Absolutely

That wouldn't be "wearing whatever she wants" but "wearing it because she thinks she has to".

I had a friend who would wear one whenever she didn't feel like doing her hair.

All the women I've been friends with who've worn a hijab did it in part out of faith and in part to free themselves of the male gaze. Not the gaze of Muslim men, but of men in general. All made the choice to start wearing it on their own, as adults, and most of them eventually stopped wearing it. These were all college educated women.

I can't speak from a Muslim perspective, but I can speak from an ex-christian fundamentalist perspective and I think that sometimes, even when we've made progress it can be hard to let go of some of the beliefs that direct affect you.

I stopped being a Christian when I became an adult but when I got pregnant I still held tightly to the belief that abortion was murder. I felt it was fine for others to go and do because we all have the right to choose what we do with our bodies, I knew women who'd had abortions, and I never once thought I would go to hell for it, but after a lifetime of conditioning it just felt wrong for me to do. Now I wouldn't hesitate to get an abortion if I needed one.

Even when one has unpacked the luggage, it can take some time to reorganize it all and discard what you don't need.

I know, there are oppressive reasons the majority of women that wear hijabs in certain places do it for. But if it's in America for example, and not because of her family you don't really know enough about her beliefs about herself to really question it either tbh. She is probably hated for wearing it when she doesn't have to.

It's Threads, the entire social network dedicated to rage baiters responding to other rage baiters.

And invalidating a woman's feminism because she wears a hijab is a tool of the patriarchy. That is the point.

Not to mention the most often have to under threat of death. If a feminist chooses to wear one it is the single most absurd garment to wear.

Well, I'm glad you're here to tell us how women feel. For a moment there I thought I might have had to listen to a woman's opinion.

Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.

And you, most likely a man, dictating what women do or don't do out of free will is what? Oh wait, it sounds not only inherently patriarchal and misogynistic, but also absolutely western centric and islamophobic.

Now all you have to do is to tell me that you want to see their beautiful hair, and their nice figure, and we have a bingo.

Lemmite militant Atheist ahh comment.

What you say is generally true, however it is not always true. Some women have successfully been deceived (possibly by themselves) that it is not about oppression.

Don't you just wake up someday and want to wear an oppression symbol like a kkk hood or a noose around your neck? Isn't that just empowering? /s

Or even other women made you think you must wear it.

Same thing applied to women pressed into convents vs nuns. Or someone ordered into a long skirt vs choosing. The issue is choice, as it always is.

Then she isn't wearing whatever she wants.

Why do you think style changes over time, and has accelerated with television and advertisements? We are all being made to buy and wear something, be it to follow the advertisement "this is the must to wear of the season", or to oppose consumerism.

So if we can now agree that there is no real free choice, and every choice is to some degree influenced by patriarchy, where do we stand? Does feminism even exist? Or is feminism less about what you wear, and more about how you feel about patriarchy?

Nothing is more reliable than posting about women's autonomy then to have men come doubt if she is even capable of making such a choice.

Clearly some men understand the effects of patriarchy on women far greater than a woman ever could. 🙄

Oh but you see, brown women are all helpless brainwashed babies incapable of making their own decisions!

It targets Muslim women because we already (for the most part) dealt with the Christians.

If you want to live in a religious shithole like Germany or the USA go for it, no one stops you.

It's Threads - it's just bots/trolls rage baiting bots/trolls

Now do Canada. France. Germany. Spain. You know, just four of the dozens of countries with people who might wear a hijab.

It is intellectually dishonest to hold up the edge cases and claim that's the entirety. It kind of undermines your credibility.

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Ah. Looking at your mod log you had no credibility to undermine in the first place.

Also:

Oh, look, people! ANOTHER Redcap guy lowering himself to tell us what's what! This never gets tedious and boring.

Oh no, people might have opinions! Learn to curate your feed.

What the hell is this bad faith argument. You think every single women wearing a hijab is either forced and may be afraid of removing it if she decide too?

Oh look, people! A Redcap guy has graced us with his presence.

As a male and a man ...

... I want to talk here where I'm specifically not welcome to talk because my being a man means my voice simply must be heard.

Hi Kali thanks so much for stopping by! We're a trans inclusive women only community and ask men don't comment thanks for understanding 🥰

Does it protect you from being molested by thirsty guys?

Ah yes. A song that consists 80% of repeating the word "burka" is absolutely relevant here. Thank you for sharing this extremely useful contribution.

Gratuitous mention of edge case.

Derailing or not?

::: spoiler spoiler Yes. :::

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People do dumb things and act against what's best for them all the time.

The answer is not to police the clothing. That's a symptom of problems, not the cause. What you can do is to inform and hopefully change the attitudes.

Religion has often been made to coexist with secular values. Meanwhile, people support shit politics out of ignorance and pressure.

What about obvious troll being obvious?

I would have worn the second one when I was a chef.