This is a panic move. I predict that the Gaza genocide; the Iran War; along with allowing support for Israel to become a partisan issue, will go down as the biggest mistakes in Israeli history.
Even if you don't care about dead Arabs, you can draw a direct line between Israel and $5 gas. American support for Israel is low and dropping. It's not just the anti-Semites and far-left who oppose Israel anymore.
Israel was a fucking mistake. I'm not anti-semetic. I'm anti-Israel. I have no problem with Jews. I have a problem with a genocidal, land-stealing dictatorship mascarading as a cruisading democracy that has no value on human life. Fuck Israel.
israel was able to convince many instituitions int he western democracies that anti-zionism is anti-semetic, Universities has been quashing dissent since.
Not a single institute and western leaders believes antizionism is antisemetic. They willingfully support a genocidal state that they always knew it's nature
they went hard on reddit, Worldnews was taken over by them overnight, plus they start spreading it to like r/pics as biden is sole cause (stop voting for him) propaganda, i was able to report those and they did get banned for a while. funny how that immediately disappeared the moment the election ended, no word of them condemning trump for the same thing.
it was originally largely targeting harris/biden campaign, i guess they never stopped, because they thought showing it would give them continued support.
Is this budget for convincing the general public to support them, or convincing US politicians? Because if it’s the former I don’t see it working or anyone believing the lies. Bloomberg tried something similar to get into the democratic primary and I’m pretty sure he failed spectacularly.
But I’d bet it’s the latter, and I let buying US politicians will continue to be successful. Because if both republicans and democrats support Israel, even if the public hates them who else is there to vote for?
$730 million for public diplomacy — the broad category known in Hebrew as hasbara — nearly five times the $150 million they allocated the year before.
Hasbara is about changing perception of the general public. The only reason we see some shift in government officials changing their course is because of how toxic support from Israel is seen (so much so that they can lose elections because of it).
So long as Israel can perform public advocacy to at least get to a place of neutral outlook (or become a sideline topic), then they'd have achieved their goals.
Israel's current stated goal is to increase Arab-phobia and Islamophobia through populism and anti-immigration rhetoric to be greater than people's disdain for Israel.
3rd parties, independents, just not voting period, there are a lot of options... we're too far gone now though, no matter what we need to fully destroy and rebuild our government from the constitution up.
Every time an election comes up though, everyone is like “we need to vote for the democrats because third party/not voting is ‘a vote for the republicans’” and sadly I have to admit due to how first past the post elections work they do have a point. So any individual voting for anything other than a democrat (or not voting) makes it less likely the democrats win and more likely republicans win, and they’re by far the worse option (and still pro Israel).
Maybe Israel’s propaganda is to dissuade people from voting for anti-Israel politicians in the primaries and the like, rather than directly make them look good.
In your hypothetical you stated that every voter was over both parties. If that were the case then any candidate outside of our 2 established right wing parties would win. But yes in reality we are too stupid to do literally anything else besides let the nepo babies and most malignant of our species control everything with 0 repercussions, been like that since the day we developed speech and human societies and it will remain so until we are no more. We are the species with the least ability to learn apparently, even with all the new tools we constantly develop to help us we are doomed to repeat the exact same mistakes for the entirety of our existence.
That involves bags of money delivered via AIPAC and, shall we say, more informal means. That has been a long-term and extraordinarily successful effort.
$730 million for public diplomacy [is] nearly five times the $150 million they allocated the year before. That earlier sum was itself about 20 times what Israel had spent on such efforts before the war in Gaza erupted in October, 2023, following Hamas’s invasion and massacre in southern Israel.
So 2023 was about 75 million, and they're about 10x the budget they were a few years ago.
survey after survey shows declining support for Israel in the United States, its most important ally. [...] 60 percent of Americans now view Israel unfavorably, up seven points in a single year, with only 37% viewing it favorably. [...] 57% of Republicans under 50 hold negative views of Israel. Support has cratered among the religiously unaffiliated, Black Protestants and Catholics. Among American Jews, support has slipped below two-thirds.
I would rather have healthcare for all Americans before sending another tax payer cent to those genocidal maniacs. Stop sending money and arms to Israel full stop!
Netenyahu is not the real problem. The problem is zionism the supermasist genocidal ideology that all israeli prime ministers before him had. Every single iarseli prime minister is a war criminal that would have done the same as Netenyahu after October 7.
Reminds me of the most popular intelectual property and celebrities has the biggest ad compaign despite not needing it. Same here , israel proved that they can get away with full blown genocide with minimal pressure
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shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works · 59 pts · 132d
yesman@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 132d
This is a panic move. I predict that the Gaza genocide; the Iran War; along with allowing support for Israel to become a partisan issue, will go down as the biggest mistakes in Israeli history.
Even if you don't care about dead Arabs, you can draw a direct line between Israel and $5 gas. American support for Israel is low and dropping. It's not just the anti-Semites and far-left who oppose Israel anymore.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 132d
And I don't think the war and $5 gas are fully reflected in these opinion surveys quite yet.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 131d
even more so since it also involves why they are doing gaza, iran war, to distract from epstein files.
badbytes@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d
Should look up the length of Gaza genocide. It's not a recent issue. Goes back a bit.
MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 38 pts · 132d
No amount of lipstick can make an ugly as fuck genocide to away.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 131d
Israel was a fucking mistake. I'm not anti-semetic. I'm anti-Israel. I have no problem with Jews. I have a problem with a genocidal, land-stealing dictatorship mascarading as a cruisading democracy that has no value on human life. Fuck Israel.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 131d
Well it was such a great idea when puritans did it we thought “why the hell not?”
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 131d
Why are you a Nazi? Why do you hate Jews so much?
/S
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d
The common reaction on my book would be "are you denying the right to exist of the state of israel?" As if that would be the highest unforgovable sin
States dont have a right to nothing.
rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 132d
Ngl, Israeli propaganda used to be a lot more subtle. Now it's like they don't even bother trying. They've lost their way.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 132d
It's like they're hellbent on living out the antisemitic stereotypes. It's getting difficult to fight antisemitism outside of Israel.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 131d
I don't see a lot of anti-semitism aside from fringe internet forums. Anti Zionism is pretty popular though.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 131d
israel was able to convince many instituitions int he western democracies that anti-zionism is anti-semetic, Universities has been quashing dissent since.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 131d
Not a single institute and western leaders believes antizionism is antisemetic. They willingfully support a genocidal state that they always knew it's nature
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 131d
they went hard on reddit, Worldnews was taken over by them overnight, plus they start spreading it to like r/pics as biden is sole cause (stop voting for him) propaganda, i was able to report those and they did get banned for a while. funny how that immediately disappeared the moment the election ended, no word of them condemning trump for the same thing.
frongt@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 131d
They found they don't have to be subtle.
Wfh@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 132d
How much of that will be dedicated to buying votes at Eurovision?
daannii@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 132d
Remember how just like 3 years ago it was super rare to see videos of people being murdered in broad daylight on common social media platforms. ?
If you wanted to see that dark shit you had to go to dark places online to find it.
Now it's every day I see a video on Instagram of someone murdered in broad daylight.
The u.s president even posted such a video.
But the videos I see every day...
Yeah Most of the time it is IDF killing a civilian.
Some innocent person. Sometimes a child.
No coming back from that. We all have seen it now.
We all know. We ain't gonna un-know.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 131d
it was originally largely targeting harris/biden campaign, i guess they never stopped, because they thought showing it would give them continued support.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 132d
Oh yeah, I totally see that working. People will immediately overlook the genocide because of a funny ad somewhere
knexcar@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 131d
Is this budget for convincing the general public to support them, or convincing US politicians? Because if it’s the former I don’t see it working or anyone believing the lies. Bloomberg tried something similar to get into the democratic primary and I’m pretty sure he failed spectacularly.
But I’d bet it’s the latter, and I let buying US politicians will continue to be successful. Because if both republicans and democrats support Israel, even if the public hates them who else is there to vote for?
Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 131d
It's definitely for the former
Hasbara is about changing perception of the general public. The only reason we see some shift in government officials changing their course is because of how toxic support from Israel is seen (so much so that they can lose elections because of it).
So long as Israel can perform public advocacy to at least get to a place of neutral outlook (or become a sideline topic), then they'd have achieved their goals.
Israel's current stated goal is to increase Arab-phobia and Islamophobia through populism and anti-immigration rhetoric to be greater than people's disdain for Israel.
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 131d
3rd parties, independents, just not voting period, there are a lot of options... we're too far gone now though, no matter what we need to fully destroy and rebuild our government from the constitution up.
knexcar@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 131d
Every time an election comes up though, everyone is like “we need to vote for the democrats because third party/not voting is ‘a vote for the republicans’” and sadly I have to admit due to how first past the post elections work they do have a point. So any individual voting for anything other than a democrat (or not voting) makes it less likely the democrats win and more likely republicans win, and they’re by far the worse option (and still pro Israel).
Maybe Israel’s propaganda is to dissuade people from voting for anti-Israel politicians in the primaries and the like, rather than directly make them look good.
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 131d
In your hypothetical you stated that every voter was over both parties. If that were the case then any candidate outside of our 2 established right wing parties would win. But yes in reality we are too stupid to do literally anything else besides let the nepo babies and most malignant of our species control everything with 0 repercussions, been like that since the day we developed speech and human societies and it will remain so until we are no more. We are the species with the least ability to learn apparently, even with all the new tools we constantly develop to help us we are doomed to repeat the exact same mistakes for the entirety of our existence.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 130d
That involves bags of money delivered via AIPAC and, shall we say, more informal means. That has been a long-term and extraordinarily successful effort.
aramis87@fedia.io · 12 pts · 132d
So 2023 was about 75 million, and they're about 10x the budget they were a few years ago.
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 132d
Why would they say that? It's been working for decades.
aramis87@fedia.io · 11 pts · 132d
As the article says
You might also want to read the essay on the thermocline of trust.
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 132d
That was always the obvious argument to be made. Just not sure how true it is with how many people still support Israel.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 132d
Probably because its still less than their genocide budget
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 131d
they had to pay google as of recently to spread propaganda there.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 131d
If your country has a budget for PR and it’s not for tourism…..dude
sportsjorts@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 131d
I would rather have healthcare for all Americans before sending another tax payer cent to those genocidal maniacs. Stop sending money and arms to Israel full stop!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 131d
israel has healthcare for all, because they can afford since they dont need fund thier war machine, using USA as a proxy for all thier wars.
hark@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 131d
If people know you're a liar, lying more won't help you.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 131d
Israel is a pariah terrorist state created out of thin air by the British which displaced 700,000 people who’d lived there for centuries
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 131d
Nuh uh, god granted a piece of sun-blasted desert to special people then also created lush and verdant plains and forests elsewhere on the planet.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 131d
I will never understand the appeal that place has in religion. It’s such a boring ugly shit hole…
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 130d
Religion is a mental illness.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 130d
The Brits colluded, but the Zionist program started long before the Brits got involved.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 130d
They just ended fucking up the Middle East in general
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 131d
I know what Israel is: An enemy to people in general. No different from the Nazis.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 131d
I don't think Israel can recover their reputation within foreseeable future. They'd need to completely reform everything.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 131d
They need to stop colonization
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 131d
That would be step one
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 131d
Just like the US
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 131d
they need to get rid of netanyahu and his whole government first. hasnt he been in power for decades already?
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 131d
Netenyahu is not the real problem. The problem is zionism the supermasist genocidal ideology that all israeli prime ministers before him had. Every single iarseli prime minister is a war criminal that would have done the same as Netenyahu after October 7.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 131d
It feels like the opposite is actually happening. Israel is falling further and further into religious alt right every day.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 131d
Who would have thought that the lesson they would take from the Holocaust was to "Pay It Forward?"
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 130d
Sadly, that's one common reaction to trauma.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 131d
Just the announcement of the PR budget was bad PR. Not a good start.
Kepion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 132d
Imagine how many more tweets like these they can afford now
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 132d
They should probably save their energy for dealing with climate change.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 131d
No, but some folks will get rich off of United States tax payers
HubertManne@piefed.social · 3 pts · 132d
thats that include the stuff for us elections.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social · 3 pts · 131d
Nothing can be done to change the public’s perceptions of their past and ongoing atrocities since 2023.
The ones who support them are either ignorant of reality or bought and paid for.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 131d
I will forgive israel if they give me all the land they occupy. I will immediately give it to Palestine
venusaur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 132d
Social engineering is a helluva drug
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 132d
that the budget allocated for the swan song?
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 131d
Reminds me of the most popular intelectual property and celebrities has the biggest ad compaign despite not needing it. Same here , israel proved that they can get away with full blown genocide with minimal pressure