'People Enjoy Surprises' — Valve Is Trying to Dismiss New York's Counter-Strike Loot Box Lawsuit
https://www.ign.com/articles/people-enjoy-surprises-valve-is-trying-to-dismiss-new-yorks-counter-strike-loot-box-lawsuit
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Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 62 pts · 81d
Yes, they do. And when you charge for surprises that can be of varying value, what do we call that?
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 81d
Agreed, though NY should be going after everyone involved in 'Surprise Mechanics', not just Valve.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 29 pts · 81d
It's not unusual to target specific entities first to try and set a precedent. Going after everyone at once would likely spread their efforts too thin.
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 81d
Not wrong, but there are more worthy targets to go after first. Ones that have treated their customers far, far worse than Valve.
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 19 pts · 81d
Just because Valve does great things elsewhere doesn't mean Valve should get a free pass on running a 5 billion market gap gambling economy. And that's 5 billion AFTER Valve nuked 3 billion from the market. I think people don't fully comprehend how sickeningly huge the CS skin market is.
What other company operates loot boxes at the same scale as Valve?
DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 81d
I don't recall suggesting Valve getting a free pass, nor downplaying the CS skin market being an issue. What I'm saying is Valve at least turns that money to some good, unlike its contemporaries in the veiled gambling space.
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 6 pts · 81d
Saying "don't go after Valve (right now), instead go after these other bad companies I won't name" isn't giving a free pass to Valve? My bad.
And let's not act like Valve isn't raking in money. They don't need gambling money to do good.
Also
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 81d
Pokemon cards
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 81d
it's so good it's very habit forming, moreish, irresistible, if only there was a word for that
las valvus
Hond@piefed.social · 24 pts · 81d
Daily reminder that corporation arent your frens. Not even when gabe shaped.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 14 pts · 81d
Both CS and TF2 are rated M. Children shouldn't be playing them in the first place.🤷♂️
You know what, do it. Make it illegal. Fuck MTG and Pokemon card collectors. 🥳🥳🥳
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 67d
Yeah, hockey and baseball cards used to be fine, then they became speculative assets.
Now, you have YouTube videos of kids opening packs and talking about how much they're worth.
It's fucking gambling. I did some work for that industry, 80% of sales were from addicts. I'm talking about people spending thousands a week on baseball/basketball/football cards. People openly talked about it in the industry as gambling. I've personally seen the numbers.
It's fucking gambling.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 81d
I bet they'd enjoy surprises they didn't have to pay for even more.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 12 pts · 81d
Not when it's a surprise bill.
"Surprise! You owe money!"
a1studmuffin@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 81d
"But Homer, the grocery store sells sugar for a dollar a pound. And it doesn't have nails and bits of broken glass in it."
"Those are prizes"
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 81d
People also enjoy gambling. At first.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 81d
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 81d
This is their cash cow, so they'll defend it. Everything else they've done is to defend their cash cow.
0ops@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 81d
They've had lootboxes for-fucking-ever, they practically started the trend of gambling for video game skins, it's not only characteristic but integral to the corporation
halfapage@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 81d
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 81d
Is it not? Valve gets a lot of love but they are a corp at the end of the day. Their famous refund policy came about only because Australia made them.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 81d
Hiro8811@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 81d
I'm guessing it's related to cs2/tf2 ? If so why go for a company with 2 games and not EA that has eighty?
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 80d
I thought EA moved away from lootboxes once Europe started passing laws in 2017 and 2018. Isn't that why battle passes are all the rage now?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 80d
Their sports games are full of it.
Battle passes are a preferred monetization method because it forces people to play the game.
GodofLies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 81d
Great, let's get NY to regulate Polymarket and their stock market too!
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 81d
Are they struggling to keep the steam machine out of the bullshit ancillary markets before it even launches
alakey@piefed.social · 1 pts · 81d
And they already made it worse - new "cases" just go over the items 1 by 1 and give you a choice to buy each one right then and there at stupid prices. Wouldn't surprise me if this makes Valve even more of a giant in the end, because these people have absolutely no idea what they are even trying to achieve with these lawsuits.
87Six@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 81d
Okay Valve please go back to doing nothing and winning thanks
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 81d
Steam machine, steam deck, stream controller, steam frame, etc?
87Six@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 81d
You're right I was gravely mistaken I will now downvote myself XD
makeshift0546@lemmy.today · -5 pts · 81d
But guys, Gaben cares about gamers and isn't like the rest of them. They are the cool monopoly!