden all did conservative pastiche and won. Therefore, Americans would never vote for a Limousine Liberal rainbow flag hugger from Fake America's richest city if he was talking shit about veterans and fucking prostitutes in his free time. You've got to put John Kerry in a hunting jacket if you want to win Ohio. You need Bernie Sanders to denounce everyone in Cuba. Make Kamala Harris go on Hot Ones alongside Joe Rogan. You can't step off a plane with your name on it or ride down a golden escalator, like some kind of out-of-touch elitist. You sure as hell can't glad-hand the President of China or - god fucking forbid - North Korea. Anyone who did those things would lose in a landslide, purely because Real Americans hate it.
You have to play it safe. Only the safest candidates will win. That's why Jeb Bush was Hillary Clinton's biggest threat in 2016.
Your "negotiations" are just trading the lives of innocent people in other countries to keep you and yours comfortable at home, you deserve Trump and worse
Still vote for them though... But fight to keep them accountable and primary the fuck out of the establishment / career / corpo ones (re: nearly all of them... But power comes from the bottom up)
Yup. Politicians aren't our friends, they are - or at least should be - something like our "employees". WE (to some degree) choose them, and (to some degree) pay their salaries. It's up to us to keep them accountable.
Yes, you are correct that the numbers for the Green Party aren't usually enough to make a difference in any election. I'm just frustrated that they're not even providing a legitimate alternative to the Democratic Party.
How I'd want the Greens to work:
Run real candidates in local elections who care about the environment and get shit done. Be able to point to things like town X electing a Green as mayor and not having their water poisoned. Or 6 state reps from the Greens passing air pollution controls and getting more business into the state instead of less. Pro-bike laws. Etc.
Ask both national parties what they're going to promise to do for the environment and either endorse the better one or release a statement that both parties are unwilling to do anything for the environment and encouraging people to vote local.
How the Greens actually work:
Take money from private interests
Abandon all local races
Fuck around at the national level, drawing attention and money away from groups that would try to get anything done
Lol more of the same, you're too chickenshit to actually admit that dems fucked themselves over by refusing to condemn and meaningfully oppose genocide so you blame the victims, the voters, the other parties. You deserved to lose. You deserve Trump and worse.
Dems top policy needs to be funding social services and adding healthcare to it. I want to see my tax money actually do good things for people in this country. Not do bad things to people in other countries.
I've been a critic the entire time, and I still voted for Kamala, because I'd rather kick the can down there road not stomp on it and crush it right now. You people who claim to only hear it during elections just have your head buried in the sand the rest of the time.
Quit blaming others for your own failures. If a third party has enough power to fuck you out of an election win then you need to take them and their supporters seriously and make credible policy offerings to win them over. Dems refuse to do that, so they lost to a demented pedophile. Learn the lesson and do better or it'll happen again.
I’m not blaming anybody. I’m pointing out the motivation of the politician is not to win, and is not to make any meaningful difference. They are tools of the Republican Party, and they are fully aware of this fact.
My post never blamed anybody. That’s something you are accusing me of without merit. I am merely commenting on the motivations of the politician.
This thread began with you blaming a third party with basically zero institutional power for shit the democrats did voluntarily, literally anyone who can read is going to call bullshit on that, if you're going to lie at least try to make it remotely believable
Do you at least recognize there is a difference between saying “their motivation is to protect the pedophile protectors” and “they are to blame for the pedophile protectors getting elected”? Cause if not then we just have a different view of reality.
Are there dems on the list? Sure! BURY THEM IN LEGAL HELL TOO.
Are both sides The Same™️? No, you fucking dipshit dorkass loser.
Democrats are flawed corporatist neoliberals for the most part, and I wish every moment of every day that they embraced the very real and very vocal contingent of voters crying for leftist policy, but they are by no means The Same™️ as the genocidal accelerationist Fascists that modern Republicans are. To suggest otherwise is delusional.
They're "not the same" in the same way that the good cop and the bad cop are not the same in a good cop/bad cop routine. The difference doesn't fucking matter, they're working together against you. Dems aren't "flawed" they're corrupt, and spineless halfwits like you are helping them get away with it.
Literally lock them all up. No one here thinks Democrat pedophiles are okay. What the fuck are you even talking about. Only one party invaded Iran and is threatening nuclear war. The right wing is actively destroying our democracy and the only people fighting back are on the left.
The US has never been a democracy, it was never even a particularly good representative republic. Maybe you don't think it's different when dems do it, but there absolutely are people who think that way and they're extremely loud about it so there's no fucking way you've never seen it.
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MajinBlayze@lemmy.world · 183 pts · 153d
Man I wish national Democrats were actually in favor of letting those 12 kids play badminton
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 52 pts · 153d
Yea but they never will so the only option is to primary them.
Like Americans need to realize that not primarying democrats means they feel safe with your vote and are thus incentivized to prioritize seeking republican voters.
MAGA on the other hand literally primaried people for not being extreme enough... Only took them 6 elections if you think about it.
protist@retrofed.com · 19 pts · 153d
The race to outflank each other on the right has been happening in the Republican party for over 40 years, but over the last 16 years they've gone increasingly batshit
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 153d
GOP & DNC are the sword $ shield of the wealthy elites respectively.
But still GOP incumbents have always been more likely to face a funded primary opponent. Meanwhile DNC protects theirs from challengers.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 153d
They selectively protect incumbents. They didn't do a thing to protect Cori Bush or Jamaal Bowman, but they protected Henry Cuellar.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 152d
Obviously they're not going to protect the people we replace them with. That's up to us!
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 153d
Democrats know they have a stranglehold on the primary process, and they know that the results of their interference with the will of the people will be interpreted as apathy on the part of the left.
In order to justify moving to the right.
MajinBlayze@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 153d
Agreed, and support organizations like PV that do phone banking and door knocking to help those progressive candidates win.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 153d
Also Americans need to nominate people for candidacy. What stood out the most to me in Knock Down The House was that it was AOC's brother in law that nominated her and the grass roots organization that vetted and asked her to run.
I think a lot of competant leaders don't run for office because they don't believe they will even make it onto the ballot.
xabit24368@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 153d
I think a lot of competant leftists don't run for office because they won't even make it onto the ballot :/
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 152d
Americans liberals think that everyone but them is a Republican. And, therefore, you must trick the Republicans into voting for you be appearing to be better at Things Republicans Care About than the actual Republican on the ballot.
Clinton, Obama, and Biden all did conservative pastiche and won. Therefore, Americans would never vote for a Limousine Liberal rainbow flag hugger from Fake America's richest city if he was talking shit about veterans and fucking prostitutes in his free time. You've got to put John Kerry in a hunting jacket if you want to win Ohio. You need Bernie Sanders to denounce everyone in Cuba. Make Kamala Harris go on Hot Ones alongside Joe Rogan. You can't step off a plane with your name on it or ride down a golden escalator, like some kind of out-of-touch elitist. You sure as hell can't glad-hand the President of China or - god fucking forbid - North Korea. Anyone who did those things would lose in a landslide, purely because Real Americans hate it.
You have to play it safe. Only the safest candidates will win. That's why Jeb Bush was Hillary Clinton's biggest threat in 2016.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 153d
Yeah most dems seem content to throw them under the bus.
Harris seemed disgusted by the fact that people associated her with trans rights.
nightlily@leminal.space · 6 pts · 151d
They’ll be just like British Labour who are somehow even worse than the last Tory government was on trans issues.
glitchdx@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 151d
They can be negotiated with on the issues that matter. Unlike the other team.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 150d
Lol fuck off
glitchdx@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 150d
kiss my ass
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 150d
Your "negotiations" are just trading the lives of innocent people in other countries to keep you and yours comfortable at home, you deserve Trump and worse
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 65 pts · 153d
Dems aren't your friends.
Still vote for them though... But fight to keep them accountable and primary the fuck out of the establishment / career / corpo ones (re: nearly all of them... But power comes from the bottom up)
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 153d
Yup. Politicians aren't our friends, they are - or at least should be - something like our "employees". WE (to some degree) choose them, and (to some degree) pay their salaries. It's up to us to keep them accountable.
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 153d
12 trans kids are enough to disintegrate the very fabric of society and civilization at large! Dear god... their power... is unfathomable!
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 153d
[ trans kid turns super saiyan as the sky darkens and orchestral score swells in the background ]
becausechemistry@piefed.social · 22 pts · 153d
Green Party: distract mostly left-leaning people to make it easier for Republicans to get elected
Mniot@programming.dev · 3 pts · 152d
It's fucked up that the Greens actually went into business as Russian stooges instead of just being an opposition party.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 150d
The democrats didn't lose because of russia or the green party, they lost because they're spineless corrupt shitbags
Mniot@programming.dev · 1 pts · 150d
Yes, you are correct that the numbers for the Green Party aren't usually enough to make a difference in any election. I'm just frustrated that they're not even providing a legitimate alternative to the Democratic Party.
How I'd want the Greens to work:
How the Greens actually work:
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 152d
"It's everyone else's fault we lost" lol cope
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 151d
"voting green or not voting would have saved palestinians and stopped genocide" lol cope
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 151d
Lol more of the same, you're too chickenshit to actually admit that dems fucked themselves over by refusing to condemn and meaningfully oppose genocide so you blame the victims, the voters, the other parties. You deserved to lose. You deserve Trump and worse.
50_centavos@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 153d
Dems top policy needs to be funding social services and adding healthcare to it. I want to see my tax money actually do good things for people in this country. Not do bad things to people in other countries.
A7thStone@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 153d
Best we can do is not take your civil liberties away quite as quickly. We're still going to bomb other countries though.
-DNC
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml · -9 pts · 153d
Why do you Democratic critics only come up during election cycles!?
A7thStone@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 152d
I've been a critic the entire time, and I still voted for Kamala, because I'd rather kick the can down there road not stomp on it and crush it right now. You people who claim to only hear it during elections just have your head buried in the sand the rest of the time.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 152d
We've been here the whole time dumbass, you just tune it all out in between elections because you don't actually give a shit
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 153d
“On one hand those trans kids give me the creeps. On the other, I get to call high school girls hot without consequences!”
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 15 pts · 152d
Aaaeh don worry bout it, Gavin will take care of this choice for us.
/s (<= cannot stress this enough)
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 153d
"I can't decide if dems are lesser-evil, reluctant genocidaires, or wholesome smol-beanerinos."
Hupf@feddit.org · 9 pts · 153d
you say?
danc4498@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 153d
Green Party:
Protecting the pedophile protectors.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 152d
"It's everyone else's fault we lost" lol cope
danc4498@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 152d
Sorry if you thought I was referring to you. Unless you are a green party politician. In that case I was talking about you. Lol cope.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 152d
Quit blaming others for your own failures. If a third party has enough power to fuck you out of an election win then you need to take them and their supporters seriously and make credible policy offerings to win them over. Dems refuse to do that, so they lost to a demented pedophile. Learn the lesson and do better or it'll happen again.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 151d
I’m not blaming anybody. I’m pointing out the motivation of the politician is not to win, and is not to make any meaningful difference. They are tools of the Republican Party, and they are fully aware of this fact.
My post never blamed anybody. That’s something you are accusing me of without merit. I am merely commenting on the motivations of the politician.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 151d
This thread began with you blaming a third party with basically zero institutional power for shit the democrats did voluntarily, literally anyone who can read is going to call bullshit on that, if you're going to lie at least try to make it remotely believable
danc4498@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 151d
Do you at least recognize there is a difference between saying “their motivation is to protect the pedophile protectors” and “they are to blame for the pedophile protectors getting elected”? Cause if not then we just have a different view of reality.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 151d
Democrats are pedophile protectors, your "view of reality" is spineless and stupid
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 153d
It's also to make way too much money off of a collapsing system
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 151d
Lmao what did the DNC start paying for ads again? Sudden influx of a bunch of leftist bashing and whitewashing DNC actions last week or so.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 153d
Not as tough as you think for insane MAGA, they have been commanded to hate, so they will hate.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 153d
There are dems on the epstein list too, both parties are on the same team
Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 153d
Are there dems on the list? Sure! BURY THEM IN LEGAL HELL TOO.
Are both sides The Same™️? No, you fucking dipshit dorkass loser.
Democrats are flawed corporatist neoliberals for the most part, and I wish every moment of every day that they embraced the very real and very vocal contingent of voters crying for leftist policy, but they are by no means The Same™️ as the genocidal accelerationist Fascists that modern Republicans are. To suggest otherwise is delusional.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 153d
They're "not the same" in the same way that the good cop and the bad cop are not the same in a good cop/bad cop routine. The difference doesn't fucking matter, they're working together against you. Dems aren't "flawed" they're corrupt, and spineless halfwits like you are helping them get away with it.
Blum0108@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 153d
Gtfoh with that both sides bullshit
Catgrass@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 153d
They're the same side lol
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 153d
I'm right, you're fine with pedophiles and genocide as long as it's your team doing it
Blum0108@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 153d
Literally lock them all up. No one here thinks Democrat pedophiles are okay. What the fuck are you even talking about. Only one party invaded Iran and is threatening nuclear war. The right wing is actively destroying our democracy and the only people fighting back are on the left.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 153d
The US has never been a democracy, it was never even a particularly good representative republic. Maybe you don't think it's different when dems do it, but there absolutely are people who think that way and they're extremely loud about it so there's no fucking way you've never seen it.
Blum0108@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 153d
Don't cut yourself with all the edge
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 153d
I'm right, cry about it
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 153d
Not really, you're just trying to pick a fight.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 153d
Yeah really
Lemminary@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 153d
.ml
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 153d
.world
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 153d
sh.it :D
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · -2 pts · 153d
Yep, cry about it
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 153d
I will, all night and part of tomorrow morning, too.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 150d
lol, ok. This is your thing. Halfwit.
BanMe@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 153d
Are the trans kids hot? What school do they go to?
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 153d
I didn't know POTUS had a Lemmy account