Postmaster General David Steiner told a Senate committee Wednesday that, if a proposed rule is adopted, the U.S. Postal Service would withhold mail ballots from states that do not hand over to the federal government lists of people who have requested absentee or mail ballots.
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IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 112 pts · 51d
Personally, I'm curious how they intend to apply this to states like mine, where all ballots are mailed.
azimir@lemmy.ml · 55 pts · 51d
I presume the GOP will just appoint people to represent you. Don't worry, it'll be totally in your best interests, as decided by the rich people running the party.
Do you like being owned as farm equipment? Because that's what you get when right wingers take over.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 33 pts · 51d
My state is similar. The USPS were supposed to meet with state lawmakers this week, but cancelled last minute.
Hmmmmm.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 51d
Make sure the ACLU is there, just for expertise.
dreksob@feddit.online · 14 pts · 51d
They will just declare that Republicans won all the elections
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 51d
My prediction is that a lawsuit will go to a federal court, where they will strike this rule down based on Article I Section 4 of the Constitution.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 50d
They maybe fucked up by not waiting until closer to the election
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 51d
No votes for you.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 51d
Damn, your state doesn't even have drop boxes?
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 51d
Drop box does no good if the ballot is never delivered to you in the first place.
velma@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 51d
Just as a disclaimer: I believe that states that have 100% mail in voting allow you to print your ballot at home if it does not arrive in time. Washington State does.
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 51d
Oh, we do. I meant that all of the ballots get mailed to voters before the election. We can either mail them back (postage paid) or drop them off at drop boxes in every district. It's a pretty awesome system, but if the USPS refuses to deliver the ballots it could be a problem. The state would have to figure out some other way to distribute them. It would be a huge PITA (not to mention expense) and probably reduce voter turnout significantly.
lechatron@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 51d
In Oregon where we've been vote by mail since like the 90s you can still vote in person. But we don't really have the infrastructure to allow every voter to vote in person. If those ballots don't get mailed out I imagine most Oregonians just won't vote, and those that do are going to be stuck in never ending lines.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 51d
Does Oregon not allow you to print your ballot if it doesn't get delivered in time like WA?
JordanZ@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 50d
grue@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 51d
Asked and answered.
CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 51d
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 51d
Anyone supporting this should be hanged. Or guillotined. I'm ok with either.
plz1@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 51d
Both, in that order.
watson387@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 51d
Well, it wouldn't really work in the other order...
fonix232@fedia.io · 7 pts · 51d
Not with that attitude!
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 50d
There’s that good ol’ fashioned American ingenuity!
boaratio@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 51d
So...extortion? Got it.
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 51d
How in the fuck is this okay or legal?
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 50d
There's no difference between a law not existing and a law not enforced
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 50d
It's even worse actually, because the laws are selectively enforced. They become a cudgel
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 50d
My grandfather was a state trooper. His motto was "It's only a crime if you get convicted."
ACAB, BTW.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 50d
You need to move past your legacy definition of 'okay' and 'legal'. Those have shifted. We are not going back, unfortunately.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 50d
It's not
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 50d
Fascists with higher powers don't care about rules for themselves, the rules are only to keep people in check and to give something to the footsoldiers to believe in.
ironchico@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 50d
You guys completely missed it. The Supreme Court, months ago, ruled the postal service doesn’t have to deliver mail and can’t be sued for not delivering mail. It was over a long time ago. Americans are just too brainwashed to see what’s actually happening in their country.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 29 pts · 51d
Video of Postmaster General saying USPS won't send mail ballots to states that don't provide voter lists
https://lemmy.world/post/48632196
Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org · 27 pts · 51d
I wonder if they realize that blatantly breaking the law to serve the Cheeto-in-Chief will leave them all hanging out to dry.
Trump got rules in place to protect him from prosecution, all his idiots are still on the hook, and statue of limitations is longer than a presidential term ;)
NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 51d
Pardon pardon pardon pardon
HubertManne@piefed.social · 8 pts · 51d
didnt trump already normalize the revocation of pardons
YabbaDabbaDipshit@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 50d
And overusing exective orders.
It would be funny if the next guy signed one saying all of trumps executive orders are null. It won't happen because dems love this shit as much as republicans they just won't say it out loud.
rollerbang@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 50d
Afaik pardons can't be revoked?
darkmogool@feddit.org · 19 pts · 50d
Are there realy still people who thinks the USA is still a democracy?
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 51d
I would imagine that, in vote by mail states like mine, we would instantly have tens of thousands of volunteers going "Cool, cool... we'll hand deliver them. Fuck you USPS."
HubertManne@piefed.social · 2 pts · 51d
you can bring them to your voting place directly. thats what I did in the primary because he was already talking this trump.
village604@adultswim.fan · 4 pts · 51d
The problem is people getting them in the first place.
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 50d
holy trump. I did not even realize this was talking about them being sent out. My brain was thinking in terms of delivering them to the polling place. That is massively wack. The post office just won't deliver a particular mail.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 51d
Enemy Domestic
Bluedragon012@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 50d
The game is "do illigal action, ask for forgiveness/ make it legal later." Ok, we'll start killing the ultra rich and thier loyalist boot lickers, guards and pawns, and make it legal later then. :D
BlindPenguin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 50d
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 51d
https://newrepublic.com/post/212366/trump-mail-in-ballots-ruling-midterms-obama-judge
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 50d
I'm not american. Is there some other way they could be delivered without USPS? Do any states have their own postage system that could handle this?
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -31 pts · 51d
Cut the fucking USPS off the loop and put a voting system in place over the internet. We're a quarter century into the 21st ferchrissake...
gibmiser@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 51d
No. Honestly we should be going far as possible from computers so that tech bros can't rig the vote as easily. Paper ballots. With humans counting them. Sucks, but safer for democracy
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · -19 pts · 51d
I agree. But when the low-tech paper system is compromised, you need to move to something else everybody has. And in this day and age, that's a cellphone with an internet connection.
Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 51d
There is literally no known method of securing something as important as an election over the internet. So many attack vectors and has the ability to manipulate massive amounts of votes. Paper is the proper way to run an election and will be for the forseeable future.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 1 pts · 51d
Not when the dude in charge of delivering the paper works for a fascist regime it isn't, is my point.
I never said voting over the internet was a good option, I said it was the next least bad option when the snail mail service is compromised.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 50d
It's not though, it's just as bad if not worse
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 51d
This is an exceedingly bad idea.
That would drastically increase the attack surface for voter fraud. I can just see the Russian Malware now that shows you on your cell phone screen that your votes were cast for your candidates while the malware voted for its candidates instead. You'd never even know your vote was stolen.
grue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 51d
Election fraud. Not "voter" fraud. The former is when politicians/bureaucrats rig the system to cheat, whereas the latter is overwhelmingly a fictional boogeyman invented to spread FUD and/or misdirect attention away from the former.
dogslayeggs@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 51d
Yes, and I feel totally safe with that because nobody has figured out how to steal all the money from your phone-wallet just by walking by you with an NFC scanner, or figured out how to run viruses on your phone just by texting you an image, or figured out how to intercept and manipulate traffic from your phone, or figured out how to... I think you get the point. Anything electronic is easily manipulated.
If the low tech paper system is compromised, then the high tech system is even more easily compromised.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 51d
Hacked by 4-Chan in 3-2-1...
Alternately, ddosed by 4-Chan even faster.
naught@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 51d
I think of this Tom Scott video whenever this comes up:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LkH2r-sNjQs
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 51d
that would likely be run by the executive. I do think congress should move many departments to be under congress with it being clear the president is just a day to day manage. much like the ceo and board of directors thing.