Well, what am I supposed to label you as? The lady got Calgary and the guy got Ottawa. Are you claiming all of Canada? Making your label "Guy from the entirety of Canada"
I'd argue that one of the main issues with the Fediverse is mostly just that interaction counts don't federate properly. Mastodon made some good steps there recently, but it's still not there Fediverse-wide.
My Lemmy client, for instance, says this post only has 12 comments and 71 upvotes, but if you look at it on the instance it was posted on, it's actually much more. This, of course, makes the Fediverse appear to be much less popular than it actually is. Which scares away new users immensely.
That's likely an Mbin issue. Ernst, the creator of the original product Kbin before it got forked and taken over as Mbin, made a confusing decision to have both upvotes and boosts together, and not just on the microblog (Mastodon) side with magazines but even side-by-side also on the Threadiverse with communities. So when you press the "upvote"... I forget which action even occurs - upvoting vs. boosting. Sorting by votes also gets very wonky.
And yes, all those weird design decisions very much scare people away from Mbin: the largest Mbin instance has only <500 active accounts and all Mbin instances combined have mere hundreds of users. For comparison, the flagship PieFed instance has >1k users, the NSFW one has twice that, and Lemmy.world alone has >13k!!!
Honestly I have no idea how all this works, it seems very confusing. But luckily I don't need to understand it to use it lol. I just picked the Australia zone because I live there
But which upvote type - boosts or votes? Why do boosts exist at all then, if they don't "boost" anything? I thought I remembered (granted it's been a couple of years since I migrated from Reddit to kbin.social) that it was boosts, and it was upvotes that existed but were irrelevant? (If so, but not anymore, then how and why was that changed?)
Not that you need to answer every one of these - I'm just sharing my confusion, which many people seem to also share.
Upvotes are what lemmy posts are supposed to be ranked by, posts with more upvotes are ranked on the trending pages. While boosts like on Mastodon are for federation, boosting a post pushes it from one instance/network to other instances/networks -- if the booster is one another instance/network.
Thank you for the explanation. That seems all the more confusing then to see boosts done for threaded posts in communities, like is that even comparable to microblog emissions or whatever they are called in magazines, or is it a whole other thing.
People want - and demand - simplicity, or else they seek it out even at the expense of remaining on corporate social media.
Some instances intentionally filter out votes such as non-humans, fuckin nazis, and also fuckin Tankies, so I expect at least a little variance in numbers.
Also if you are capitalism supporter, angry socialists will down vote you to oblivion. You're either with them or you're witch to be hunted and burned on stake
Votes don’t do anything on the fediverse so don’t be afraid to speak your mind. If you get downvoted, nobody really cares. I’d rather be downvoted than have my post sit at 1 score with no replies. At least then I know people bothered to read it.
You should add your @ and see how many convert by giving you a follow. I heard about lemmy almost 3 years ago around the Reddit third party API controversy and made the jump. Hated the Reddit app and haven't been back.
eh i don't like having personal followers. (on lemmy that's also not possible). it's more about wanting to have people to actually meaningfully discuss with.
I don't think you should waste your time with FiniteBanjo. You can find how evil he is when talking about for example the USA deadly sanctions on Cuba like this . Also denying facts about the minab school he tried to spread the lie that it may be the regime that bombed that school
He is as bad as tankies
While there are many good differences that Piefed implements, its heavy-handed use of built-in content blocks is concerning. Arguments have been made that such features are merely a default option that can be changed by other instances, but aside from the dominance of piefed.social, many instance owners are unlikely to change most default settings.
Tbf, a TON of information surrounding that issue turned out to be false. Though at its core you may be correct - and yet the same is also true of Lemmy?
Especially in the past, like when Lemmy at first hard-coded a slur word filter (in English no less), and in response Nutomic told people that... well, read for yourself:
If you dont like it, fork it. Stop bothering us about it, we will never fully remove the slur filter.
(Though they later relented.)
PieFed is not perfectly administered (Rimu admitted this, and stepped back from being the sole leader of the project), and neither is Lemmy. Both are imperfect software tools, both offered as FOSS. Yay - we all win with that philosophy!!
At the end of the day though, if someone is relying upon a free instance service, then it is up to those instance admins to decide their policies, while your only choice is which one you will be beholden to. This too is not different from how Lemmy works, though one difference is in how extremely FAST PieFed develops new features, and also in how responsive the devs are. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to move, but objectively speaking I don't see Lemmy passing any purity tests more often than PieFed - especially given how it is way easier to install a personal PieFed instance than a Lemmy one.
As most users (myself included) would rather join an established instance than spin up their own, ultimately I think whichever platform has the least friction for migrating Redditors is best.
Different people might prefer one or the other for different reasons, so as long as both can coexist and hopefully gradually adopt feature parity, the main focus should be growing the Threadiverse as a whole at the expense of Reddit.
Redditors, who are primarily USA Christian centrists, will never join someplace where extremists are constantly calling for Luigi-ing everyone in any Western civilizations.
Try it: make an account on lemmy.ml and use it for a day, and make an account on a PieFed instance and do the same. The feature differences are enormous - as too are those that you do not readily see, such as the fact that moderator reports actually federate on one of those two platforms but not the other (tbf they will eventually in an upcoming release).
You will be pleasantly surprised at the outcome if do this experiment.
I block Lemmy.ml, so I wouldn't create an account on there anyhow. While I think most new users would be better suited on an instance that defederates from Lemmygrad and Hexbear, the substantial userbase of lemmy.ml makes it better to block it instead so that its users can still interact in non-.ml communities and avoid splintering the Threadiverse needlessly.
In any case, what's most important is not focusing on what makes Lemmy, Piefed, and Mbin better or worse than each other, but how to make them all collectively better and make every effort to recruit as many new users from Reddit as possible. Most Redditors won't join, but even 0.01% of them doing so (44,380 users) would double the size of the Threadiverse.
Instead of raging about something you're powerless to change, why not just block those instances you dislike and never have to worry about them again?
Or, as you said all instances, you could delete your account and touch some grass for a bit.
All of us, at times, need a break from the internet. Even if we don't realise it yet. Maybe now it's your time and we'll see you later, when/if you return?
Because they just want to attack people they don't agree with, or are mean to democrats and Republicans. Or just point out how much they're pro killing those deemed enemies by the USA.
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Fedizen@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 82d
You're not trapped here with me, I'm trapped here with you.
kamenlady@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 82d
We're all trapped in this together.
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 82d
It's been years now, and I still haven't found the exit.
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 82d
Backrooms of Lemmy
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
Lemmingrooms
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 81d
🎵walkin the line, between beans and corn🎵
GarboDog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 81d
This made us uncontrollably laugh hahaha 😂 thank you
AvocadoCumToast@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 82d
DOZENS +1
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 82d
No sorry, we just lost old Tommy, and nobody knows if Violet survived last Friday night.
phanto@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 82d
As a Canadian on Lemmy, I keep running in to the same couple of people... Hi, lady from Calgary, and guy from Ottawa! Nice to see you again!
meta4@retrolemmy.com · 7 pts · 81d
Well, what am I supposed to label you as? The lady got Calgary and the guy got Ottawa. Are you claiming all of Canada? Making your label "Guy from the entirety of Canada"
phanto@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 81d
I am! I'm guy from all of Canada! I haven't been to Yukon.
AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 80d
Henceforth, you shall be known as the guy not from Yukon.
phanto@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 80d
I went to high school with a guy we called Yukon Jan. (Jan is pronounced Yawn.) I wonder how he's doing...
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 81d
I don't know if you mean me but I'm a guy from Ottawa and it's nice to see you too!
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 82d
Prathas@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 81d
What's this from?
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 81d
Arrested development most likely.
toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org · 23 pts · 82d
I'd argue that one of the main issues with the Fediverse is mostly just that interaction counts don't federate properly. Mastodon made some good steps there recently, but it's still not there Fediverse-wide.
My Lemmy client, for instance, says this post only has 12 comments and 71 upvotes, but if you look at it on the instance it was posted on, it's actually much more. This, of course, makes the Fediverse appear to be much less popular than it actually is. Which scares away new users immensely.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 13 pts · 82d
That's likely an Mbin issue. Ernst, the creator of the original product Kbin before it got forked and taken over as Mbin, made a confusing decision to have both upvotes and boosts together, and not just on the microblog (Mastodon) side with magazines but even side-by-side also on the Threadiverse with communities. So when you press the "upvote"... I forget which action even occurs - upvoting vs. boosting. Sorting by votes also gets very wonky.
And yes, all those weird design decisions very much scare people away from Mbin: the largest Mbin instance has only <500 active accounts and all Mbin instances combined have mere hundreds of users. For comparison, the flagship PieFed instance has >1k users, the NSFW one has twice that, and Lemmy.world alone has >13k!!!
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 81d
Honestly I have no idea how all this works, it seems very confusing. But luckily I don't need to understand it to use it lol. I just picked the Australia zone because I live there
inkblade@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 81d
It is suppose to be ranked by upvotes.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 5 pts · 81d
But which upvote type - boosts or votes? Why do boosts exist at all then, if they don't "boost" anything? I thought I remembered (granted it's been a couple of years since I migrated from Reddit to kbin.social) that it was boosts, and it was upvotes that existed but were irrelevant? (If so, but not anymore, then how and why was that changed?)
Not that you need to answer every one of these - I'm just sharing my confusion, which many people seem to also share.
inkblade@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 81d
Upvotes are what lemmy posts are supposed to be ranked by, posts with more upvotes are ranked on the trending pages. While boosts like on Mastodon are for federation, boosting a post pushes it from one instance/network to other instances/networks -- if the booster is one another instance/network.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 1 pts · 81d
Thank you for the explanation. That seems all the more confusing then to see boosts done for threaded posts in communities, like is that even comparable to microblog emissions or whatever they are called in magazines, or is it a whole other thing.
People want - and demand - simplicity, or else they seek it out even at the expense of remaining on corporate social media.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 0 pts · 81d
Some instances intentionally filter out votes such as non-humans, fuckin nazis, and also fuckin Tankies, so I expect at least a little variance in numbers.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 2 pts · 81d
Some instances also filter out trolls. Oddly enough, not all do that though...
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 0 pts · 81d
Oh! Another big one would be Threads users. Some instances completely block FaceBook Threads.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 2 pts · 81d
Yes, although actually I am not aware of any instances that have NOT done this, even like a year or more before it needed done.
CareHare@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 81d
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 80d
If it's any consolation, there are more of us than there were at Pussolini's "state fair."
Stormy@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 80d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 80d
I HOPE it lasts for a month.
aguasemgas@lemmy.eco.br · 9 pts · 80d
"Most of us don't usually post, but the one who does carry the entertainment for us, feel free to look wherever you like."
lime@feddit.nu · 9 pts · 82d
why are you cross-posting a year-old post?
pseudo@jlai.lu · 7 pts · 82d
Because it is fun.
dil@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 82d
I've seen more than a few now
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 7 pts · 81d
Theres pie!
fed
c0dezer0@programming.dev · 2 pts · 81d
mesamunefire@piefed.social · 5 pts · 81d
Its a joke. Piefed. Pie-fed.
lacethespace@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 82d
I enjoyed this so much more as it was at 24 upvotes when I came upon it. Just barely qualifies for plural of dozen.
pseudo@jlai.lu · 3 pts · 82d
If you want, I could use my dozen alt account to boost it up ;-)
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 81d
Hail comrades, now show us your cat pictures.
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 80d
John, Mike, Greg, Philip, Crystal, and I try. Looking for six more to make this someone accurate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
What are we rating this blunt rotation?
federatedmind@sfba.social · 5 pts · 82d
@FoxtrotDeltaTango there's actually dozens more - but just like on reddit, they are lurkers 😆
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 81d
Also if you are capitalism supporter, angry socialists will down vote you to oblivion. You're either with them or you're witch to be hunted and burned on stake
TORFdot0@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 81d
Votes don’t do anything on the fediverse so don’t be afraid to speak your mind. If you get downvoted, nobody really cares. I’d rather be downvoted than have my post sit at 1 score with no replies. At least then I know people bothered to read it.
nitroemdash@lemmy.wtf · 4 pts · 81d
That's concentrated on .ml instances
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 81d
White font on grey background is not friendly.
AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
The grey is a substitute for transparency.
Here is how the image looks on clicking it:
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
Tens of tens
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 3 pts · 80d
how do we get more? i made stickers
i already handed out 50 or sth.
Aneb@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 80d
You should add your @ and see how many convert by giving you a follow. I heard about lemmy almost 3 years ago around the Reddit third party API controversy and made the jump. Hated the Reddit app and haven't been back.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 2 pts · 80d
eh i don't like having personal followers. (on lemmy that's also not possible). it's more about wanting to have people to actually meaningfully discuss with.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 80d
Make one post feel like it's got a thousand lurkers
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 82d
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -13 pts · 82d
Honestly all the Lemmy instances could shut off permanently tomorrow and I would be cool with that. Fuck those tankies on ML.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 82d
Most Lemmy instances are not pro-tankie.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 81d
I don't think you should waste your time with FiniteBanjo. You can find how evil he is when talking about for example the USA deadly sanctions on Cuba like this . Also denying facts about the minab school he tried to spread the lie that it may be the regime that bombed that school He is as bad as tankies
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 81d
Careful, pointing out the stuff like that makes you a dirty tankie in their eyes.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -2 pts · 81d
Almost all Lemmy instances throw up a seasonal banner begging users to fund tankies like Dessalines and the ML instance.
Because the Lemmy platform is developed by those Tankies and they push it in updates.
Piefed has been around for a while now, there is no longer a good reason to stay on Lemmy.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 81d
While there are many good differences that Piefed implements, its heavy-handed use of built-in content blocks is concerning. Arguments have been made that such features are merely a default option that can be changed by other instances, but aside from the dominance of piefed.social, many instance owners are unlikely to change most default settings.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 1 pts · 81d
Tbf, a TON of information surrounding that issue turned out to be false. Though at its core you may be correct - and yet the same is also true of Lemmy?
Especially in the past, like when Lemmy at first hard-coded a slur word filter (in English no less), and in response Nutomic told people that... well, read for yourself:
(Though they later relented.)
PieFed is not perfectly administered (Rimu admitted this, and stepped back from being the sole leader of the project), and neither is Lemmy. Both are imperfect software tools, both offered as FOSS. Yay - we all win with that philosophy!!
At the end of the day though, if someone is relying upon a free instance service, then it is up to those instance admins to decide their policies, while your only choice is which one you will be beholden to. This too is not different from how Lemmy works, though one difference is in how extremely FAST PieFed develops new features, and also in how responsive the devs are. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to move, but objectively speaking I don't see Lemmy passing any purity tests more often than PieFed - especially given how it is way easier to install a personal PieFed instance than a Lemmy one.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 81d
As most users (myself included) would rather join an established instance than spin up their own, ultimately I think whichever platform has the least friction for migrating Redditors is best.
Different people might prefer one or the other for different reasons, so as long as both can coexist and hopefully gradually adopt feature parity, the main focus should be growing the Threadiverse as a whole at the expense of Reddit.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 2 pts · 81d
They will never reach feature parity.
Redditors, who are primarily USA Christian centrists, will never join someplace where extremists are constantly calling for Luigi-ing everyone in any Western civilizations.
Try it: make an account on lemmy.ml and use it for a day, and make an account on a PieFed instance and do the same. The feature differences are enormous - as too are those that you do not readily see, such as the fact that moderator reports actually federate on one of those two platforms but not the other (tbf they will eventually in an upcoming release).
You will be pleasantly surprised at the outcome if do this experiment.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 81d
I block Lemmy.ml, so I wouldn't create an account on there anyhow. While I think most new users would be better suited on an instance that defederates from Lemmygrad and Hexbear, the substantial userbase of lemmy.ml makes it better to block it instead so that its users can still interact in non-.ml communities and avoid splintering the Threadiverse needlessly.
In any case, what's most important is not focusing on what makes Lemmy, Piefed, and Mbin better or worse than each other, but how to make them all collectively better and make every effort to recruit as many new users from Reddit as possible. Most Redditors won't join, but even 0.01% of them doing so (44,380 users) would double the size of the Threadiverse.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 81d
It wasn't but sure.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 81d
kibblebits@quokk.au · 7 pts · 82d
It’s all just one really serious person.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 81d
Regardless of your views about the .ml folk, the vast majority of Lemmy users and instances aren’t .ml
Are you familiar with the phrase “to cut your nose off to spite your face”?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -5 pts · 81d
ML is actively maintaining Lemmy. They built it, they own it. It ain't my fucking face, sorry if you feel so attached to it.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 81d
Well, duh… now explain to me how .ml’s software is communising or influencing my comments.
Edit: I am most grateful to our supreme leader and chief dev, comrade Desalines (sp?)
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 0 pts · 81d
Well, it isn't because Tankies aren't real communists, they're authoritarians who worship Putin and Xi and promote Trump.
If you don't see how enabling them to perform psyops is harmful then skill issue.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 81d
Should there be a double negative in that first sentence?
Thanks for our chat, I’m off to read more political theory now. /s
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -1 pts · 80d
No double negatives, I'll break it down for you:
It isn't [pushing communism]
Because
Tankies aren't real communists
toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org · 5 pts · 82d
Try not to be too cynical.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -1 pts · 81d
Tankies wish us all immediate harm, I will never tolerate them.
From Russia's war in Ukraine to China helping reelect Donald Trump, they are evil to their core.
Zombie@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 82d
Instead of raging about something you're powerless to change, why not just block those instances you dislike and never have to worry about them again?
Or, as you said all instances, you could delete your account and touch some grass for a bit.
All of us, at times, need a break from the internet. Even if we don't realise it yet. Maybe now it's your time and we'll see you later, when/if you return?
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · -1 pts · 81d
Because they just want to attack people they don't agree with, or are mean to democrats and Republicans. Or just point out how much they're pro killing those deemed enemies by the USA.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -1 pts · 81d
You've already outed yourself as a Tankie, don't pretend you dont support the GOP now.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 81d
Thank you for proving the point of just being a hateful account.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -2 pts · 80d
Tolerance ends with the intolerant.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 80d
As you continue to be with the intolerant?
Btw the comments in this thread are not making any case presented by your account look good
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -2 pts · 80d
Lmao this fuckin tankie hit me with the "no u" how will I ever recover?
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · -1 pts · 81d
EDIT: You're clearly confused. I am on Piefed not Lemmy.
Oh, we're far from powerless. The quarantine of the Tankie Triad has been very successful, as will the move to Piefed.
Because people like me speak up, because the instance admins are aware of the problem and willing to make the needed changes.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 4 pts · 82d
If I get rounded up and thrown into a concentration camp because of their shit, I'm going to be pissed 😡.