South Korean ambulances cannot move a patient to an ER without the receiving hospital’s approval.
Refusals have grown more frequent in recent years, driven by chronic staff shortages and the medical staff’s fear of criminal charges if a patient dies in their care. Doctors in South Korea are prosecuted for medical negligence at higher rates than those in other developed countries, according to multiple studies.
That was a depressing watch. As an American I see this on a larger scale happening here. Well the oligarchs that want to run the US want a dumb neo-slave population.
Deeper than fucked up laws, the fact that you can’t just point at a situation where the law isn’t working and say we should handle it differently, because that’s illegal, and you have to jump through hoops and grow old waiting to get the law slightly improved.
that sounds horrible. in the country where i am from even a person who gives you the first aid cannot be possibly prosecuted as long as they give it their best shot at helping you, even if they would end up ultimately harming you (for example they try to stop a bleeding after a car accident and mess up your broken spine when moving you).
So I live in South Korea. The medical system here is heavily subsidized and socialized. This makes it very cheap and (mostly) accessible, but the downside is the bureaucracy that comes with that. It is also a very litigious culture, which makes it worse. Doctors here are extremely wary to prescribe anything too strong, and they communicate very little with the patients. It's just, "Trust me, I'm a doctor." And of course the neo-confucian mindset is also very strong here, with all the rigid hierarchy that comes with it.
Neo-confucianism is a broad term for a loose collection of philosophical ideas influenced by or based on the writings of Confucius, the Chinese philosopher. It strongly influenced the development of Korean society, and it was the official state ideology at one point. It is still very prevalent, although not always expressed explicitly.
This is such an interesting answer. It's accurate and very detailed requiring work and research, yet provides absolutely no useful information relevant to the thread and context in which it appears. I'm so curious how it came to be.
Your comment is also lacking in useful information, but with the added flair of entitled condescension.
No one here owes you anything. You're on the internet. If you want information, look it up yourself instead of whinging on about how someone else didn't do the job for you.
Neo-confucianism is a broad term for a loose collection of philosophical ideas influenced by or based on the writings of Confucius
It refers to Confucianism as it was revived during and after the Song dynasty (성리학). In the case of Korea, it typically refers to the orthodoxy that traces its heritage back to Confucius through Zhuxi, the Cheng brothers, and Mencius.
Also not to be confused with New Confucianism, which is a modern Chinese development of Confucianism.
I'm just gonna take it as: people are confident in a belief system that is strongly heiarchial, and therefore can just tell you to fuck off.
...Which, to my brief reading of the neo-c and normal-c Wikipedia entries.... Feels antithetical to what I read. But a lot of it seems to just explicitly go against Buddhist and Taoist teachings, and I don't have the patience to read any more old Chinese philosophy in this context to just understand why the doctors would turn somebody pregnant away.
Yeah, Japan is similar to this as well. I've had positive experiences all around, but I know some who have not (especially with corona which really worried me for how prepared we are).
The medical system here in Korea has the full spectrum of convenient and affordable treatment to almost comically broken policies like the ones this article mentions. Even so, it is overall still so much better than healthcare in the US (I know that is a low bar, but the contrast is stark).
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plantsmakemehappy@lemmy.zip · 120 pts · 138d
victorz@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 137d
Sounds like a super toxic medical system, wtf
StillAlive@piefed.world · 49 pts · 137d
South Korea sounds toxic in general tbh.
WongKaKui@piefed.ca · 25 pts · 137d
Two dystopias in one peninsula 💀
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 18 pts · 137d
I'd consider it a genuine cyberpunk dystopia society at this point.
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 137d
That was a depressing watch. As an American I see this on a larger scale happening here. Well the oligarchs that want to run the US want a dumb neo-slave population.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 137d
Yeah, that sounds awful. And I bet the doctors and nurses are paid like shit, too.
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
Riiight.
Well, nurses are paid like shit here in Sweden. But doctors, not so much.
qevlarr@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 137d
How is denying patients not medical negligence as well
Jtotheb@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
Laws built up and based upon themselves with the written rules stealing power from our own common sense and morality
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 137d
Basically: fucked up laws
Jtotheb@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
Deeper than fucked up laws, the fact that you can’t just point at a situation where the law isn’t working and say we should handle it differently, because that’s illegal, and you have to jump through hoops and grow old waiting to get the law slightly improved.
grepe@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 137d
that sounds horrible. in the country where i am from even a person who gives you the first aid cannot be possibly prosecuted as long as they give it their best shot at helping you, even if they would end up ultimately harming you (for example they try to stop a bleeding after a car accident and mess up your broken spine when moving you).
justsomeguy@lemmy.world · 95 pts · 138d
South Korea's commitment to speed running their population collapse is impressive.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 137d
probably 1 of thier reason of a larger problem.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 137d
so many epic speedrun techs
Maerman@lemmy.world · 74 pts · 137d
So I live in South Korea. The medical system here is heavily subsidized and socialized. This makes it very cheap and (mostly) accessible, but the downside is the bureaucracy that comes with that. It is also a very litigious culture, which makes it worse. Doctors here are extremely wary to prescribe anything too strong, and they communicate very little with the patients. It's just, "Trust me, I'm a doctor." And of course the neo-confucian mindset is also very strong here, with all the rigid hierarchy that comes with it.
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 137d
Neo-confucian?
Maerman@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 137d
Neo-confucianism is a broad term for a loose collection of philosophical ideas influenced by or based on the writings of Confucius, the Chinese philosopher. It strongly influenced the development of Korean society, and it was the official state ideology at one point. It is still very prevalent, although not always expressed explicitly.
cornshark@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 137d
This is such an interesting answer. It's accurate and very detailed requiring work and research, yet provides absolutely no useful information relevant to the thread and context in which it appears. I'm so curious how it came to be.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 137d
Your comment is also lacking in useful information, but with the added flair of entitled condescension.
No one here owes you anything. You're on the internet. If you want information, look it up yourself instead of whinging on about how someone else didn't do the job for you.
giraffes@kbin.earth · 12 pts · 137d
It refers to Confucianism as it was revived during and after the Song dynasty (성리학). In the case of Korea, it typically refers to the orthodoxy that traces its heritage back to Confucius through Zhuxi, the Cheng brothers, and Mencius.
Also not to be confused with New Confucianism, which is a modern Chinese development of Confucianism.
thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 137d
so like... what do they believe? what IS the ideology? like the actual ideas.
MediumGray@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 137d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Confucianism
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 137d
I'm just gonna take it as: people are confident in a belief system that is strongly heiarchial, and therefore can just tell you to fuck off.
...Which, to my brief reading of the neo-c and normal-c Wikipedia entries.... Feels antithetical to what I read. But a lot of it seems to just explicitly go against Buddhist and Taoist teachings, and I don't have the patience to read any more old Chinese philosophy in this context to just understand why the doctors would turn somebody pregnant away.
poopkins@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
Of course!
Gonzako@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 137d
Its a question more asking about what neo confucian means here
poopkins@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
I'm as clueless as you, and I'm just poking fun at the use of "of course" to mention it in original comment.
mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
Thomas A. Anderson-Confucius
farmgineer@nord.pub · 13 pts · 137d
Yeah, Japan is similar to this as well. I've had positive experiences all around, but I know some who have not (especially with corona which really worried me for how prepared we are).
giraffes@kbin.earth · 27 pts · 137d
The medical system here in Korea has the full spectrum of convenient and affordable treatment to almost comically broken policies like the ones this article mentions. Even so, it is overall still so much better than healthcare in the US (I know that is a low bar, but the contrast is stark).
outandinburger@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 135d