“If a state refuses to turn their absentee voter list over to the federal government, will the Postal Service still mail their ballots under this proposal rule?” Sen. Gary Peters (D-Mich.), the committee’s top Democrat, asked Steiner.
“Under our proposed regulation, no,” Steiner replied.
45 Comments
hemmes@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 40d
Does the constitution say that states must turn over absentee voter data in order to vote?
bedwyr@piefed.ca · 43 pts · 40d
No, the Constitution does say States run their own elections. Feds can legislate times and dates and some stuff, but they have no legal authority to do this.
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 40d
This was the condition that allowed the states to federate in the first place. If we were to place as much importance on this as the States did before federation, the breaking of this contract would be returned in kind by no longest submitting to the Federal government's authority or pocket book.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 40d
We really need to stop saying shit like this.
The Constitution does not matter. Until conservatives, specifically Trump, are stopped, they are going to be fascists.
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 40d
That not a good reason to stop citing the constitution. The moment people stop doing that, then it's completely over. It's still beneficial to point it out so that people are genuinely aware. Also, federal judges have been shooting down Trump a lot recently. So yea, it does still matter.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 39d
We need to maintain the stance that the rules still exist and matter. They aren't being enforced, but if we hold on to them we can demand they get enforced in the future
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 39d
Exactly this. If there's any chance to right this ship, the constitution has to be part of the core of it. Now that old document definitely needs updated, but saying the constitution doesn't matter throws away all defense for the 1st and most important amendment. It's already been trampled on in some states, hence the comments saying the constitution doesn't matter, but conceding on the point of it mattering means conceding the fight.
Gaja0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 40d
It's not protecting us, it's a device to control us. The illusion of freedom let's them dog walk us. Maybe J6 fund got vetoed, palestine was still flattened along with a bunch of school girls using our taxes.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 40d
So we're supposed to not mention the constitution in order to stop conservatives? I would say make it make sense but it wouldn't be possible for it to make sense.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 36d
I'd put it differently. The Constitution is not self-enforcing. It doesn't have magic powers. That's why corrupt office-holders must be removed.
And if the corrective provisions to do that within the system are blocked, the people have to take appropriate and proportionate measures, as Jefferson and other founders wrote about.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 40d
Nope, actually it says that states get to run and regulate their own elections.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 36d
No, but the US Supreme Court will probably rule that nobody has standing to challenge presidential extortion like this as long as it's done for racist reasons.
Lemming6969@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 40d
Genuine question: Does it say that the federal post office cannot filter the mail? Or that state rules for delivering specific kinds of mail the federal post must abide?
santa@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 40d
It’s illegal. Postmaster should be removed.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 40d
Arrested
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 40d
Hanged.
WindyRebel@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 40d
Go postal?
billbasher@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 39d
No more federal taxes paid then. They’re breaking the constitution with corruption
bedifferent@mastodon.social · 2 pts · 39d
@billbasher @santa I've been seriously wondering about this because after this year, we're going to get hit hard ... f'ing balling room, arc de failure, war ...
billbasher@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 39d
If anyone is wondering how to do it, just tell your HR not to withhold federal income tax. Consequences can be large but if enough people do it they can’t audit everyone. I’d rather have it done at the state level. Like the fed has withheld benefits from my state blue and red parties so it’d be pretty easy to withhold and say ‘we are owed this’
bedifferent@mastodon.social · 2 pts · 38d
@billbasher No HR. This is between our CPA (or not :) ) and us. With protestors being tossed in jail in TX for a lifetime our lives are getting smaller and weighing risks got bigger.
I agree completely about seeing it done at the state level and evil has a was of getting around the nicer things in life.
ryper@lemmy.ca · 34 pts · 40d
Earlier this year the Supreme Court just happened to rule that USPS can't be sued for not delivering mail.
CentipedeFarrier@piefed.social · 24 pts · 40d
One more reason to drop the ballot in a drop box if one is available to you.
I’ve been voting absentee for years and have never returned it through the post.
Infinite@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 40d
It's the other direction. The ballot won't get to you to drop off.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 40d
States such as Washington allow you to print your ballot if it doesn't arrive in time.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 40d
Fucking scum.
Use ballot drop boxes instead.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 40d
Weren't tRump supporters burning them last go around?
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 40d
I mean, one or two, yes. But there are thousands of them, and now they have improved fire resistance because of those fires.
MrQuallzin@pie.eyeofthestorm.place · 4 pts · 40d
Sure, but how are you getting your ballot?
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 40d
WA state allows you to print your ballot if it doesn't arrive in time. I'm sure other states do as well.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 40d
The fix is in.
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 40d
Kill 'em all.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 40d
rhymeswithduck@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 40d
The Hill is a little behind on this one. The court just struck down the EO and said postal service must continue to deliver ballots. In the article, Steiner claims he's going to follow whatever the court decides, so let's hope that's the case.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 39d
They’ll deliver them late.
bedifferent@mastodon.social · 1 pts · 39d
@anon_8675309 @rhymeswithduck hahahaha! Maybe but sucking is as sucking does. Ugh ugh ugh
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 40d
IDK what we're going to do in Oregon :( that's the only way we can vote.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 40d
States need to create a system where the ballots are mailed in a plain manila envelope, then.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 40d
Oh, guys there's a correction coming in... No, they didn't *back. What they meant was *black. Big big difference. Theyre holding black people's vote, they're holding, Latino and Hispanic and Asian votes. Don't worry, they're not holding back the vote. That's crazy talk!
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 40d
So mail it in unmarked envelopes. Are you going to try to hold all mail for everyone? Or hold it to specific addresses?
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 39d
This sounds easiest
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 40d
The Fuckery Advances
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 39d
Florida is like the shining example that blows up their narrative. It has a successful mail in ballot program. And it’s also been under Republican control some 3 decades.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 39d
Florida also sucks tRump off, so they're probably first in line to share voter data
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 39d
Maybe. But that wasn’t my point.