I’m at a loss with these people. You visit a contested area in an active war zone and then you’re shocked when shit like this happens. Is the propaganda in Russia so complete that this eludes them?
I think it actually is. For years the war was something very distant for most Russians, like a war somewhere else in the world, and the government did everything possible to upkeep this reality. I mean you are endangered if you even speak with other people about the war, how would you get info as an average citizen?
Yeah same. I am so confused by this whole Crimea business. Russia took over in 2014. Did they offer really generous incentives for people to move in? Or was it more stick than carrot?
I seem to recall Ukraine retaliating by cutting off the water supply to the peninsula, which makes me think it would've been pretty shitty to stick around, let alone move in? And then when the current war got under way, Russia made it a priority to reestablish the water supply. But then they (the Russians) blew up the dam that controlled it?!? Like none of this makes any sense to me.
It's not contested to them. They view the referendum as fair. Until recently, there were practically no signs of it being a war zone. They'd go on vacation to spend time by the sea and some would even buy property there without any issues.
Could Ukraine please schedule a drone hit for the moment she gets off the train, or you know those view spots where you're approaching the city in a train/car, and you get that first amazing view, often from higher up. Yes please!
Seizing land you’ve invaded seems to be mostly about getting average, non-thinking people to move and stay there, unaware of their entitlement. See Crimea, Israel, USA …
Honestly, if fuel gets bad enough that passenger vehicle transport falls off over the Kerch Strait Bridge and the land bridge route, or if either route becomes entirely impassable due to attack, there's probably money in it for the enterprising Russian with a small boat to move people and small amounts of goods back and forth across the Kerch Strait.
Though...hmm. I don't know if Russia might disallow movement of small boats in the area, given that Ukraine's used USVs to hit the Kerch Strait Bridge before.
It shows up in Firefox in the Lemmy Web UI for me.
Another possibility --- it's hosted on files.catbox.moe, and given that catbox allows arbitrary uploads of files, I'm sure that there's content that people have uploaded that violate pornography laws in some jurisdictions, and it's possible that you're in a country or on a network that that has some sort of network blacklist that includes catbox. You might try opening the URL directly in a Web browser. If you can't open that, probably it's your network provider.
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makyo@lemmy.world · 107 pts · 59d
I’m at a loss with these people. You visit a contested area in an active war zone and then you’re shocked when shit like this happens. Is the propaganda in Russia so complete that this eludes them?
lokalhorst@feddit.org · 40 pts · 59d
I think it actually is. For years the war was something very distant for most Russians, like a war somewhere else in the world, and the government did everything possible to upkeep this reality. I mean you are endangered if you even speak with other people about the war, how would you get info as an average citizen?
tunetardis@piefed.ca · 23 pts · 59d
Yeah same. I am so confused by this whole Crimea business. Russia took over in 2014. Did they offer really generous incentives for people to move in? Or was it more stick than carrot?
I seem to recall Ukraine retaliating by cutting off the water supply to the peninsula, which makes me think it would've been pretty shitty to stick around, let alone move in? And then when the current war got under way, Russia made it a priority to reestablish the water supply. But then they (the Russians) blew up the dam that controlled it?!? Like none of this makes any sense to me.
khannie@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 59d
I think it can be summarised thusly:
rammer@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 58d
Russia did offer generous incentives for people to move in. They were selling Ukrainian owned properties that were "abandoned" at a very low price.
Rose@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 59d
It's not contested to them. They view the referendum as fair. Until recently, there were practically no signs of it being a war zone. They'd go on vacation to spend time by the sea and some would even buy property there without any issues.
lurch@sh.itjust.works · 73 pts · 59d
she might be in for a surprise when she finally gets to moscow and everything is on fire and it's raining black soot
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 59d
Could Ukraine please schedule a drone hit for the moment she gets off the train, or you know those view spots where you're approaching the city in a train/car, and you get that first amazing view, often from higher up. Yes please!
Kalothar@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 59d
shittydwarf@piefed.ca · 67 pts · 59d
Step 2: find out
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 59 pts · 59d
Crimea river
DungeonTreasureHunt@piefed.social · 45 pts · 59d
Welcome to war.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 59d
“but now it’s personally affecting me!!!!”
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 59d
Yeah, how on earth did she ever get there? Must have been an alien abduction or something.
Draegur@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 59d
All I've got to tell her is,
Golly gee whiz, girl, it almost sounds like you MAYBE would have been a lot better off if you STAYED THE FUCK OUT OF UKRAINE.
When (OR IF) you do get out, do yourself the biggest favor in your pathetic loser life and DON'T COME BACK.
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 59d
Seizing land you’ve invaded seems to be mostly about getting average, non-thinking people to move and stay there, unaware of their entitlement. See Crimea, Israel, USA …
homes@piefed.world · 18 pts · 59d
They could always learn to swim
tal@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 56d
Honestly, if fuel gets bad enough that passenger vehicle transport falls off over the Kerch Strait Bridge and the land bridge route, or if either route becomes entirely impassable due to attack, there's probably money in it for the enterprising Russian with a small boat to move people and small amounts of goods back and forth across the Kerch Strait.
Though...hmm. I don't know if Russia might disallow movement of small boats in the area, given that Ukraine's used USVs to hit the Kerch Strait Bridge before.
subverted_per@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 59d
Sounds like a problem only conscription can solve. Have a nice holiday!
Agent641@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 59d
Videos and media posted to this com always appear unavailable for me, almost without fail. I haven't yet figured out why.
Cybersec@piefed.social · 6 pts · 59d
What app you using? Try another one, I use Voyager on iOS and it works great, for example
Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 59d
Jerboa
tal@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 59d
It's an mp4, so maybe Jerboa can't handle that.
It shows up in Firefox in the Lemmy Web UI for me.
Another possibility --- it's hosted on files.catbox.moe, and given that catbox allows arbitrary uploads of files, I'm sure that there's content that people have uploaded that violate pornography laws in some jurisdictions, and it's possible that you're in a country or on a network that that has some sort of network blacklist that includes catbox. You might try opening the URL directly in a Web browser. If you can't open that, probably it's your network provider.
https://files.catbox.moe/lqyfpk.mp4
caboose2006@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 59d
Mine always look like this
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 58d
Guess you better start walking
notsosure@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 59d
Suck it up.