And I once thought “who could be so unintelligent as to bankrupt a casino”, and it’s the same person who agreed to embarrass his nation by signing a reparations treaty in Versailles France. It’s as if his secretary of education doesn't have a thorough understanding of history, and the balls to speak up? At least it wasn’t in a train car I guess.
Even if you explained it to him, with crayons and circles and diagrams and arrows and cartoon characters, he wouldn’t get it and even if he did, he wouldn’t care.
I very much appreciate the person who understands history enough to draw this parallel. I am also fairly certain few in the usa get it because international history is no longer a core subject.
My high school history curriculum was one year of World History, followed by two years of U.S. History. I always thought that was completely backwards. There's so much more history in the world than in the U.S. Besides, we'd already covered pretty much everything except the 20th century in elementary and middle school, making the first U.S. History class basically a rehash of stuff we already knew.
They lured him to agree to do it there with all the gilding in the palace, knowing well that he would have no idea what kind of symbolism signing a peace treaty in Versailles had. But everyone else, France and Iran included, absolutely did.
The Treaty of Versailles was the treaty that ended WW1. It required Germany to pay huge reparations to the rest of Europe.
Trump just signed the Memorandum of Understanding that "should" lead to the end of the war with Iran. And the US is required to pay huge reparations to them.
The treaty was played up by Nazi Germany for political reasons and as such is often mentioned as one of the reasons for Germany to start the war.
In practice the reparations asked of Germany where significantly less than what France had to pay as reparations for the 1870 war.
German economy was in a much worse state after 1929 than France was in the later half of the 19th century, making it a heavier burden. But that’s not due to the treaty itself.
French Marechal Foch famously said of the treaty «It’s not peace, it’s an armistice for 20 years ! ». They already knew at the time that it was not enough to significantly impact Germany.
France had wanted the reparations set so high that it would permanently destroy any German economic prospects. Britain and the US had to restrain them, which may explain why Foch was even more hysterical than is usual for the French.
To be clear, it was a contributing factor as much as the "evil Jews destroy our country" was. Meaning, it was a propaganda tool, but otherwise completely untrue.
The fact that Germany's economy went down the drain during the Great Depression is quite obviously because of said economic collapse, but the propaganda machine was running full speed, and never really stopped
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Ariselas@piefed.ca · 94 pts · 56d
It all makes sense now
Evotech@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 56d
History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme. Indeed.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 60 pts · 56d
And I once thought “who could be so unintelligent as to bankrupt a casino”, and it’s the same person who agreed to embarrass his nation by signing a reparations treaty in Versailles France. It’s as if his secretary of education doesn't have a thorough understanding of history, and the balls to speak up? At least it wasn’t in a train car I guess.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 56d
I expect he's happy about it because he's getting a cut.
Just straight up fleecing the American taxpayer so he can get a small percentage.
freebee@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 56d
He thinks signing something in Versailles makes him a king
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 56d
Even if you explained it to him, with crayons and circles and diagrams and arrows and cartoon characters, he wouldn’t get it and even if he did, he wouldn’t care.
trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 56d
You'd also have to watch out carefully so he doesn't eat the crayons.
sunbytes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 43d
The casino thing I've had explained to me (not by someone who was making excuses for Trump).
I can't remember the detail hut basically it was some massive scam by Trump.
Probably to get out of taxes or dodge a debt or something. Or just to defraud someone.
But it does seem like it was done deliberately. The guy is a fraudster at heart.
Arancello@aussie.zone · 47 pts · 56d
I very much appreciate the person who understands history enough to draw this parallel. I am also fairly certain few in the usa get it because international history is no longer a core subject.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 56d
My high school history curriculum was one year of World History, followed by two years of U.S. History. I always thought that was completely backwards. There's so much more history in the world than in the U.S. Besides, we'd already covered pretty much everything except the 20th century in elementary and middle school, making the first U.S. History class basically a rehash of stuff we already knew.
Darnton@piefed.zip · 46 pts · 56d
They lured him to agree to do it there with all the gilding in the palace, knowing well that he would have no idea what kind of symbolism signing a peace treaty in Versailles had. But everyone else, France and Iran included, absolutely did.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 57d
PugJesus@piefed.social · 39 pts · 57d
Don't tell me this is going to get worse, I'm trying to avoid the urge to play chicken with the next passing freight train.
lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 56d
Pug, we need historians like you to remind us what normal should look like.
And who else would remind us about the Eternal Glory of Rome that even modern empires in decline still look to for inspiration?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 57d
Best case scenario AMOC shuts down and we don't learn what happens down the rest of this timelines.
trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 56d
Please don't be such an arsehole towards the train driver.
Also, what /u/lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world said.
collectif_imaginaire@piefed.social · 14 pts · 56d
Well can anyone explain ? What happened ? What has trump signed ?
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 72 pts · 56d
The Treaty of Versailles was the treaty that ended WW1. It required Germany to pay huge reparations to the rest of Europe.
Trump just signed the Memorandum of Understanding that "should" lead to the end of the war with Iran. And the US is required to pay huge reparations to them.
It's a bit "on-the-nose".
Tommelot@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 56d
Please note that historians consider the treaty of Versailles with her 'unrealistic' reperations a core contributor to WW2.
Plauditecives@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 56d
The treaty was played up by Nazi Germany for political reasons and as such is often mentioned as one of the reasons for Germany to start the war. In practice the reparations asked of Germany where significantly less than what France had to pay as reparations for the 1870 war.
German economy was in a much worse state after 1929 than France was in the later half of the 19th century, making it a heavier burden. But that’s not due to the treaty itself.
French Marechal Foch famously said of the treaty «It’s not peace, it’s an armistice for 20 years ! ». They already knew at the time that it was not enough to significantly impact Germany.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 56d
Sounds about right. It's take all of about 8 minutes for the Maga screachers to do the same.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 56d
France had wanted the reparations set so high that it would permanently destroy any German economic prospects. Britain and the US had to restrain them, which may explain why Foch was even more hysterical than is usual for the French.
Miaou@jlai.lu · 4 pts · 56d
To be clear, it was a contributing factor as much as the "evil Jews destroy our country" was. Meaning, it was a propaganda tool, but otherwise completely untrue.
The fact that Germany's economy went down the drain during the Great Depression is quite obviously because of said economic collapse, but the propaganda machine was running full speed, and never really stopped
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 56d
It would not remotely surprise me if the US is upset at the debt incurred from this and decides to start a war because of perceived unfair treatment
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 56d
Or they could do what they usually do and just start a war for no reason at all.
mech@feddit.org · 9 pts · 56d
Trump probably sees himself more like Hitler who made the French government sign their surrender in Versailles.
collectif_imaginaire@piefed.social · 1 pts · 56d
Thx 👍
marcos@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 56d
Oh, man. If those are the normal-ish guys that start it, I don't want to know how the dumb crazy drug-addicted genociders look like.
ellypony@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 56d
The idiocracy timeline was right
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 56d
I wish. Their president seemed to actually give a fuck about his fellow Americans.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 56d
I wouldn’t put it past him that it mashes him feel more like Hitler to hold power in a crumbling embarrassed power filled with latent rage.
That is exactly what the Nazis leveraged to gain and hold power.
thefluffiest@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 56d
Well, Trump is of German descent…
DandomRude@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 56d
How could he? The guy is orange...