“We voted for Trump, not realizing that he was going to slam as hard as he did, but it was on day one when he sat down, right after inauguration, and started signing those executive orders and just trashed us federal employees, it was a kick in the teeth,” Ron said.
“That point was the beginning of my turning away from MAGA.”
“If people would just listen and research and do something other than just listen to Fox News, we may all be better off, but it's going to take an open mind and an ability to say, ‘I made a mistake,’ because once you say you made a mistake, you can turn the ship around,” said Chrissey Kelley, 50, a stay-at-home mom.
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otacon239@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 67d
Had they been lucky enough to not be affected, they would still comfortably be supporting him. These people only care once it hurts themselves. Glad they’re changing, but these should not be the conditions required.
CodingCarpenter@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 66d
Who changes without personal hardship? This kind of attitude comes off as very conceited and elitist. Just be happy people can change and move on
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 1 pts · 65d
How has Chrissey Kelley actually changed‽
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 67d
Its important to have the humility to say "well i fucked up" after experiencing the direct consequences, but - its not like they can just be forgiven so easily for what they did do
Its great they want to turn the ship around - but what are they going to really do - are they gonna be in the protest, are their eyes going to take the pepper spray, the police beatings, the masked kidnappings? Are they going to sleep on cold ground with no toiletries and blankets - uncharged in a crowded warehouse jail? Are they going to put themselves in the way of the fascists to prevent the harm they so gleefully elected?
Until they do, until they make that sacrifice, their requests for forgiveness are appreciated but not resolved.
All the ex-maga need to be on the frontline and need to take the brunt of the physical damage this administration doles out to us
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 67d
I thought I added this paragraph. They're doing stuff, probably not enough, but they're doing stuff.
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 67d
Thanks, i tried reading the article but the paywall blocked me after the first couple paragraphs
Its great theyre trying to inspire others, but they should really inspire themselves to be more than words
Nobody wants to fight the government, the government fights dirty and brutally - it should be these repenant people exactly to volunteer and accept the brunt of the abuse they voted for.
Dont say sorry, be the person who takes a rubber bullet to the eye instead of a teenager who's parent got disappeared and who dosent know where the next meal is coming from or how rents going to get paid and has nothing left to lose. They need to take the pain, not our most vulnerable.
The messed up part, if ex-maga is at the vanguard, the fascists probably wouldnt even be that cruel to them.
RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 67d
"We could excuse the kiddie diddling, but five bucks a gallon is where we draw the line!"
Ya naw, fuck off
Kyle@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 67d
For once, I'd like to see one of these people say they no longer support MAGA or anything close to that because they woke up and developed empathy for other people.
Every time it's "oh, it finally affected me from getting mine, so now I don't like it."
They didn't drastically change their values. These people are still ripe for the next grift that comes along.
saimen@feddit.org · 8 pts · 66d
Quotation: Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 66d
Meanwhile the MAGAts are out there worshipping Charlie Kirk when he said:
Zeppo@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 66d
Elron Musk also said
Kyle@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 66d
Sometimes I like to think what strong and primary values a "perfect" (within possibility) society would have. And the main answer I come up with is empathy. Empathy first, then a strong rejection of lies, misinformation and superstition and a high value for truth and authenticity.
I remember reading about self aware psychopaths that were raised in an environment where empathy was valued more than anything. So they consciously choose prosocial behavior not out of felt empathy, but out of rational self-interest. Knowing that prosocial behavior is most beneficial framework to live in. Therefore they choose it.
I think I know some people like this. They are predisposed to steamroll people, but all they read is about how to be kind and ethical, how to take care of their staff. The have ended up being one of the kindest people I know but I can tell it's from a lot of learning and work to become that way.
EatYourOrach@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 66d
What was that about the next grift?
Neat trivia: if you go to their joint "leaving maga" testimonial page, Chrissey admits to having been an illegal migrant worker in 2001 and 2003. Went to China as a Christian missionary under the guise of "teaching English," which absolutely violated the terms of her VISA, which makes her an illegal migrant worker. Not that they'd ever see it that way. Just no self awareness...
For all their claims of ignorant innocence ("We were lied to," “I was clueless,” "It's not the end of the world," “It’s okay to be wrong”), Evangelists are always right.
... then again, maybe there's hope for them too. They just desperately need to decentre themselves. Like this guy has:
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 66d
Getting them to admit to being "woke" is going to be a tall order.
Kyle@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 66d
I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone who hates some, understands it means they "woke up".
The word has become so twisted to them I feel safe in saying "wake up" and having them never draw any similarities to "woke". But would be interested in seeing them notice that.
Zeppo@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 66d
Ah yes, as a Federal employee, why don't I vote for the party that constantly says they want to reduce the federal government, or as Bannon says, "tear down the administrative state". Wow I am surprised. What fucking morons. I really doubt whether all of a sudden they're intelligent and well informed.
cookiecoookie@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 66d
If the boot's ever lifted even a little, he'll be asking for it to come back down again just you wait. Never surprising to watch idiots make the same mistakes continuously.
Zeppo@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 66d
Like the axiom “Americans can be counted on to do the right thing once they’ve exhausted all other options”, conservatives often figure out a politician they supported was a scumbag… TOO LATE. After they’ve elected them like 5 times, then it’s “hey maaan this guy is crooked” or whatever. Bush is a great example. All of a sudden in 2008, after their rabid “you hate America! Love it or leave it! Support the troops!” crap that that went on for 7 years, it became “well I never really liked him much…”
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 66d
That's been going on for my entire lifetime, and likely before.
Most Americans simply don't see how bad it is because they (and their parents) have been immersed in that environment for their entire lives. It's all they know.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 66d
"Yes, i helped set the whole fucking block on fire, but now it's burning my house! I'm SO SOWWY!."
LilRed@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 67d
Anyone who still supports him is. Sorry not sorry.
amniote@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 66d
"Wir haben es nicht gewusst" is what the average gerry said, after exposing them to Birchenau.
Quexotic@infosec.pub · 7 pts · 66d
For those who don't know German or those who don't know history, that translates to "we knew nothing about it." and in this case, it is of the more hilarious because Trump said he would do exactly this.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 66d
What an interesting way to phrase this. It translated to "Did we not know" for me. I really like that translation because it asks a rhetorical question about Auschwitz. A blind eye so you can sleep at night. They probably are protesting too much as well.
brognak@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 66d
Cool, if you acknowledge your that fucking stupid give up your right to vote. You have demonstrated you can't be trusted to use it intelligently, just let less stupid people make your decisions for you. Can't be any worse than the shit show you helped to create.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 4 pts · 67d
Hey shipwrecker, less stay at home, and more freeing the death encamped. You got Nazi factories to destroy. Your “turning around” aint done.
atro_city@fedia.io · 2 pts · 65d
Until you're personally impacted by the policies you vote for, you don't care how it impacts others. Just the state of things world-wide, unfortunately.