And you think wrestling is the space where artful stunts are happening? Be for real.
Kitsch isn't an insult. A lot of things we love are kitsch. It's just a designator between that which used the techniques and skills of art to create that which entertains but does not meet the trappings of art. Hubble miniatures are kitsch. Most sitcoms are kitsch. And wrestling is absolutely, 100% kitsch.
But you're basically saying "I've never seen a good example of pro wrestling being art, so it must not exist."
If it's not your thing, that's fine, but going out of your way to say "this entire genre is actually lesser than REAL art" is pretty silly. It's judgemental and also pretty close minded. It's what I used to do as a teenager.
What is the subtextual message of wrestling? What greater point of the human condition does it point to?
Saying fast food isn't haute cuisine isn't being close-minded, it's being accurate. Same shit applies here.
You aren't being open minded, you're lacking discernment.
And again, this isn't even a value assessment. I'm not going to lie, I personally think wrestling is stupid, but I'm not insulting it by calling it kitsch. We all love tons of things that are kitsch; kitsch is not a negative. It's just not art, holy fucking shit, people.
Interestingly enough, I know multiple queer fans of wrestling. They enjoy the storylines despite the cheese factor and appreciate the skill involved in a lot of the moves, considering it as its own kind of performance art. Like maybe you're not winning any Oscars for selling moves, but when you look at things like the Tombstone Piledriver, which are so difficult to pull off both convincingly and safely that use was restricted for a while to just two wrestlers, I can understand that.
I have, however, never encountered a single wrestling fan who did not hate Vince McMahon's guts.
There's minimal plot to explain why the guy in a leather banana hammock is mad at the guy in a spandex banana hammock and vest. If you've never been to a ballet, other than the ring, the set, and not singing the interludes, very little is different.
I honestly love the athleticism. Though, I prefer watching the ladies jump around.
Their outfits are more interesting, anyway.
This is exactly how I tend to think about it. It’s like the plot in fighting games. It’s just used to ferry the audience from one fight to the next. The actual pretext doesn’t really matter that much, because that’s not why the audience is there. The amount of sheer athleticism that gets displayed on a weekly basis is honestly astounding.
Sure, pro wrestling is fake. But there is no way to fake a hit like this. The fact that those men didn’t leave on stretchers puts them on par with stuntmen.
I think it takes asking the question of "what is fake and what's not?" Jumping off the top of the ropes onto a folding table isn't fake. The reasons why, sure.
I always describe the Royal Rumble as 30 men in bathing suits pretending to fight each other and to this point no one has ever told me that this doesn't at least somewhat sound entertaining.
with the sate of things in american pro wrestling today, it really should be banned. also Vince should be locked up. only THEN we can work on prison abolition after that.
Wrestling is just failed stuntmen performing stories written by failed screenwriters. I judge wrestling fans the exact same as I judge people who recreationally eat glue.
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its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 68 pts · 55d
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 61 pts · 55d
Meanwhile
WrathEnchanter@europe.pub · 6 pts · 54d
MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website · 49 pts · 55d
Source: I once did some contract work on a WWE video game and experienced a slice of its fandom.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 29 pts · 55d
Watching sweaty roided up men groping each other for hours on end? You do you ;-)
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 55d
Did you just say that you think I'm into you?
Norin@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 55d
There is a very large gay wrestling audience.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 55d
Gay-wrestling or gay, wrestling audience lol
MrScruff@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 55d
Yes
Norin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 54d
Both, homie. Look at the love story behind Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi, or the whole career of Timeless Toni Storm.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 55d
Pro wrestling isn’t a sport, it’s a performance art.
frog@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 55d
Live stuntmen that act sometimes.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 55d
I used to love shonen and hate pro wrestling but had a friend who loved it.
After giving it a fair shake, I gotta admit it's the same damn thing, and I was a muppet.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 55d
Performance kitsch, let's not sully the word "art" unnecessarily here
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 55d
The plots are shit, the acting is over the top, but let’s not pretend prat falls and false punches can’t be art when done well.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 55d
And you think wrestling is the space where artful stunts are happening? Be for real.
Kitsch isn't an insult. A lot of things we love are kitsch. It's just a designator between that which used the techniques and skills of art to create that which entertains but does not meet the trappings of art. Hubble miniatures are kitsch. Most sitcoms are kitsch. And wrestling is absolutely, 100% kitsch.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 55d
So if it’s popular it’s not art.
People like you are why Ferraris aren’t in art museums.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 55d
Tons of popular things are art. Nothing I said suggested otherwise.
TheSambassador@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 55d
But you're basically saying "I've never seen a good example of pro wrestling being art, so it must not exist."
If it's not your thing, that's fine, but going out of your way to say "this entire genre is actually lesser than REAL art" is pretty silly. It's judgemental and also pretty close minded. It's what I used to do as a teenager.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 54d
What is the subtextual message of wrestling? What greater point of the human condition does it point to?
Saying fast food isn't haute cuisine isn't being close-minded, it's being accurate. Same shit applies here.
You aren't being open minded, you're lacking discernment.
And again, this isn't even a value assessment. I'm not going to lie, I personally think wrestling is stupid, but I'm not insulting it by calling it kitsch. We all love tons of things that are kitsch; kitsch is not a negative. It's just not art, holy fucking shit, people.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 55d
What part of this isnt art to you?
I still don't know whether it is supposed to be comedy or not, but thats a separate discussion
Vespair@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 54d
What fucking part of that is art? Do you people just think that all media is automatically art?
It is okay to be entertained, have fun. Just don't put your fun entertainment in the same category as The fucking Odyssey or a goddamn Rothko.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 54d
Gate keeping art is as old as art itself.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 54d
So is not getting it.
NONE_dc@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 55d
"You know those aren't real fights, right? That it's all fake?"
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 55d
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 55d
Didn't the coward delete the post and tried to play it off as some kind of joke once people pointed out how fucked up the whole Trump Clan is?
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 16 pts · 55d
Sir, do you mean to say that Hornswoggle is not REALLY a leprechaun, or that he isn't really the illegitimate son of Vince McMahon?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 55d
No, just that the punches are fake. They surround it with all that other real stuff to lend it legitimacy.
shweddy@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 55d
If wrestling is fake explain how Mae young gave birth to a mannequin hand in her 70s
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 55d
Kegels.
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 55d
What did it originally say?
MrKoyun@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 55d
socsa@piefed.social · 8 pts · 55d
It's even better when you notice it maid Shinji
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 54d
GET IN THE FUCKING MAID UNIFORM SHINJI!
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 55d
Thank you!
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 55d
Don't mind me, imma just subscribe to this comment by replying
pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 55d
Interestingly enough, I know multiple queer fans of wrestling. They enjoy the storylines despite the cheese factor and appreciate the skill involved in a lot of the moves, considering it as its own kind of performance art. Like maybe you're not winning any Oscars for selling moves, but when you look at things like the Tombstone Piledriver, which are so difficult to pull off both convincingly and safely that use was restricted for a while to just two wrestlers, I can understand that.
I have, however, never encountered a single wrestling fan who did not hate Vince McMahon's guts.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 54d
I always thought of it like porn.
There's minimal plot to explain why the guy in a leather banana hammock is mad at the guy in a spandex banana hammock and vest. If you've never been to a ballet, other than the ring, the set, and not singing the interludes, very little is different.
I honestly love the athleticism. Though, I prefer watching the ladies jump around. Their outfits are more interesting, anyway.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 54d
This is exactly how I tend to think about it. It’s like the plot in fighting games. It’s just used to ferry the audience from one fight to the next. The actual pretext doesn’t really matter that much, because that’s not why the audience is there. The amount of sheer athleticism that gets displayed on a weekly basis is honestly astounding.
Sure, pro wrestling is fake. But there is no way to fake a hit like this. The fact that those men didn’t leave on stretchers puts them on par with stuntmen.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 54d
I think it takes asking the question of "what is fake and what's not?" Jumping off the top of the ropes onto a folding table isn't fake. The reasons why, sure.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 55d
Everyone I know into pro wrestling is one of the gayest people I know.
Granted, nearly everyone I know is pretty gay...
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 55d
I always describe the Royal Rumble as 30 men in bathing suits pretending to fight each other and to this point no one has ever told me that this doesn't at least somewhat sound entertaining.
texture@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 55d
with the sate of things in american pro wrestling today, it really should be banned. also Vince should be locked up. only THEN we can work on prison abolition after that.
architect@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 54d
Watch AEW not WWE
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 55d
Watching them that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks
Will never not be fun though
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 54d
This is fake and gay.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 55d
Don't tell them about your award winning target shooting career. Hoo wee
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 54d
Shit was hella funny during the Degeneration X years.
Vespair@lemmy.zip · -9 pts · 55d
Wrestling is just failed stuntmen performing stories written by failed screenwriters. I judge wrestling fans the exact same as I judge people who recreationally eat glue.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 55d
Commenting is just failed writers posting comments written by failed writers. I write comments and judge writers of failed comments by writers. Comments.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 55d
And thus a new copypasta was born. Be free, little one!