It'll be a clean, fast special operation that definitely won't lead to a protracted ground war.
Iran will be taken by complete surprise, since they didn't expect it.
Just a couple of helicopters with some special forces guys who go in at night, and in the morning Iran's leadership will surrender, apologize and build a Trump Hotel in Tehran.
For sure, it's not like America has a long history of fucking up amphibious landings or helicopter based airborne operations. Grenada had like 1500 dudes armed with sks defending it and they only lost like 10 helicopters. Surely it won't be worse than that......right?
Helicopters naturally understand that army personnel belong on the ground, and their natural instinct is to get them there in the fastest possible way.
The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces and controls working in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. There is no such thing as a gliding helicopter.
This is why being a helicopter pilot is so different from being an airplane pilot, and why in generality, airplane pilots are open, clear-eyed, buoyant extroverts and helicopter pilots are brooding introspective anticipators of trouble. They know if something bad has not happened it is about to.
Thousands of moving parts on an air vehicle that doesn't have any glide capacity, being flown by a pilot that's significantly younger than the airframe..... What could possibly go wrong? I guess at least it's not an osprey?
I was really lucky finding mine, got it from a dude that bought a sealed barrel full of them in the early 90s. It took like a gallon of mineral spirits to clean all the cosmoline off and out of it.
I still have a couple ammo cans full of 7.62, but it's getting harder to find for a decent price, so I'm kind of hesitant to fire them off willy nilly. It used to be my primary caliber, so I have a mini-30 that i usually save it for.
I've been putting 5.56 together for a while now, but the ar just isn't my favorite platform so ive been lacking the motivation to finish it. Plus, I don't really get to hit the range very often either. Most of the outdoor ones around me are full of right winged chuds, and they make you sign up with the nra to become a member.
Same. There's one not overtly right winged indoor range near me, but I dislike indoor ranges in general. This one is particularly lax when it comes to gun safety, and you can tell by the plethora of bullet holes in the ceiling and lane dividers. Last time I went I got barrel swept like three times just walking by the store counter.
I unfortunately live in one of the most conservative states in the union, and people are just idiots when it comes to firearms down here.
I guess it can be a bit confusing considering Israel is basically a vassal state of the US, but at times it can be hard to tell who is the tiger and whose is holding it by the tail.
Why the blackmail did not make Trump go back completely to full scale war on Iran or the allow isrsel to officially annex the whole west bank and abolish the PA?
More broadly, it is about western imperial expansion. Control of the Red Sea. Control of the Suez Canal. The ability to cut China and Russia off from international markets (specifically, trade with India and West Africa).
Oil was a big part of it, but not the whole.
It was always not only about israel colonial interests but also american imperialist interests
I wonder how many decades of blowback this shit will return to US and Israel. I remember bombings in the 80s attributed as payback for events in the 70s.... and thinking, man, we haven't seen anything yet. oooof
It’s amazing that Iran has gone from a pariah state to something of an underdog. The regime was on the nose and the Demented Don arrived diverted attention to him. A master stroke launching Operation Epstein Fury!
OK, when this was expected in the first few days, it was not as stupid. Still stupid, but now they've given them months to prepare. This has always been the most obvious target for an invasion. There's no way it isn't a trap at this point. If they did it fast then at least they wouldn't be dug in. Now, a lot more people are going to die for nothing. It doesn't move any closer to ending the conflict.
It's such an incredibly childish way of thinking. These people grew up with "Russia bad, Murica good" propaganda, had their minor awakening as they realized the US weren't in fact the heroes they'd been taught they were, but never actually bothered to unpack the underlying assumption that the world is made of heroes and villains. So instead of figuring out that actually all forms of imperialism suck, they just swapped the heroes and villains in the fairytale because it's more comforting to live in a world that has unambiguous good guys and bad guys. They want to have a team that they can cheer for and screw it if reality doesn't agree.
Ffs, I forgot this is social media and the average intelligence is room temperature. Of course, Russia is bad. The point is that there is no fucking outrage when the US declares they're just going to take an island. In case of Russia's invasion we had 24/7 rolling coverage and breaking news banners on all news sites
I don't know what's your news are, but I didn't have the same perception (France and Canada):
There was some anger when Trump floated the idea of "taking" Canada, but he wasn't taken seriously.
There was definitely an outrage when Trump repeated he would have Greenland by force if needed, and he was taken seriously.
There are mild reactions now when he says he will take an island from Iran because he's lost all credibility. Fact is I'm not sure he could get his ships close enough to the island before they're sunk by Iran's drones…
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mech@feddit.org · 96 pts · 62d
It'll be a clean, fast special operation that definitely won't lead to a protracted ground war.
Iran will be taken by complete surprise, since they didn't expect it.
Just a couple of helicopters with some special forces guys who go in at night, and in the morning Iran's leadership will surrender, apologize and build a Trump Hotel in Tehran.
I'm sure of it!
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 62d
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 62d
For sure, it's not like America has a long history of fucking up amphibious landings or helicopter based airborne operations. Grenada had like 1500 dudes armed with sks defending it and they only lost like 10 helicopters. Surely it won't be worse than that......right?
mech@feddit.org · 4 pts · 62d
To be fair, there are also examples where a daring helicopter raid lead to an end of the war -
Like Mogadishu.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 62d
Helicopters naturally understand that army personnel belong on the ground, and their natural instinct is to get them there in the fastest possible way.
Arras@nord.pub · 11 pts · 62d
The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces and controls working in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. There is no such thing as a gliding helicopter.
This is why being a helicopter pilot is so different from being an airplane pilot, and why in generality, airplane pilots are open, clear-eyed, buoyant extroverts and helicopter pilots are brooding introspective anticipators of trouble. They know if something bad has not happened it is about to.
-- Harry Reasoner
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 62d
Nowadays helicopter pilots seem to just be riding the copium that is autorotation.
mech@feddit.org · 5 pts · 62d
Ain't nobody getting me to fly in something that relies on a "Jesus nut".
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 62d
Thousands of moving parts on an air vehicle that doesn't have any glide capacity, being flown by a pilot that's significantly younger than the airframe..... What could possibly go wrong? I guess at least it's not an osprey?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 62d
Fuck it. Send in a squadron of BUFF. We've never lost any of those.
/s
flandish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 62d
i love my sks. always fond of its history.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 62d
Same, my yugo is what I used to use to train friends who are new to rifles. Just wish 7.62 was cheap and easy to find as it used to be.
flandish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 62d
nice. mine is a chinese version. but yeah. cleaned up well. i still have a ton of 762 but dont hit the range often.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 61d
I was really lucky finding mine, got it from a dude that bought a sealed barrel full of them in the early 90s. It took like a gallon of mineral spirits to clean all the cosmoline off and out of it.
I still have a couple ammo cans full of 7.62, but it's getting harder to find for a decent price, so I'm kind of hesitant to fire them off willy nilly. It used to be my primary caliber, so I have a mini-30 that i usually save it for.
I've been putting 5.56 together for a while now, but the ar just isn't my favorite platform so ive been lacking the motivation to finish it. Plus, I don't really get to hit the range very often either. Most of the outdoor ones around me are full of right winged chuds, and they make you sign up with the nra to become a member.
flandish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d
clubs here are the same too. it’s annoying. i won’t join the nra for obvious reasons and the indoor ranges are often right wing nuts too.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 61d
Same. There's one not overtly right winged indoor range near me, but I dislike indoor ranges in general. This one is particularly lax when it comes to gun safety, and you can tell by the plethora of bullet holes in the ceiling and lane dividers. Last time I went I got barrel swept like three times just walking by the store counter.
I unfortunately live in one of the most conservative states in the union, and people are just idiots when it comes to firearms down here.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 46 pts · 62d
I told you it was always about oil . It was always not only about israel colonial interests but also american imperialist interests
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 62d
I mean..... Israeli colonial interests and American imperialist interest are kinda the same thing.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 62d
Most people at least those vocal on lemmy claims that it's only about Israel colonial interests. It is about both
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 62d
I guess it can be a bit confusing considering Israel is basically a vassal state of the US, but at times it can be hard to tell who is the tiger and whose is holding it by the tail.
redsand@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 62d
I disagree. This is spin with no possibility of pay off. It's still all about Israel weakening Iran and annexing Lebanon.
And the obscene ammount of blackmail generated by Epstein and Maxwell of course.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 61d
Why the blackmail did not make Trump go back completely to full scale war on Iran or the allow isrsel to officially annex the whole west bank and abolish the PA?
redsand@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 61d
Because Israel is evil not stupid? Their plan is working great.
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 61d
Israel also believed that they could easily take Iran out. They was stupid
redsand@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 61d
Lol no, that's just what they told the orange diatraction and the goons. This is a slow and methodical land grab.
compuglobalhypermeganet@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 61d
Yet
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 61d
Why waiting?
compuglobalhypermeganet@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 61d
I wouldn't say waiting more like slow walking... You can only use kompromat once, but you can threaten to use it forever.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 62d
More broadly, it is about western imperial expansion. Control of the Red Sea. Control of the Suez Canal. The ability to cut China and Russia off from international markets (specifically, trade with India and West Africa).
Oil was a big part of it, but not the whole.
They're joined at the hip.
yakko@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 61d
Who was arguing with you?
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 62d
Obviously they're doing this to protect the world from Iran using nuclear weapons. I cannot think of any other reason. Just like Venezuela.
80sHairMetalFan@piefed.ca · 19 pts · 62d
Good luck with that one. Even if they do go through with this threat, have fun holding it.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 61d
Reverse Gallipoli.
Unopposed landing, then, a week or so later, 2,000 shahed drones a day untill I guess something like a quarter of the 82nd airborne ceases to exist.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 62d
He’s going to get a lot of service members killed to gain nothing
flandish@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 62d
naa. he’ll gain profit. his cronies will gain profit. this is what war is always about
Steve@startrek.website · 5 pts · 62d
Not at all. Their lives will delay any consequences Trump may face for raping all those children.
bagsy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d
Oh there will be gains, it just won't be for the american people.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 61d
Oh look another round of stock manipulation for profit.
Someone in the Whitehouse making bets!?
What a joke.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 61d
enough to distract with operation epstein fury again.
chahn.chris@piefed.social · 13 pts · 62d
Incoming diesel at $10 a gallon at the pump!
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 62d
Damn I picked a good time to jump on the EV bandwagon...
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 61d
Iran has been given 24 hrs to respond before they get another 72....
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 12 pts · 61d
Aaaaaaand he's chickened out. In other news, water is wet.
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 61d
6hrs mark: TACO!
zebidiah@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 61d
Taco Thursday it is!
BC_viper@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 61d
Ah yes, the sent of bitch is in the air today. For trumps once again being a little piggy bitch that bitches out of things like a weak pathetic loser.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 61d
Attacking, then stealing.
I really wish Bonespurs McFuckUp would go to the Middle East for once just to oversee... That'd be nice, don't you think? I'm sure it's be safe.
D1re_W0lf@piefed.social · 7 pts · 62d
Ahhh. 😌 Another fine example of the United States liberating a country. Long live democracy!!
msage@programming.dev · 7 pts · 61d
fuck him, I don't care. He lies more than he breaths.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 61d
He ever wants to stop either, I'm good with that.
Scottyc65@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 61d
Great OpSec. Giving away our military plans? The Iranians won't see it coming.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 61d
Who needs signal leaks when the commander and chief just tweets it
skozzii@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 62d
I'm tired boss.
mPony@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d
That's the plan. It's been the plan all along.
metermatic26@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 62d
Watching Trump is like watching someone thrash around in quick sand; every time he makes a move, he ends up sinking even deeper.
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 61d
He's a bottom dweller. He's just getting closer to his natural habitat. Too bad he'll just drag everyone with him.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d
I wonder how many decades of blowback this shit will return to US and Israel. I remember bombings in the 80s attributed as payback for events in the 70s.... and thinking, man, we haven't seen anything yet. oooof
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 61d
Unfortunately, someone in quicksand will eventually submerge.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 61d
The only thing Trump is hitting hard at night is his stimulants!
What a joke of a man.
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 61d
It’s amazing that Iran has gone from a pariah state to something of an underdog. The regime was on the nose and the Demented Don arrived diverted attention to him. A master stroke launching Operation Epstein Fury!
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 61d
OK, when this was expected in the first few days, it was not as stupid. Still stupid, but now they've given them months to prepare. This has always been the most obvious target for an invasion. There's no way it isn't a trap at this point. If they did it fast then at least they wouldn't be dug in. Now, a lot more people are going to die for nothing. It doesn't move any closer to ending the conflict.
underThunder@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 61d
treehugger6@lemmy.world · -56 pts · 62d
I don't want to hear about 'Russia bad' EVER AGAIN!!!
comrade_twisty@feddit.org · 67 pts · 62d
The US being bad does not change anything about Russia.
If your brother murders someone it does not change anything about the fact that your dad raped someone.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 62d
It's such an incredibly childish way of thinking. These people grew up with "Russia bad, Murica good" propaganda, had their minor awakening as they realized the US weren't in fact the heroes they'd been taught they were, but never actually bothered to unpack the underlying assumption that the world is made of heroes and villains. So instead of figuring out that actually all forms of imperialism suck, they just swapped the heroes and villains in the fairytale because it's more comforting to live in a world that has unambiguous good guys and bad guys. They want to have a team that they can cheer for and screw it if reality doesn't agree.
treehugger6@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 62d
Ffs, I forgot this is social media and the average intelligence is room temperature. Of course, Russia is bad. The point is that there is no fucking outrage when the US declares they're just going to take an island. In case of Russia's invasion we had 24/7 rolling coverage and breaking news banners on all news sites
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 62d
Sorry, what?
Tja@programming.dev · 3 pts · 62d
Well, nobody believes that they will do it. TACO
treehugger6@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 62d
Where is the outrage?
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 62d
Are you not outraged?
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 61d
I don't know what's your news are, but I didn't have the same perception (France and Canada):
There was some anger when Trump floated the idea of "taking" Canada, but he wasn't taken seriously.
There was definitely an outrage when Trump repeated he would have Greenland by force if needed, and he was taken seriously.
There are mild reactions now when he says he will take an island from Iran because he's lost all credibility. Fact is I'm not sure he could get his ships close enough to the island before they're sunk by Iran's drones…
mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 62d
Russia bad. The united snakes bad
yakko@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 62d
Nations bad.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 61d
Agreed.
MushuChupacabra@piefed.world · 21 pts · 62d
Then get Russia to stop being bad.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 61d
Both. Both are bad
treehugger6@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d
YES!