first time visiting America I tried going though the radio. a Christian channel talking about how slavery was good, then switched to country music to hear a love ballad to a pick up truck.
I once tuned in to a random radio via radiogarden and it turned out to be a Christian talk radio. Listening to that for twenty seconds was one hell of a trip
I was heavily disappointed (and okay, fucking furious for a moment) when he showed solidarity with the Israeli government a few months after the devastation of Palestine started, but what can you do? Now what, he's announced that he takes pride and pleasure in the Palestinian genocide by signing the shell? Fuck, man
I love his music. But imo, it's even worse than that. Like, he has gone so far beyond support and their "right to defend" themselves. He thinks literally anything done to them is justified. He doesn't comprehend why assassinating children and targeting journalists is bad, to the point where he has reached out to "understand" the protesters POV.
I don't know, I think it's easy for people to justify "collateral damage" regardless of the side. But when you not only justify executions, but can't understand the problem, that's psychopathic.
There are a few cases where someone became a piece of shit but I still love their old music because it shows the kind of person they used to be. Maroon 5's first three records come to mind, but Adam is a rich dickwad who deserves nothing but irrelevance now.
Frontmann Dave Mustaine is a christian bigot and had some really weird remarks about Obama.
I think he saw how much backlash that got him and hasn't said much since then, but as with Rammsteins frontman Lindemann I cannot trust anything anymore what they say.
I remember listening to a Bowling For Soup album a few years ago and every other song was basically "I hate my girlfriend, but I stay with her so people don't think I'm gay" and I suddenly understood why they were a one hit winder
Everyone has their niche. I found out recently that BFS were fucked over by their label (Sony) releasing a compilation album without their knowledge, so they rerecorded all their songs and under their own label, effectively giving themselves the sole rights to their work, and then released Songs People Actually Liked -- I respect their attitude
I used to listen to Skillet once upon a time. But I think recently the singer went full maga or something like that, possibly due to waning popularity.
Not sure though, it's more like gossip because I haven't been interested in them since about a decade or so. And I can't say I was listening to their lyrics much in the first place.
In high school a friend burned me a Skillet cd without me asking. Before listening to them I looked them up, saw they were a Christian band, and threw away the disk.
Sorry for wasting your cd Mike, but you knew I was atheist. There was no way I was going to get into that.
One of the ones I always think about is I used to really like lostprophets. I'm torn between wanting a better person to cover those songs and having them die like the lead singer.
Aaron Lewis from Staind turned into a real bro-country dbag. Or maybe he was like that when he was with Staind but I didn't have social media in 2003 to learn about it.
I remember when I found weyheyhey on YT, really liked their shit, I look down to the comments and - arrested for distribution of csam, ain't that great
Take that shit back. That song is now a hatsune miku song. Or steal it, its your song now. You samples the entire track and now its yours. With theories like death of the author, and if you pirate the music, theres really no reason shame yourself for the emotional connection you have with a piece of art, regardless of how it came to be.
If you want to of course, no inperative in the above, i just feel like its unfair to let the scumbags also dictate your emotional relationships with pieces of media they cant own even though it stemmes from their hands, just like children arent the property of their parents
As much as I understand why "death of the author" is a valuable perspective, I don't agree with and can't adopt it. I cannot divorce art from it's context because I cannot divorce anything from it's context. I think it's an unrealistic ideal to pretend that things exist outside of their connection with other things, as our understanding comes from web of associations that we build up throughout our life.
It's useful to not overvalue your assumptions or assume you know anything about an author from their work, but I don't think the opposite is true. If I know something was made by a person with terrible views, I will always consider how it might factor into their work. Every artist inserts a perspective into what they make, and if the perspective is one I find detestable, I will enjoy it less.
I'm not very sentimental about media, so I don't see it as "scumbags winning" if they cause me to stop liking it. I don't mind throwing aside a work I previously enjoyed or otherwise respect, as my past enjoyment is not sacred in any way. I'll find new meaningful work. At the same time, I'm a weirdo who enjoys hearing spoilers to stories, so I understand if most people can't live like me.
The artist also endorsing a candidate and especially donating to them is as effective if not more so than most attack ads. A lot of people put too much clout on media types.
Stressing the ‘if you want to’ part, theres several artists that for me are permanently stained, meaning; i get the ikk when thinking of them, which means its hard for me to enjoy the art. I just dont want people to feel bad if fx they really like a specific song, know the artist are some scumbags, and therefore pirates all the audio leaving out any monetary support.
U get what i mean? Really dont want to come across like im moralizing :)
60 Comments
Ratio_Tile@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 92 pts · 104d
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 40 pts · 104d
I grew up listening to country. Now, in my 30s, a lot of the songs hit different, and not in a good way.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 104d
first time visiting America I tried going though the radio. a Christian channel talking about how slavery was good, then switched to country music to hear a love ballad to a pick up truck.
and I thought GTA radio was satire.
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 104d
I once tuned in to a random radio via radiogarden and it turned out to be a Christian talk radio. Listening to that for twenty seconds was one hell of a trip
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 104d
why are American chritians so adamant to create hell on earth?
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 104d
Outlaw country is the only country I ever listened to
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 103d
With a big iron on his hiiiiiip
Manalith@midwest.social · 2 pts · 103d
Please tell me more
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
"Outlaw country!"
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 104d
Ledivin@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 104d
Fucking lostprophets, man. Even the other bandmates do everything they can to distance themselves.
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 104d
lol_idk@piefed.social · 35 pts · 104d
I was pleasantly surprised to recently discover the once racist drummer for a rather popular hardcore band speaking out against racists
This is 40 years later
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 31 pts · 104d
Better than dying an old fascist like so many others
Lewo@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 104d
Didn't exactly love Disturbed, but signing an Israeli artillery shell? Seriously, David?
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 104d
I was heavily disappointed (and okay, fucking furious for a moment) when he showed solidarity with the Israeli government a few months after the devastation of Palestine started, but what can you do? Now what, he's announced that he takes pride and pleasure in the Palestinian genocide by signing the shell? Fuck, man
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 103d
Don't buy anymore of their music, in fact pirate it specifically for that reason and never listen to it.
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 103d
I love his music. But imo, it's even worse than that. Like, he has gone so far beyond support and their "right to defend" themselves. He thinks literally anything done to them is justified. He doesn't comprehend why assassinating children and targeting journalists is bad, to the point where he has reached out to "understand" the protesters POV.
I don't know, I think it's easy for people to justify "collateral damage" regardless of the side. But when you not only justify executions, but can't understand the problem, that's psychopathic.
OldSageRick@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 104d
Quokka@quokk.au · 49 pts · 104d
I cut them out entirely. I don’t want to support them emotionally through my enjoyment or monetarily.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 104d
Agreed. Beyond moral dilemmas, it's just hard to enjoy something from a known pos
cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 104d
There are a few cases where someone became a piece of shit but I still love their old music because it shows the kind of person they used to be. Maroon 5's first three records come to mind, but Adam is a rich dickwad who deserves nothing but irrelevance now.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 103d
It's often the very thing that allowed someone to create something great that leads them down a dark path.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 104d
To say Kanye West is a bigoted cunt is the understatement of the century.
MissyBee@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 104d
Megadeth, Pantera, Rammstein...
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 104d
MissyBee@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 104d
Frontmann Dave Mustaine is a christian bigot and had some really weird remarks about Obama. I think he saw how much backlash that got him and hasn't said much since then, but as with Rammsteins frontman Lindemann I cannot trust anything anymore what they say.
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 103d
Zgierwoj@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 104d
RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 104d
what happened with Rammstein?
flying_sheep@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 103d
Till Lindemann isn't just pretending to be a misogynist for the edgy lyrics, he actually is a giant misogynist.
Zgierwoj@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 103d
I really don't remember much about it but this article seems okay
https://www.dw.com/en/rammstein-sexual-assault-allegations-a-timeline/a-66716970
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 104d
Staind
Smashing Pumpkins
Ariel Pink
Thats just a few
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 104d
Nooooo not smashing pumpkins
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 104d
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 104d
He was always a cunt
QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 103d
I mean I don’t think he’s a bigot, just an asshole lol
v_krishna@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 104d
Van Morrison Morrissey
WalleyeWarrior@midwest.social · 15 pts · 104d
I remember listening to a Bowling For Soup album a few years ago and every other song was basically "I hate my girlfriend, but I stay with her so people don't think I'm gay" and I suddenly understood why they were a one hit winder
tyler@programming.dev · 6 pts · 104d
They had way more than one hit…
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 104d
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 104d
Everyone has their niche. I found out recently that BFS were fucked over by their label (Sony) releasing a compilation album without their knowledge, so they rerecorded all their songs and under their own label, effectively giving themselves the sole rights to their work, and then released Songs People Actually Liked -- I respect their attitude
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 103d
"High School Never Ends" explains a lot.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 11 pts · 104d
With the amount of really good music out there at a fingertip it’s easier than ever to drop bad artists.
Like I get the nostalgia factor, struggle with it myself sometimes, but you gotta stay young and work at discovering and digesting new stuff.
lath@piefed.social · 10 pts · 104d
I used to listen to Skillet once upon a time. But I think recently the singer went full maga or something like that, possibly due to waning popularity.
Not sure though, it's more like gossip because I haven't been interested in them since about a decade or so. And I can't say I was listening to their lyrics much in the first place.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 103d
In high school a friend burned me a Skillet cd without me asking. Before listening to them I looked them up, saw they were a Christian band, and threw away the disk.
Sorry for wasting your cd Mike, but you knew I was atheist. There was no way I was going to get into that.
Manalith@midwest.social · 7 pts · 103d
One of the ones I always think about is I used to really like lostprophets. I'm torn between wanting a better person to cover those songs and having them die like the lead singer.
i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 103d
This is how I learned Ian Watkins is dead.
Good.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 103d
I love Green Day. Keeping it as close to punk as GenX can nowadays
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 103d
When you said Green Day I almost panicked wondering what shitty thing they did
alapakala@quokk.au · 5 pts · 104d
Remix✊🏿
Redjard@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 103d
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 103d
Redjard@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 103d
Edit: I added a nose and mouth
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 103d
What about this then?
Redjard@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 103d
The horsmen of the reaction face
btsax@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 103d
Aaron Lewis from Staind turned into a real bro-country dbag. Or maybe he was like that when he was with Staind but I didn't have social media in 2003 to learn about it.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 104d
Good ending: Five Iron Frenzy
Manalith@midwest.social · 1 pts · 103d
I haven't thought about them in years, but dang Reese seems super chill.
Zgierwoj@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 103d
I remember when I found weyheyhey on YT, really liked their shit, I look down to the comments and - arrested for distribution of csam, ain't that great
Juice@midwest.social · 4 pts · 103d
I used to love Brand New
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 104d
Take that shit back. That song is now a hatsune miku song. Or steal it, its your song now. You samples the entire track and now its yours. With theories like death of the author, and if you pirate the music, theres really no reason shame yourself for the emotional connection you have with a piece of art, regardless of how it came to be.
If you want to of course, no inperative in the above, i just feel like its unfair to let the scumbags also dictate your emotional relationships with pieces of media they cant own even though it stemmes from their hands, just like children arent the property of their parents
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 103d
As much as I understand why "death of the author" is a valuable perspective, I don't agree with and can't adopt it. I cannot divorce art from it's context because I cannot divorce anything from it's context. I think it's an unrealistic ideal to pretend that things exist outside of their connection with other things, as our understanding comes from web of associations that we build up throughout our life.
It's useful to not overvalue your assumptions or assume you know anything about an author from their work, but I don't think the opposite is true. If I know something was made by a person with terrible views, I will always consider how it might factor into their work. Every artist inserts a perspective into what they make, and if the perspective is one I find detestable, I will enjoy it less.
I'm not very sentimental about media, so I don't see it as "scumbags winning" if they cause me to stop liking it. I don't mind throwing aside a work I previously enjoyed or otherwise respect, as my past enjoyment is not sacred in any way. I'll find new meaningful work. At the same time, I'm a weirdo who enjoys hearing spoilers to stories, so I understand if most people can't live like me.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 103d
The artist also endorsing a candidate and especially donating to them is as effective if not more so than most attack ads. A lot of people put too much clout on media types.
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 103d
Stressing the ‘if you want to’ part, theres several artists that for me are permanently stained, meaning; i get the ikk when thinking of them, which means its hard for me to enjoy the art. I just dont want people to feel bad if fx they really like a specific song, know the artist are some scumbags, and therefore pirates all the audio leaving out any monetary support.
U get what i mean? Really dont want to come across like im moralizing :)
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 103d
That's fair
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 103d
Can always fall back on Bodycount's Cop Killer album