It is pretty funny how conservative media will sometimes accidentally paint good people as heros by saying things they think are bad but 80% of Americans support. This one is about as stupid as Obama's tan suit.
Y'all know that stereotype about how "black people can't swim?" That came about because, back in the day, cities were being forced to racially-integrate their swimming pools and a lot of them spitefully chose to close them instead. (And then the wealthier white people regained access by buying memberships to private pools, possibly attached to their new swim/tennis subdivision they'd just moved to as a result of white flight. The net result is that White Americans are more likely than Black Americans to have the opportunity to learn to swim, to this day.)
Just something to think about in this thread about the New York Post trying to get people mad about a leftist brown person in a swimming pool.
Ok, hold up, dumb question incoming. Is Mamdani considered a POC? Like I know it's arbitrary but I feel like I've been making a categorical mistake now...
I don't get the US American ruleset, but I can at least give you basic facts:
His parents are both of Indian descent. His father was raised in Uganda, his Mother in India. Zohran Mamdani was born in Uganda, they moved to South Africa when he was five, and then to the USA when he was seven.
Not a dumb question at all. For racists groups in the US, POC is for the most part broadly defined as "not white, unless they're hot". The Petter G meme with the card is pretty much on point.
A lot of pools are unnecessary too. The vast majority of cities have some water feature that I guarantee people used to swim in before we started dumping our shit and various poisons in them. Usually they are accessible to everyone and they could be again if we just cleaned up our act. Especially in the age of extreme heat having free swimming areas accessible to everyone would be a big deal.
The only time that would be was before the city existed. Sure we got carried away with chemicals in the 19th and 20th century, but before then a large portion of a city's trash and poop ended up in the nearest body of water. Just dumped straight in. Don't forget all the horse poop people had to deal with when that was the main transport system.
There was a reason diseases like cholera used to be such an issue.
Honestly I'd rather swim in the Hudson next to Manhattan today than in 1750.
Yes I am talking about when populations were way lower but my point is with modern governance and technology it's totally possible to have clean natural bodies of water for swimming again.
Those can be dangerous. There's a "river" (it's rather tiny for a river, but big for a crew or steam, and is named a river) near me that has walkways around it. One of the larger sections that had a sorta beach used to be available to public was closed a year or two back due to erosion and an E.Coli outbreak.
Lots of rivers also have hidden dangers like strainers, undercut rocks, eddy fences, etc. Pools are generally controlled environments, so some may consider them to be preferable for safety.
Where do you think the e. Coli comes from? This is exactly what I'm complaining about...
Some are dangerous yes but most cities are in flat areas where they're fairly safe for a proficient swimmer. Proficiency that would be easier to obtain if anyone could swim there for free.
I'll have what you're smoking. Spend a week in NYC and tell me we can make that water clean. I grew up on Long Island Sound, and the entire coast of CT dumps literal raw shit into the sound when it rains too much.
americans get angry when you have a good time and act like a human, especially in a suit--and it's a tailored suit, not some off the rack, ill-fitting embarrassment from the men's warehouse.
but it's ok to shit in your suit on live TV. you can be feeble, and you can mumble , and your words can barely make sense, as long as you project the illusion of a better; gods don't jump in pools, they don't show emotion, definitely not in a suit.
one of the many contradictions of the labyrinthine american value system that only truly makes sense if you're a fucking idiot.
It's not American, it's corporate. No one who isn't suckling on boots actually cares about the "dress code" of jumping into a pool in a tailored suit.
If Trump jumped in a pool, it'd be other people shitting themsleves instead of Trump for once. Because no one expects him to still be able to jump. But then they'd be chortling to themselves on network about how he's so fun and free from the stuffy norms of established politicians.
It's not tricky, it's not some byzantine culture war. They just don't like Mamdani and what he represents politically, so they're saying anything he does is bad.
The fact that conservatives (regressives), who value strength, chose an almost dead, fat, pants-shitting, draft dodging coward as their idol speaks volumes about that ideology and how pathetic it truly is.
See, they actually believe that. That's why people on the right are generally miserable cunts. They don't believe in enjoyment of things outside of enjoying hating on minorities. So when they see others having fun they can't help but seethe.
One of the primary joys for their mindset is superiority. It confers a sense of satisfaction at the world being "right" and in order, like a twisted parody of the satisfaction you might feel if you see some things lining up perfectly. Of course, if joy is the privilege of the superior, it won't do for their inferiors to have any. That's just wrong in the same way some book being taller than the others in its series makes your shelf look wrong.
There is also a strong sense of propriety, possibly linked to that sense of superiority in a self-enforcing way: If your association with the superior class is contingent on a set of traits and activities associated with that class, stepping outside those bounds makes you lesser. Thus, enjoying things they consider inappropriate is the world being doubly wrong: not only are you acting wrong, you're having fun too!
And then there is the hierarchical idea that superior people naturally rise to positions of power. Conversely, that means someone in power has to share those superior traits. That includes a certain confidence, refinement, dignity... typically whiteness too, but there are some non-whites that fit all the other criteria of superiority, so they're the exception, "one of the good ones". Jumping into a pool like that, particularly while in a suit that is decidedly not pool-appropriate, is quite unrefined and undignified.
Combine those principles:
A "wrong" person in power (x1) doing something inappropriate (x2) and showing clear joy at it (x3) is one hell of a violation of their perceived natural order, a mockery of all that is right in their eyes.
It's easy to see how they would be pissed at that.
Of course, their premises are fucked up, and the world will never be quite "right" by their standards, so they'll never be conent. For instance, that supposed natural drift to higher positions should clearly carry them up too, superior as they are, yet somehow doesn't. They'll find someone to blame, point fingers, try anything that doesn't involve questioning their own superiority or the existence of such a drift.
Hence, they will never reach the place they believe should be theirs, and will never be satisfied. It's a deeply self-destructive mentality. I wholeheartedly advise against trying it.
Back in the day, the NY Post was center left paper. Not as smart as the Times or as sleazy as the Daily News. Got purchased by Rupert Murdoch who turned it into a complete rag.
Honestly, it's starting to feel kinda tongue and cheek. All the photos they use are quite flattering. I think it's just rage bait engagement-mining both sides or malicious compliance.
86 Comments
mercano@lemmy.world · 177 pts · 50d
Let’s be honest, if he dressed in a bathing suit they’d be on his case for dressing inappropriately for his office.
nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz · 47 pts · 50d
He should have skinny dipped.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 50 pts · 50d
Dicks out for Mamdani
tacoplease@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 49d
Now, now we have to watch Ms Lindsey's blood pressure!
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 123 pts · 50d
It is pretty funny how conservative media will sometimes accidentally paint good people as heros by saying things they think are bad but 80% of Americans support. This one is about as stupid as Obama's tan suit.
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 37 pts · 49d
Fox News always does this, lists out the candidate's position with great points as if they're bad. Some examples:
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 49d
They might as well do one with Jesus Christ and all his far-left policies!
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 49d
Jesus Christ or Supply Side Jesus? They don't like that Christ guy much these days.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 88 pts · 50d
JUMPED IN THE POOL FULLY DRESSED?
HE'S A MENACE, we the honest tax paying New Yorkers deserve to see him wearing a swimsuit?
What is he hiding that he's doesn't want to public to see???
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 50d
Show me the Mam-DADDY
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 49d
mfw I see someone my age get referred to as "daddy" 😮💨
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 49d
Don't leave me WONDERING, show me that WANDERER ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 49d
Is that an innuendo? Apparently I'm old now, so that means I have to take everything literally
TheFresh16@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 49d
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 49d
I think he said that WAS his swim suit. He wears other suits to work
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 49d
That's good, because I'm pretty sure those are dry-clean only!
grue@lemmy.world · 82 pts · 50d
Y'all know that stereotype about how "black people can't swim?" That came about because, back in the day, cities were being forced to racially-integrate their swimming pools and a lot of them spitefully chose to close them instead. (And then the wealthier white people regained access by buying memberships to private pools, possibly attached to their new swim/tennis subdivision they'd just moved to as a result of white flight. The net result is that White Americans are more likely than Black Americans to have the opportunity to learn to swim, to this day.)
Just something to think about in this thread about the New York Post trying to get people mad about a leftist brown person in a swimming pool.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 22 pts · 49d
Actually goes back even further.
During slavery being able to cross water was a superpower for escaping slaves. Blood hounds would lose the scent.
If a master saw one slave swimming, everyone would be whipped. Pretty soon, the older slaves would stop any kid who went into the river.
Also https://nabsdivers.org/
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 49d
Damn. "Black people can't swim" hits wayyy harder with that context
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 2 pts · 49d
Here's another fact I learned recently.
Back in the early days of movies, it was common for a vaudeville to show a one reel cartoon in the middle of the live acts.
Because blackface performers were popular in those days a lot of the early cartoon were based on blackface comedians.
That's why so many wear white gloves, have black bodies and white lips.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 50d
Ok, hold up, dumb question incoming. Is Mamdani considered a POC? Like I know it's arbitrary but I feel like I've been making a categorical mistake now...
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de · 25 pts · 50d
I don't get the US American ruleset, but I can at least give you basic facts:
His parents are both of Indian descent. His father was raised in Uganda, his Mother in India. Zohran Mamdani was born in Uganda, they moved to South Africa when he was five, and then to the USA when he was seven.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 50d
Definitely makes him not white.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 49d
Not a dumb question at all. For racists groups in the US, POC is for the most part broadly defined as "not white, unless they're hot". The Petter G meme with the card is pretty much on point.
It's much more nuanced for anyone else.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 50d
A lot of pools are unnecessary too. The vast majority of cities have some water feature that I guarantee people used to swim in before we started dumping our shit and various poisons in them. Usually they are accessible to everyone and they could be again if we just cleaned up our act. Especially in the age of extreme heat having free swimming areas accessible to everyone would be a big deal.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 50d
The only time that would be was before the city existed. Sure we got carried away with chemicals in the 19th and 20th century, but before then a large portion of a city's trash and poop ended up in the nearest body of water. Just dumped straight in. Don't forget all the horse poop people had to deal with when that was the main transport system.
There was a reason diseases like cholera used to be such an issue.
Honestly I'd rather swim in the Hudson next to Manhattan today than in 1750.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 49d
Yes I am talking about when populations were way lower but my point is with modern governance and technology it's totally possible to have clean natural bodies of water for swimming again.
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 49d
Those can be dangerous. There's a "river" (it's rather tiny for a river, but big for a crew or steam, and is named a river) near me that has walkways around it. One of the larger sections that had a sorta beach used to be available to public was closed a year or two back due to erosion and an E.Coli outbreak.
Lots of rivers also have hidden dangers like strainers, undercut rocks, eddy fences, etc. Pools are generally controlled environments, so some may consider them to be preferable for safety.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 49d
Where do you think the e. Coli comes from? This is exactly what I'm complaining about...
Some are dangerous yes but most cities are in flat areas where they're fairly safe for a proficient swimmer. Proficiency that would be easier to obtain if anyone could swim there for free.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 49d
Cities have always dumped their shit into the river, it's half the reason to build a city there.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 49d
To say nothing of the fact that having a pool you can chlorinate is less likely to get someone sick, you can't treat natural water the same way
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 49d
What if we try hydrogen peroxide
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 49d
Sure but when it was only a few people it wasn't as much of an issue. And the pollution part is new.
We can make them clean enough to swim in again if we want to. It's totally doable.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 49d
I'll have what you're smoking. Spend a week in NYC and tell me we can make that water clean. I grew up on Long Island Sound, and the entire coast of CT dumps literal raw shit into the sound when it rains too much.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 49d
I mean yeah we'll have to stop doing that...
This may shock you but I have been to NYC before.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 49d
you cant filter or chlorinate a river/lake, and you cant put anti-slip tiles around one
pools' artificiality is useful and lets proper safety precautions be taken
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 49d
Like the good old Broad Street pump.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · -6 pts · 49d
Look, just let whitey have this one sport. Between that and the winter olympics, it's about all we've got left.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 49d
so like a bunch of sports then
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 49d
Skill issue
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 53 pts · 50d
That monster violated what? A dress code!! MONSTER.
Why can't he just violate little girls and boys like Donvict Drumpf?
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 49d
Everyone else is also fully dressed so it's obviously like a thing to jump in the pool with all your clothes on. Which presumably they know about.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 49d
This country needs to sort out her priorities - Ron Weasley
Janx@piefed.social · 48 pts · 50d
Thank, NY Post. You couldn't possibly make him look more fun and relatable or yourselves look more uptight and unpleasant...
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 50d
At press time, editor-in-chief Keith Poole was heard shouting into his phone that he wanted "pictures of Mamdani!" while chomping heavily on a cigar.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 49d
Man. I really liked him until he violated dress code rules.
Oh well, guess I have to vote for felon rapist pedophiles now.
Leviathan@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 49d
This was the actual Tan suit argument for more people than I feel comfortable admitting are part of the human race.
sol6_vi@lemmy.makearmy.io · 39 pts · 49d
This guys charisma is off the charts man. These images compel me to swim with him, like? It looks like a fuckin Fanta commercial.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 49d
True, dude seems to be having fun the whole time while office. Gives me hope for this nation.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 49d
I imagine this is what being mayor must be like if you don't waste so much time talking to rich people.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 49d
I want to go back in time with Mamdani and be in the Vengaboys - We Like To Party and Len - Steal My Sunshine music videos with him.
I've spent decades thinking there was no way to amp up the fun in either of those videos, but I think Mamdani can do it.
sol6_vi@lemmy.makearmy.io · 2 pts · 49d
Mamdani and DarkFutures Excellent Adventure
GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 49d
NY Post is constantly grasping for straws trying to find anything negative to say about him.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 49d
Let them. Should they ever find anything people will assume they are just crying wolf again and ignore them.
They are being irresponsible with the power of the press. this is a problem that solves itself.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 49d
This is a problem that should solve itself, and yet has delivered and elected Trump to office so..
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 49d
Be patient. Trump is the punctuation mark for this whole thing.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 49d
The NYPost has about as much credibility as "BAT BOY FOUND IN CAVE IN ARGENTINA".
Unfortunately, there's a lot of idiots out there that think a bat boy was found in a cave in Argentina.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 5 pts · 49d
If he doesn't go they would accuse him of being an elitist that doesn't enjoy what normal new-yorkers do
whereitsat@lemmy.zip · 32 pts · 49d
americans get angry when you have a good time and act like a human, especially in a suit--and it's a tailored suit, not some off the rack, ill-fitting embarrassment from the men's warehouse.
but it's ok to shit in your suit on live TV. you can be feeble, and you can mumble , and your words can barely make sense, as long as you project the illusion of a better; gods don't jump in pools, they don't show emotion, definitely not in a suit.
one of the many contradictions of the labyrinthine american value system that only truly makes sense if you're a fucking idiot.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 49d
It's not American, it's corporate. No one who isn't suckling on boots actually cares about the "dress code" of jumping into a pool in a tailored suit.
If Trump jumped in a pool, it'd be other people shitting themsleves instead of Trump for once. Because no one expects him to still be able to jump. But then they'd be chortling to themselves on network about how he's so fun and free from the stuffy norms of established politicians.
It's not tricky, it's not some byzantine culture war. They just don't like Mamdani and what he represents politically, so they're saying anything he does is bad.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 49d
The fact that conservatives (regressives), who value strength, chose an almost dead, fat, pants-shitting, draft dodging coward as their idol speaks volumes about that ideology and how pathetic it truly is.
pachrist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 49d
All of that is true, but he took off his shoes while keeping the suit jacket on. We need to find the deeper, hidden meaning in this.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 49d
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 49d
See, they actually believe that. That's why people on the right are generally miserable cunts. They don't believe in enjoyment of things outside of enjoying hating on minorities. So when they see others having fun they can't help but seethe.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 5 pts · 49d
One of the primary joys for their mindset is superiority. It confers a sense of satisfaction at the world being "right" and in order, like a twisted parody of the satisfaction you might feel if you see some things lining up perfectly. Of course, if joy is the privilege of the superior, it won't do for their inferiors to have any. That's just wrong in the same way some book being taller than the others in its series makes your shelf look wrong.
There is also a strong sense of propriety, possibly linked to that sense of superiority in a self-enforcing way: If your association with the superior class is contingent on a set of traits and activities associated with that class, stepping outside those bounds makes you lesser. Thus, enjoying things they consider inappropriate is the world being doubly wrong: not only are you acting wrong, you're having fun too!
And then there is the hierarchical idea that superior people naturally rise to positions of power. Conversely, that means someone in power has to share those superior traits. That includes a certain confidence, refinement, dignity... typically whiteness too, but there are some non-whites that fit all the other criteria of superiority, so they're the exception, "one of the good ones". Jumping into a pool like that, particularly while in a suit that is decidedly not pool-appropriate, is quite unrefined and undignified.
Combine those principles:
A "wrong" person in power (x1) doing something inappropriate (x2) and showing clear joy at it (x3) is one hell of a violation of their perceived natural order, a mockery of all that is right in their eyes.
It's easy to see how they would be pissed at that.
Of course, their premises are fucked up, and the world will never be quite "right" by their standards, so they'll never be conent. For instance, that supposed natural drift to higher positions should clearly carry them up too, superior as they are, yet somehow doesn't. They'll find someone to blame, point fingers, try anything that doesn't involve questioning their own superiority or the existence of such a drift.
Hence, they will never reach the place they believe should be theirs, and will never be satisfied. It's a deeply self-destructive mentality. I wholeheartedly advise against trying it.
Bigotry: not even once
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 49d
They believe it only for themselves and whoever they consider to be on their side.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 49d
Oh fuck, not the dress code! The horror.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 49d
Jameson sometimes had valid concerns about things like collateral damage. NYPost on the other hand...
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 49d
New York Post is the collateral damage.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 50d
So Mayor Mamdani gets his Tan Suit event. I consider that a sign of high potential that some rag has to tan-suit him like that.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 49d
This is almost as tragic and horrific as Obama's tan suit incident. It is a day that will live in infamy.
Fluffy_Ruffs@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 50d
The Post is a rag. It's best to not take anything they publish seriously.
halfapage@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 50d
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 49d
He took his shoes off, that's all that matters. Dress codes for pools should be "don't be naked"
mrodri89@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 49d
EmptyAsparagus@piefed.social · 11 pts · 50d
so the new York post is billionaire owned? sure sounds like it ...
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 7 pts · 49d
New York native here.
Back in the day, the NY Post was center left paper. Not as smart as the Times or as sleazy as the Daily News. Got purchased by Rupert Murdoch who turned it into a complete rag.
Murdoch would later create Fox News.
EmptyAsparagus@piefed.social · 1 pts · 22d
yeah, sounds about right. no wonder streamers like hasan are popping of with traditional media being this aligned
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 50d
He did take his shoes off though.
Also, obligatory Fuck the NYP. This shit's going to continue for years now.
Soleos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 49d
Honestly, it's starting to feel kinda tongue and cheek. All the photos they use are quite flattering. I think it's just rage bait engagement-mining both sides or malicious compliance.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 49d
At least he took his shoes off!
PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 49d
The guy who posted this, Thinkpiece Tribe, has some fantastic videos on his YouTube.
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 49d
Lost the chance to write "Madmani".
sober_monk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 49d
Hyphen respected, this person knows their shit.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 50d
JJJ won't throw any of his worker under the bus, NYP will.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 49d
ZOHRAN Mamdani pees in the pool and doesn't wash his ass crack
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · -6 pts · 49d
As opposed to the inverse where is I applauded because squints he jumped into a pool while wearing a suit...
It's annoying because this is just being in both directions. Spit on him for not being formal or suck him off for not being formal.
This is more political slop that doesn't make better policy or the country better.
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 49d
Are you seriously both-sidesing a pearl-clutching NY Post headline?
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · -4 pts · 49d
No - I am saying Bait is bait and you are hook, line, and sinker.