Lol, is this the same artist that did giuliani? Legendary.
Edit to add artist is Jane Rosenberg. I just did a little search, and this drawing is even funnier because she has received criticism recently for her Luigi sketches not looking like Luigi. What is she telling us internet friends?!
The police already screwed it up. They have massive chain of evidence issues, some evidence has been excluded, and more of this will be brought up during the trial.
We also have a massive issue where the lead investigator has admitted to wiretapping without consent which is a felony in Pennsylvania. Yet he has not been charged with a crime.
This puts the police departments in a bad position. They don't want to take corrective action now to fix their policies or to punish their employees because that would weaken the case against Luigi. But if they don't take corrective action then there's a conspiracy to cover up wrongdoing, and that could make the case against Luigi even weaker.
And I use the word conspiracy but actually it's not very hidden. If there's plainly evidence that the cops did the wrong thing and none of the city or county or state level prosecutors, or their superiors, take any legal or disciplinary action, then that's sufficient to show that they are cooperating to cover up bad actions.
What a joke the entire thing is. He's been sitting in jail for nearly 2 years and the trial hasn't even started. If he wins the case, it'll be such a blow and they will owe him quite a bit of money.
Most lawyers advise against invoking that. Gives all sides more time to prepare. Like the defense spent a good bit of time trying to get certain evidence removed from the record as it's own proceeding. The hope was of course if the judge found that the evidence must be excluded then the prosecution may drop charges even before the trial.
So yeah Luigi could have had a trial, but I can almost guarantee his lawyer is slowing things down to build his defense and try other types of hearings that strengthen their position once a trial begins
Why would they owe him money? A defendant doesn't get paid if he's found not guilty. His only reward is that he gets to go free, unless there has been some sort of prosecutorial conduct that he can sue over.
The reason they are dragging it out is because they know their case is weak, has lots of holes, and it's going to be susceptible to jury nullification. There's a good chance he goes free. So they drag out the trial for as long as possible, knowing that's the only time he'll serve in prison. He may get found Not Guilty, but he'll never get back the 3-4 years he sat in jail.
They did the same thing with Casey Anthony. She served 3 1/2 years before being found Not Guilty. She went "Free," but she probably spent the same amount of time that she would have gotten for Child Neglect, which is probably what she was really guilty of.
This is a combination of why we shouldn't have cash bail and why effective representation is so critical.
Removing cash bail stops the pre trial incarceration of those without significant assets.
Effective representation means that your rights to a speedy trial can be reasserted of your want and reduces the misapplication of state sponsored violence.
41 Comments
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 150 pts · 66d
WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 66d
🧑🦳🔫🙍
xorollo@leminal.space · 135 pts · 66d
Lol, is this the same artist that did giuliani? Legendary.
Edit to add artist is Jane Rosenberg. I just did a little search, and this drawing is even funnier because she has received criticism recently for her Luigi sketches not looking like Luigi. What is she telling us internet friends?!
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 116 pts · 66d
Seems like even more evidence he's not being given a fair trial.
Aneb@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 66d
Is the best defense, no defense?
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 91 pts · 66d
Hey, they bungled the paperwork for the search warrant, and thus never found the weapon used, so this is par for the course
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 66d
didn't they officially find it on the second search at the police station, making the weapon fruit of the poisonous tree?
ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 66d
What weapon?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 66d
I didn't see no weapon and will swear an affidavit stating thusly
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf · 74 pts · 66d
God I hope this is a good omen that the prosecution is gonna fuck up this case.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 46 pts · 66d
The police already screwed it up. They have massive chain of evidence issues, some evidence has been excluded, and more of this will be brought up during the trial.
We also have a massive issue where the lead investigator has admitted to wiretapping without consent which is a felony in Pennsylvania. Yet he has not been charged with a crime.
This puts the police departments in a bad position. They don't want to take corrective action now to fix their policies or to punish their employees because that would weaken the case against Luigi. But if they don't take corrective action then there's a conspiracy to cover up wrongdoing, and that could make the case against Luigi even weaker.
And I use the word conspiracy but actually it's not very hidden. If there's plainly evidence that the cops did the wrong thing and none of the city or county or state level prosecutors, or their superiors, take any legal or disciplinary action, then that's sufficient to show that they are cooperating to cover up bad actions.
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 66d
I’m not doubting you, but do you have a source for the wiretapping?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 66d
i mean, i don't watch trials that closely and loosely trained in civil, not criminal, but the only way they find him guilty is jury tampering
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 66d
https://apnews.com/article/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-killing-hearing-16fefa1dd50b6ab3eaf1273c8013a3ac
atro_city@fedia.io · 100 pts · 66d
What a joke the entire thing is. He's been sitting in jail for nearly 2 years and the trial hasn't even started. If he wins the case, it'll be such a blow and they will owe him quite a bit of money.
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 76 pts · 66d
Good thing there isn't an ammendmant about a speedy trial
original_charles@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 66d
Amendments don't apply when you fuck with The Oligarchy
(TM)dondelelcaro@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 66d
It's typical in cases like this to waive your right to a speedy trial.
ooterness@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 66d
Why do people do this?
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 66d
More time to prepare a defense, gather evidence, witnesses, litigate hearings, etc. any of which could drastically change your defense.
There isn’t a do over
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 2 pts · 66d
https://vger.to/lemmy.zip/comment/27182965
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 66d
Most lawyers advise against invoking that. Gives all sides more time to prepare. Like the defense spent a good bit of time trying to get certain evidence removed from the record as it's own proceeding. The hope was of course if the judge found that the evidence must be excluded then the prosecution may drop charges even before the trial.
So yeah Luigi could have had a trial, but I can almost guarantee his lawyer is slowing things down to build his defense and try other types of hearings that strengthen their position once a trial begins
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 66d
Why would they owe him money? A defendant doesn't get paid if he's found not guilty. His only reward is that he gets to go free, unless there has been some sort of prosecutorial conduct that he can sue over.
The reason they are dragging it out is because they know their case is weak, has lots of holes, and it's going to be susceptible to jury nullification. There's a good chance he goes free. So they drag out the trial for as long as possible, knowing that's the only time he'll serve in prison. He may get found Not Guilty, but he'll never get back the 3-4 years he sat in jail.
They did the same thing with Casey Anthony. She served 3 1/2 years before being found Not Guilty. She went "Free," but she probably spent the same amount of time that she would have gotten for Child Neglect, which is probably what she was really guilty of.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 66d
Mr. Piccolo, Esq. here illustrates the saying "you can beat the charge, but you can't beat the ride"
dondelelcaro@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 64d
This is a combination of why we shouldn't have cash bail and why effective representation is so critical.
Removing cash bail stops the pre trial incarceration of those without significant assets.
Effective representation means that your rights to a speedy trial can be reasserted of your want and reduces the misapplication of state sponsored violence.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net · 30 pts · 66d
There are court sketch artists?
bagelberger@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 66d
When cameras aren't allowed, yes
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 66d
So I kind of want to print this and frame it for my wall. Where would I find a high resolution copy.
Edit
Think I found one.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 66d
Good question, I dunno though a wire service might be a good start.
Etterra@discuss.online · 23 pts · 66d
It's a room full of people who all realize they were stupid at the same time.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 65d
It's always funnier when it's like lawyers or doctors or scientists or something, people who were expected to be smart.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 16 pts · 66d
Well, it's not like they were planning on giving him a fair trial anyway, right?
xylol@leminal.space · 15 pts · 66d
As long as he doesn't mysteriously disappear
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 66d
Why is he in prison? Shouldn't he be in jail if he hasn't been convicted yet?
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · 22 pts · 66d
by the time the trial has cocluded he has served more jail time than an actual murderer in europe
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d
probably because it's high profile and a jail doesn't have good enough security.
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 66d
Please tell me his lawyer tried "there is no accused at this hearing, that means he's free right?"
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 66d
It's "there is no accuser at this hearing" what works. other way doesn't.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 66d
Even weirder: Waldo was in the room
anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 66d
Where?
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 66d
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 66d
It literally says the prosecution.