Expecting driverless taxis to respect bike lanes “too high a bar” – because customers want to be dropped off in them, autonomous vehicle firm Waymo tells cyclists
https://road.cc/news/driverless-taxis-veering-into-cycle-lanes-normal-practice-says-waymo
38 Comments
artyom@piefed.social · 127 pts · 117d
This reminds me of the old "we can't exist without copyright theft" defense from AI companies. Okay, well, maybe you shouldn't exist?
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 64 pts · 117d
Breaking laws as a business model is how a lot of companies started, look at Uber and AirBnB for example. They even have a name for this, they call it "disruption".
jtrek@startrek.website · 12 pts · 117d
I really would prefer our laws had teeth and the leadership of Airbnb and uber had had their lives ruined.
MacAnus@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 117d
Yup, these two illustrate pretty well why those laws are important
vandsjov@feddit.dk · 4 pts · 116d
Uber was kicked out of Denmark for not driving with a Taxi licence and not following the rules. Now they are back in Denmark by buying an existing taxi company.
fun_times@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 116d
Copying is not theft. "Copyright" is actually a privilege, a copy monopoly. Its original length of 10 years was a reasonable compromise between the right to freely share culture and the desire for artists to be able to live off of the incomes of their work. The current "70 years after creator's death" is absurd and oppressive.
The real problem is that AI companies copyright/monopolize the things they copied.
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 116d
What are you even talking about? The real problem is that the AI companies are not being held accountable for breaking the law. Who cares what the original implementation of copyright law was? Why do AI companies get to play by different rules (hint capitalism)
ranzispa@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 115d
The main objective of free software is to destroy copyright. To be fair, AI did a lot more than Stallman and the GPL license in that regard.
Wooki@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 116d
Recycle the metals
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 89 pts · 117d
Well, in Germany the cyclists would have the law 100% on their side and win every case.
And if it is done deliberately (repeatedly), then the car's operator is in the area of criminal law.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 52 pts · 117d
Likewise in the Netherlands, because our laws are still sane.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 117d
Difference is that in the Netherlands you will barely come near a car when cycling. Germany‘s cycling lanes on the other hand are barely distinguishable from the road.
Bababasti@feddit.org · 9 pts · 117d
What do you mean, a few dots of white paint on a four lane road is perfectly fine cycling infrastructure!? ^/s^
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 30 pts · 117d
In Germany, someone would snap pictures to write a ticket before they even got out of the car and I'm all here for it. Sometimes being petty is exactly what we need.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 5 pts · 116d
Not really. Parking in the bike lane is common to avoid blocking the road.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 4 pts · 116d
But it shouldn't be
Gladaed@feddit.org · 4 pts · 116d
You claim something that is wrong from my lived reality in said country. I never claimed it was good.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 2 pts · 116d
But it's true from my lived reality.
Sei die Änderung, die du in der Welt sehen möchtest.
Gladaed@feddit.org · 1 pts · 116d
Deine Tatsachenbehauptung ist trotzdem falsch. Und wir sollten uns keine Fantasierealität vorgaukeln.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 1 pts · 116d
Wenn es bei dir nicht so ist, solltest du eventuell nicht von dir auf alle schließen.
Aber easy, ich habe ehrlich gesagt sowieso keinen Bock, mich zu streiten. Lassen wir es einfach dabei.
vandsjov@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 115d
Like cars parking and covering most of the foot path. So they block less of the road, when in reality, most of the time they cause the same kind of blockage (only one car can now pass instead of two) as if they parked fully on the road. But now prams and other “wide” pedestrians needs to go onto the road.
DonPiano@feddit.org · 3 pts · 117d
Law on their side: probably Winning cases: aus Mangel öffentlichen Interesses eingestellt..
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 2 pts · 117d
Not possible when somebody has been seriously injured.
skami@lemmy.ml · 42 pts · 117d
Just like how youtuber "not just bikes" said it would be, cities would be much better improving public transportation than complying with whatever big tech companies tell em to do
artyom@piefed.social · 18 pts · 117d
I work near a Waymo station and they have ~5 cars per minute just wandering around the parking lot there. They have zero business there. Just driving aimlessly.
skami@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 117d
I knew this would happen but didn't though it was happening right now, I think if cities or entire countries won't do anything bout it right now then as time passes this cars will much more than 5, also I genuinely think in the future they could program this cars specifically for them to get in a public transport way so it will slow down and more people will go with waymo or whatever
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 9 pts · 117d
You should set up a webcam and a continuous stream on youtube :-)
artyom@piefed.social · 8 pts · 117d
LOL there's no internet. But I can film a timelapse.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 117d
Especially considering big tech companies are unelected, whereas cities' governments are elected.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 4 pts · 117d
...by big tech (just sometimes (hopefully))
Nomecks@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 117d
They make a perfect bike accessory for this problem:
Jhex@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 117d
I hope the reply from Europe was rolling on the floor laughing at Waymo as they pointed them back to Murica with their shitty tech
87Six@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 116d
I can't wait for someone to invent some tool that allows me to fry the brain of every Waymo that I drive by
Zephorah@discuss.online · 13 pts · 117d
So Waymo is basically saying, get rid of bike lanes or we will kill and maim bicyclists. Or don’t and we’ll just start the killing and maiming.
jtrek@startrek.website · 5 pts · 117d
Jury nullification is still a thing. If someone smashed up some waymo property, find them not guilty.
nautevenkidding@feddit.org · 2 pts · 116d
Is it in the UK? Not sure how their jury system is set up. Fwiw, other western european justice systems use civil law and don't do juries, so it is not a thing there.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 116d
So at this moment these taxis has drivers, but eventually they will be driverless and be priced "competitively, but premium". They cut out the driver's wagen and charge more?
Gladaed@feddit.org · -5 pts · 116d
They are right in the sense that I expect other cab companies to do the same.
You need to push against the industry, not be fueled by AI hate when an issue is mostly independent.