Engineers are confident that shutting down the LECP will give Voyager 1 about a year of breathing room. They are using the time to finalize a more ambitious energy-saving fix for both Voyagers they call “the Big Bang,” which is designed to further extend Voyager operations. The idea is to swap out a group of powered devices all at once — hence the nickname — turning some things off and replacing them with lower-power alternatives to keep the spacecraft warm enough to continue gathering science data.
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popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 135 pts · 117d
What a badass little craft to have kept operating for so long. 🫡
mystik@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 117d
Check out AMSAT-OSCAR 7 -- Closer to home, but launched in 1974, and still waking up when there's sun to operate. It's the oldest "operational" satellite still up there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMSAT-OSCAR_7
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 117d
Fucking A good on ya for the heads up. I somehow haven't heard of this one.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 117d
AMSAT = Amateur Satellite! Holy shit. Amateur, my ass.
borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 117d
It’s a satellite for amateur radio, it’s not implying it’s an amateur satellite.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 117d
Oh.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 117d
Cool that the Polish opposition used it to get around wire tapping.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 14 pts · 117d
A truly beautiful piece of engineering
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 121 pts · 117d
Why can't we be as forward thinking as the people who created the voyager probes?
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 125 pts · 117d
gndagreborn@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 117d
Jesus that is a sobering figure I did not need to see today.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 117d
And it’s quite outdated, I think from 2022. It has become much worse since
Pyrodexter@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 117d
It actually doesn't really show much, except maybe that inflation exists and people generally have more money now.
If it's supposed to show how the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, it does a lousy job. It's practically impossible to see the relative change between the groups, since the lower two graphs' behaviors are impossible to see. The only thing that can at least somewhat be seen is that the top 10% and the top 1% grow quite correspondingly.
So, basically that graph shows that everything seems to be as fair as it has always been. Probably wasn't the intention, and certainly not a good representation of what's happening. It's very possible that the top 1% is included also in the top 10% and dominates it, but just based on that graph it's impossible to know.
timestatic@feddit.org · 13 pts · 117d
Now please show an inflation adjusted graph or better one that shows in percentage how much each fraction owns of the wealth pie.
Skanky@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 116d
There is no way that disparity is that close.
assa123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 115d
The chart is at about 1.5% of the way from displaying a billionaire, with Muskrat being 800,000 times higher than the top of this chart. The 1% are not the problem, they are one in a hundred. The practically unbounded wealth of a handful of people above this chart is our problem, the world's problem, humanity's problem.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 52 pts · 117d
Voyager 1 was launched in 1977 - just before the Reagan era. Coincidence?
Also, and I'm still just guessing here, it's probably the culmination of the space race to the moon minus the pressure to be there before the Russians.
In other words, NASA's Golden Age.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 117d
Also, the tech was "just right" then. Small and frugal enough to fit on a probe but still robust enough to survive more than a few years in space.
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 1 pts · 116d
Relatedly, For All Mankind makes me sad since in that universe, the space race is still on.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 117d
not enough engineers use LSD anymore because they'll lose their entire career over it and be blacklisted from government contracts forever.
the McCarthys won.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 117d
It's not profitable
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 104 pts · 117d
RTGs are subject to the issue of half-life - this is a consequence of that type of power source. Though, let’s be honest: we do not have any other sort of power generation technology that would be viable for literal decades on an interstellar space probe. And we definitely didn’t have a better alternative when they were launched.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 76 pts · 117d
For roughly three milliseconds I thought to myself they shoulda used solar panels instead.
"Oh, wait...."
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 117d
Well they could power a lamp that shines on the solar panels.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 71 pts · 117d
GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 117d
This photo was taken after Voyager was launched, NASA didn’t have the technology yet
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
Use the heat from the lamp to boil some water and you're in business.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 117d
Just use two of them!
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 94 pts · 117d
NASA's Voyager engineers are like the final evolution of your uncle that keeps his 1974 Chevy C/K running at 400,000 miles. It's the same autism across an ocean of resources.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 117d
Actually basically yes. NASA has had decades of practice at minimum viable operation capability, making their spacecraft and rovers all but drag themselves along even when anything else would stop working.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 117d
Monstrosity@lemmy.today · 48 pts · 117d
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 117d
It is amazing they can detect and communicate to something with such a weak signal so far away.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 117d
So far away that it takes an entire day to get the signal to it. The earth to the sun is 8 minutes.
And somehow we can still talk to it. It's amazing.
Pman@lemmy.org · 23 pts · 117d
About 1/3 of a % of a lightyear that's hardcore that we've gotten something out that far.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 117d
It also gives you an idea of how big space is. Lots and lots of nothing.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 10 pts · 117d
This, coupled with the improbable idea that it could be "found" someday, has got to be one of the most exciting and magical concepts in science ever
1-2 day ETA for an interstellar telegram lol
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 117d
I was actually looking into this a little bit recently and it turns out the Voyager spacecraft launched with 23 watt radio transmitters but at the distance it takes a 72 meter dish to capture the signal and at its capture it is one attowatt. I don't remember my system right offhand, but it's something like a billionth of a billionth of a watt. It's stupidly small.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 37 pts · 117d
Only 49 years!
Enshitification.
doenietzomoeilijk@discuss.tchncs.de · 16 pts · 116d
Doesn't even run Outlook, let alone two. Pathetic.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 116d
At least they got that part right. It runs Pine.
uenticx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 115d
Mutt was too much.
HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 117d
This is so fuking cool
I am filled with pride that we collectively made something that will likely out live our sun, and we continue to find ingenious ways to keep it going and going
What a cool time to be alive
nuachtan@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 117d
I remember when both Voyagers were making their fly bys. We'd get a bunch of images in magazines and stuff, and then wait several more years for the next planet. Between that and the Space Shuttle flights it was awesome.
I wasn't around for the moon landings so Skylab and Voyager were the highlights of my days.
kamen@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 116d
It's quite a feat of engineering to have something run this long - and without having physical access to it.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 24 pts · 117d
Here are Images Voyager Took.
I have no idea how to sort them by recency; I'm guessing it's not sending such expensive data anymore, but what are the most recent (and furthest) images?
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 117d
Uhhh... how the fuck are you planning on recovering it?
Taleya@aussie.zone · 35 pts · 117d
Really long stick
Zacryon@feddit.org · 6 pts · 117d
New Hobby unlocked: Skyfishing
dhork@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 117d
I think what they mean is that if the thing starts shutting stuff down on its own, the process to get those things started again is tedious. While if the humans tell it to shut things down, it is all more orderly.
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 117d
Jumper cables.
Makes me wonder how the jumper cables guy is doing.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 117d
That bit confused me as well. I'm thinking in case the launch and deployment failed, they could get it back much more easily
mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 117d
This thing launched 50 years ago, it and it's sister probe are farther from earth than anything else by multiple orders of magnitude, they're literally outside the sun's influence. We obviously aren't getting them back so recovery must mean recovery to an operational state
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 117d
It's bound to get bored out there, miss us all so much, and turn around at some point, like my dad. Just give it time.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 2 pts · 117d
Hahaha I said the same thing
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 117d
When is the next conjunction of planets that enabled the Voyager missions happening and are we preparing for it?
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 117d
The Voyager mission launched in 1977. If I recall correctly, it takes roughly 80 years for the planets to realign for that purpose. If I didn't misremember, we're about halfway through waiting.
dhork@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 117d
A bit more than halfway, although sometimes I am shocked by how long ago 1977 was. Wasn't it just, like, 30 years ago or so?
It can't possibly be 49 years ago, can it?
victorz@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 117d
2026 is to 1977 like 1977 is to 1928. 🫣
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
2026:1985 = 1985:1944
:(
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
1985 is your birth year or where does that come in?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
Yep. I was just applying the same calculation to my birth year. I'm practically a WWII vet. :(
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 12 pts · 117d
Tick tock, unfortunately.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 117d
The clock ran out years ago. They have been building bridges to New clocks for decades. But yes. Soon it will die, only propelled forward into nothingness and loneliness forever.
troglodytis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
Only delusion separates us from the same
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 117d
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 7 pts · 117d
Thanks for the uplifting news!
HubertManne@piefed.social · 5 pts · 117d
would be great to have some solar that would power a beacon or something if it ever entered another star system.
Somecall_metim@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 117d
Radiation and cold would have killed any electronics long before it would get to another system. And with the electronics dead, nothing would be able to tell the beacon to activate.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 117d
it would destroy them so when heated and energized they would not work?
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 117d
Is there radiation between stars? I'm sure it's cold tho.
cynar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 117d
Plenty. Unfortunately it's mostly the nasty damaging kind, rather than the sort that can be turned into power. It also doesn't take much damage to add up, when you're dealing with large millennia time scales.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
The damaging kind necessarily carries enough energy to cause damage, what's preventing it from being harvested?
cynar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 116d
Imagine you have a paper balloon setup. It randomly takes hits from a high powered rifle. In theory, you could harvest the energy. However, it's delivered in such powerful, random bursts that capturing it is difficult.
Gamma rays punch straight through the structure of the craft. The actual energy is small (around 1/1,000,000 of a joule), but it's so focused that it damages anything it hits. If it hits the atoms in a transistor, that transistor gets ripped up at an atomic level.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 117d
Wait does solar power work with other suns? Or just our sun (Sol)? Or just yellow dwarf suns?
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 117d
Dawg you can shine a lightbulb at a solar panel and it'll generate electricity. Them shits don't care, a photon's a photon
frongt@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 117d
Yes and no. Photons is photons, but solar panels do have varying efficiency by light wavelengths, called spectral response.
fox2263@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
Are solar panels like superman?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 117d
Weak to kryptonite?
nexguy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
Unable to fly if a kitten steps on its cape?
HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 117d
as @zalgotext@sh.itjust.works said. it should depend a bit on how its made. there have been things about making panels that would absorb frequencies we have at night. There are trade offs. I was under the impression that the reason plants are green is because they specialize on the red side which is more prevalent and then the blue because its the most energetic or something. Also I was under the impression most stars look basically white but the color thing is based on spectrums that predominate but like when you look at the sun it looks white and even a red star would look mostly whitish.
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -13 pts · 117d
One would think we should just ship it some upgraded parts on a door dash rocket, since we presumably have far better technology now.
No? No? Oh well I guess the USA is not that great then,
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 117d
The problem is that you're not just sending parts out there. You have to:
At that point we could just launch a whole new satellite with better hardware, going faster, and covering a completely different area of space. Which is what we have done. But we can still make use of the system we have out there. It's still the furthest out, so it's still worth using for as long as we can
nexguy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
We haven't sent anything away from the sun faster than Voyager 1. It's still the fastest.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 117d
Isn't a major challenge of trying to surpass Voyager 1 that it had extremely good conditions for slingshotting off a lot of planets?
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 117d
Yes, although we have ion thrusters now, so theoretically we could use something like that to get something going very fast over a long time. A little acceleration constantly over a long time goes a long way.
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 115d
That's a fair point. And I hear the transmissions they send and receive are making even scientific appliances from the 90s onwards look like bitches. My math might be far off but isn't a transmissions from the Voyager currently reaching us at a power about six orders of magnitude lower than a pin falling on the ground? And the dishes still catch them.
("In space no one can hear you scream" my ass)
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 114d
In space we can hear you scream, a long time later, and very very quietly.
garbage_world@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d