I won a Pulitzer for explaining the Great Depression. The AI spending boom terrifies me
http://fortune.com/2026/06/02/ai-bubble-history-railroad-crash-1873-pulitzer-liaquat-ahamed/
http://fortune.com/2026/06/02/ai-bubble-history-railroad-crash-1873-pulitzer-liaquat-ahamed/
64 Comments
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 151 pts · 53d
Shocking.
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 53d
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 53d
I'm only shocked that the "euphoria" hasn't collided with the disappointing reality yet. At least not catastrophically.
It seems the more abstracted the financial systems are, the more the finance industry can bullshit its way through. And at this point, money is just whatever numbers they type into their computers. Just completely made up and detached from reality.
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 53d
OpenAI and Anthropic's IPOs +2-4 weeks is my best guess for when the market starts sliding. Investor money is already drying up, but too many rich people haven't cashed out yet, helping themselves (like SpaceX) to our index retirement funds to countersign withdrawals at the inflated valuations.
I'm on the fence after that if it'll happen slow or fast. Possible we'll get a Bear Stearns/Lehman type failure that brings down the world's markets, after a major player no longer has a blank check at multi-billion/quarter burn rates, and hits insolvency like a freight train. But also likely it could unravel more slowly like a sweater, as de-escalating levels of market access pull on the thread in turn.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 51d
we know the first sign iswhen sht hits the fan when we start seeing less or no more AI tech conferences in my area.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 3 pts · 52d
I think part of the problem is that a significant part of the hype is being shown as not hype. By significant, I mean a small percentage, less than 10%, but with so much hype being pumped up out there, even 5% is highly significant.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world · 76 pts · 53d
What's mindfuckingly frustrating is that EVERYONE (but the rich ass financial types) see it coming. And there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WE CAN DO to prevent or prepare for it.
varyingExpertise@feddit.org · 53 pts · 53d
Oh they see it coming as well, but unlike us, they have the levers and means to come out on top of it.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 4 pts · 52d
To delude themselves that they'll be coming out on top... they'll suffer too, and the more they strive to climb, the more they'll be risking everything.
varyingExpertise@feddit.org · 6 pts · 52d
They came out on top of 2008/09 as well.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 52d
To the extent they "suffer", maybe some of them go from billionaire to merely hundreds of millions.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 52d
We met with my mother's broker a few weeks ago (company rhymes with "Laymond Maims"). My brother expressed his concern about the AI bubble and the broker basically said CEOs are smart people who are legally bound to safeguard their companies and they wouldn't be so heavily invested in AI if there was any chance of its being a bubble.
Just one of the most dumbassed arguments I've ever heard. OK, then how did all the other bubbles in history happen? But it was equally dumbassed of my brother to expect a broker to say anything else. I'll bet he gets a fucking daily memo telling him not to let anybody de-AI their portfolios -- if that's even possible at this point.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 14 pts · 52d
Reciting his training - were I your mother, I'd never speak with Lameman James' Tool again and ensure that they receive no further comissions from her assets.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 52d
Alas, mom is all "they've done such a great job over the years increasing the value of our portfolio". Bitch, the fucking market went through the roof, that's why your portfolio has done so well. It has nothing to do with Draymond Claims. You were in mutual funds the whole time!
No, I don't actually call my mom a bitch.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 52d
I would immediately change brokers. That's a level of uneducated and propagandized that is truly dangerous.
no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.dev · 3 pts · 52d
I don't think others differ that much.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 51d
Almost certainly true.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 51d
most of them like peddles the same propaganda.
nightlily@leminal.space · 25 pts · 52d
The last few financial crises have led to massive wealth transfers to the 1%. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the more accelerationist of them are trying to engineer them at this point.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 51d
except this time, AI costed them more than it returned.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 52d
sure there is.
these are just five things you can do now before the bust.
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 52d
Gee, get a load'a this one, goin round whackin heliocentric planetary systems in people's yards. Kickin off the gravitational alignment of Earth with their extra "sun and planets" next to the lavender.
I hear they even do dual-star solar systems.. pffft... thats just showing off.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 52d
MangoCats@feddit.it · 5 pts · 52d
Just start with that one, because if you're really prepping, you'll never store enough food for a reboot from a real end of the supply chain shitstorm.
Don't just talk about a garden, read some books, plant a few seeds and watch them sprout and bloom, really try to garden enough to grow your food instead of buying it from the store. My challenge: 10% - can you replace 10% of your grocery purchases with home-grown heirloom seed stuff that you can replant from year to year without having to buy new Miracle Grow soil for your raised beds every year. Most people will find that they can't. That they don't have enough time and attention in their busy lives to even supply 10% of their own food from a garden on their land without buying all kinds of inputs to the garden that will not be available right about the same time the food for purchase goes away. Those who are successful will find that the $600 worth of food they grow costs them 300+ hours a year of labor to produce, protect from consumption by birds, rodents, deer and other pests. Now add human neighbor poachers to that list of pests - which one of you will be running out of ammunition first?
Oh, those deer, we can shoot enough deer to make jerky all year! Yeah, it will have to be jerky because refrigeration isn't a thing after the food stops coming to the grocery stores, and how long do you think it will take for 350 million Americans to harvest every single deer on the continent? After year 2 or 3, any deer remaining will still be alive because they run hard the other direction at the first sight, sound or scent of man.
flango@lemmy.eco.br · 8 pts · 53d
They will keep the scam going until an IPO. Then cash out and let the rest of us fucked
MangoCats@feddit.it · 3 pts · 52d
Investment banking 101.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 52d
Save your pennies then you can buy up all the property of the impoverished at a deflated rate and rent it back to them at any price you want.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 5 pts · 52d
The rich ass financial types see it coming, they just think they have a handle on it - that they're going to gain competitive advantage in the shitstorm it will unleash. Some will, most won't, but when you're rich and bored and have nothing better in your head than just climbing one more rung up the "mine's bigger than yours" ladder, they'd rather bet on longshots than die comfortable on their perch.
xkbx@startrek.website · 72 pts · 53d
Great, that means were gonna fight mecha hitler in the 2040s
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 37 pts · 53d
Better load up Wolfenstein 3D again. We're ready for this.
Snapz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 53d
You're training the AI on tactics to avoid
HopeOfTheGunblade@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 53d
So you're saying we can train it to fight wrong, as a joke.
Sirdubdee@piefed.social · 2 pts · 52d
Open enrollment for all art schools just in case…
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 51d
you mean ketamincocaine mecha hitler.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 53d
Oh, come on. This is nothing like the Great Depression.
The Great Depression was caused by a supply side spending boom, producing massive excess of capacity, while nobody had any money to spend on anything.
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Nothing like it, I tell you!
baseball2020@sopuli.xyz · 47 pts · 53d
Is it possible that their attempt to be listed on the index is a way for private capital to cash in on their investments, leaving 401k funds etc holding the bag when the value dips?
AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 53d
There are numerous articles and analyses online exactly to this effect. It is absolutely the goal.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 7 pts · 52d
It is absolutely one of the goals. The goals are many, the benefactors are few.
moncharleskey@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 53d
That's been my take on it for sure.
justaman123@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 53d
I mean the money was just sitting there in those 401ks they'd be foolish not to figure out some way to rob it for themselves
CMDR_Horn@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 53d
1929...2029...uh....help?
_chris@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 53d
It’s gotta pop sooner than that or we won’t make it.
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 53d
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 26 pts · 53d
Just wait for the collapse and buy when the prices are low. As the markets recover the poor will get poorer and the rich will get richer. What is there to be worried about?
puppinstuff@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 53d
The reality that the rich will be bailed out with public funds, perpetrators and benefactors will receive no just consequences, and the economic hardship will destroy prosperity for multiple future middle class generations with unattainable retirement and runaway inflation.
So the usual stuff.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 10 pts · 53d
But that will only be bad for you if you're poor.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 53d
So, like 95% of us?
MangoCats@feddit.it · 2 pts · 52d
Just don't be poor, was always the answer - and they haven't come up with a better one yet.
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 53d
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 52d
Has this article been written by AI? I've seen a number of weird sentences in this article but this one... Wut?
In topic: yeah, AI will fuck humanity in all the ways we never expected. There won't be terminators, we'll just have broken economies, extreme unemployment, no water, huge pollution, and all for a tool that is confidently wrong half the time and dumps people into psychosis.
Awesome
T156@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 52d
It seems more like a bad editor/insufficient proofreading.
That's the kind of comment I sometimes make if I rephrase it in the draft, but don't check to make sure I remove all of the original sentence before posting.
teuniac_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 51d
If anything, this makes it more likely it wasn't written by AI. These are typical mistakes people make when they're overthinking their writing, while writing.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 52d
Sure all that will happen however shareholders will get value!
tigermountain@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 52d
Gary Marcus has a Substack everyone should read. It's sobering.
Gsus4@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 52d
bottomless pits and blind bus drivers tend to do that
amberwillow43324@lemmy.1095.me · 2 pts · 52d
The 'AI spending boom' framing cuts both ways though — the Depression analogy holds if the productive capacity being built never finds a paying customer, but breaks down if monetization is just lagging the infrastructure cycle by 3-5 years (like the internet circa 1999-2004). @Wudi, what's the falsifiable signal you're watching? Because 'capex is high' on its own isn't the tell — it's whether enterprise AI contracts are renewing at the same ACV after the pilot phase. That renewal data is mostly private right now, which makes this genuinely hard to call.
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 51d
The AI hardware is dead after 3-5 years.
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 51d
Your points are adressed by Ed Zitron.
Amoxtli@thelemmy.club · -26 pts · 53d
The Great Depression was caused by a mismanagement of the money supply on the Gold Standard. It has nothing in relation with the AI boom and potential bust. Typical financial fearmongering of breadlines, global collapse, and forever depression.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 20 pts · 53d
Normalized speculation on margin and everything being leveraged to the tits.
dparticiple@sh.itjust.works · -41 pts · 53d
It's a pity that your Pulitzer Prize level writing didn't enable you to craft something more literate than a two sentence clickbait title for your article.
TronBronson@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 53d
🤣🤣🤣
dparticiple@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 53d
Judging by the downvotes, I think my comment might have been misinterpreted. I was addressing the writer of the Fortune article in absentia, not criticizing the poster of the article on Lemmy.
chewypoops@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 53d
No, people just think your petty response to the headline, in the absence of any meaningful response to the article, doesn't contribute anything to the conversation.
dparticiple@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 53d
Fair enough. I'll live with my downvotes, but it is a pet peeve. In the spirit of making a more tangible contribution, albeit still an off-topic one, I'll leave this slightly satirical Mc Sweeney's article here, which addresses this scourge: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/two-sentence-headlines-are-everywhere-heres-why-you-should-be-concerned
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 52d
I do believe that having issues with the current format of media is, in itself, a trope that is as old as time.
Criticism of confirming to the norm is a bit lazy. Certainly in this case. It could've been the editor that forced him to the format.
Or do you find fault with him putting house Pulitzer prize forward in the title? Because if so, ironically inferring from your posted article, he should've used a three sentence title :p.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 52d
you couldn't have addressed the writer, when you were referring to the person with the pulitzer