here you go: systemd is so much better then sysv-init, it's not even funny
I really can't take people serious that think sysv-init was the superior system. I mean for real, have you ever worked with it and all it's shortcomings? It wasnt even a system, it was a bunch of bad init scripts
i started my professional software development career in 1999. the amount of older guys who called the web stupid and a fad or "gopher is the future of the internet" was crazy. people hate change
funny, I also started around 2000 with Linux, so we have the same time under our belt. I remember doing manually dependency resolving downloading packages from freshmeat.net
Let's be honest, I hated that "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" went obsolete, muscle memory and habit are a bitch, but you have to move on sometimes. Otherwise, are you really arguing that some obscure start-stop-daemon wrapper that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't, because they were created for suse not redhat were superior?
systemd monitors the daemons, can show you used cpu time, can start daemons depending of if the system is connected to ac or uses battery or if a port got a magic package, it know which resources a service needs and much more, all without needing to manually write scripts. Do we really compare that to some scripts with bullshittery like:
case $1 in
start):
start-stop-daemon $service_name
;;
*)
echo fuck off
exit 1
;;
sorry to be so blunt, and im pretty drunk saying this: sherly you can't be serious, and don't call me sherly.
@shrugs@ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace people don't like change. I almost had a nervous breakdown when gnome switched to gnome shell, still hate using it. better or worse I personally like systemd. You can use it or don't but change means progress. systems are more complex than they were 20 years ago and systemd gives me one place to manage everything
funny, I also started around 2000 with Linux, so we have the same time under our belt. I remember doing manually dependency resolving downloading packages from freshmeat.net
Good times lol!
Let’s be honest, I hated that “/etc/init.d/apache2 start” went obsolete, muscle memory and habit are a bitch, but you have to move on sometimes. Otherwise, are you really arguing that some obscure start-stop-daemon wrapper that sometimes worked and sometimes didn’t, because they were created for suse not redhat were superior?
systemd monitors the daemons, can show you used cpu time, can start daemons depending of if the system is connected to ac or uses battery or if a port got a magic package, it know which resources a service needs and much more, all without needing to manually write scripts. Do we really compare that to some scripts with bullshittery like:
Oh no doubt that SystemD has its uses and it has great features. It's great for a corporate Linux used in business servers and the like. But in a time where every OS is spying on people with so called telemetry and are being controlled by policies enacted by politicians bought by lobbies of large corporations who just want to know every fine detail of our lives to sell us shit and open our data to governments for surveillance, you can bet your ass that I want an open box with scripts that I can read so I know what they do.
And the sheer fact that SystemD was undemocratically pushed down everyone's throat against the will of the people on the committees that steer the decisions for the distros in question is huge fucking red flag. It sticks of political overreach.
@ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace i guess i haven’t heard anything about any of that happening with linux as far as i know the whole age verification stuff didn’t affect linux and i haven’t bought any linux its freely available you can choose to use it or dont and its he source code is still available so its not like you cant look at it too so im really not sure where any of that applies here
It allowed me to ditch Windows for good. Playing games on Linux, often with similar or even better performance than on Windows, was an insane idea ten or fifteen years ago. Nowadays it‘s rare to see a game not working on day one. And if it doesn‘t, Proton‘s devs oftentimes fix it within a day or two. It‘s an amazing piece of software with an amazing team behind it.
Proton is a god damn godsend. After wrangling four or five WINE tools for a decade, this is a beautiful innovation. Genuinely, made switching away from Windows viable.
Everything else feels like going back to the stone age. No offense to VLC fans. VLC is cool too, and I still recommend it because of its simpler GUI. But MPV is the MVP.
It just feels right. It took me some time to get used to the vim motions. But man, does it make moving around any project so fast and natural. I went in for the customizability. And that's obviously there. But the sheer speed it gives me is uncanny. My past self with VS Code could never.
I'd also suggest taking some time to write your own config from scratch once you get the hang of it; it'll be worth it.
I don't know why I bothered using Vim, Neovim, Micro, mg, and JOE for so long, when nano was always there (though not necessarily OOTB), configurable with all of the features I used in the other editors, and has never broken as long as I've been using it.
The only editor I may leave it for would be Emacs, and that would be more for the extension scripts and an excuse to learn ELisp than anything else.
52 Comments
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 34 pts · 70d
systemd
Tja@programming.dev · 20 pts · 70d
Those a fighting word
sshrugs@piefed.social · 12 pts · 70d
here you go: systemd is so much better then sysv-init, it's not even funny
I really can't take people serious that think sysv-init was the superior system. I mean for real, have you ever worked with it and all it's shortcomings? It wasnt even a system, it was a bunch of bad init scripts
Tja@programming.dev · 5 pts · 69d
It was a bunch of bad init scripts, but it was our bunch of bad init scripts.
terabyterex@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 69d
i started my professional software development career in 1999. the amount of older guys who called the web stupid and a fad or "gopher is the future of the internet" was crazy. people hate change
sage@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 69d
Nobody argued that sysv was better.
Just that there are other options, apart from systemd.
Mountainaire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
And yet you refuse to give examples...
sage@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 57d
I use OpenRC on my desktop.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 68d
I've been using it since I started using Linux 26 years ago until Ubuntu switched to upstart and then systemD.
It did the job and was very easy to work with. I knew what the scripts did and I could write my own. And it didn't ask for a date of birth either.
shrugs@piefed.social · 1 pts · 66d
funny, I also started around 2000 with Linux, so we have the same time under our belt. I remember doing manually dependency resolving downloading packages from freshmeat.net
Let's be honest, I hated that "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" went obsolete, muscle memory and habit are a bitch, but you have to move on sometimes. Otherwise, are you really arguing that some obscure start-stop-daemon wrapper that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't, because they were created for suse not redhat were superior?
systemd monitors the daemons, can show you used cpu time, can start daemons depending of if the system is connected to ac or uses battery or if a port got a magic package, it know which resources a service needs and much more, all without needing to manually write scripts. Do we really compare that to some scripts with bullshittery like:
sorry to be so blunt, and im pretty drunk saying this: sherly you can't be serious, and don't call me sherly.
neighborhoodnerd21@mastodon.social · 0 pts · 65d
@shrugs @ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace people don't like change. I almost had a nervous breakdown when gnome switched to gnome shell, still hate using it. better or worse I personally like systemd. You can use it or don't but change means progress. systems are more complex than they were 20 years ago and systemd gives me one place to manage everything
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 65d
Good times lol!
Oh no doubt that SystemD has its uses and it has great features. It's great for a corporate Linux used in business servers and the like. But in a time where every OS is spying on people with so called telemetry and are being controlled by policies enacted by politicians bought by lobbies of large corporations who just want to know every fine detail of our lives to sell us shit and open our data to governments for surveillance, you can bet your ass that I want an open box with scripts that I can read so I know what they do.
And the sheer fact that SystemD was undemocratically pushed down everyone's throat against the will of the people on the committees that steer the decisions for the distros in question is huge fucking red flag. It sticks of political overreach.
Pardon my French.
neighborhoodnerd21@mastodon.social · 0 pts · 65d
@ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace i guess i haven’t heard anything about any of that happening with linux as far as i know the whole age verification stuff didn’t affect linux and i haven’t bought any linux its freely available you can choose to use it or dont and its he source code is still available so its not like you cant look at it too so im really not sure where any of that applies here
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 68d
Booooh! lol
cymor@midwest.social · 25 pts · 70d
vim
30p87@feddit.org · 24 pts · 70d
openssh
and on the opposite side, nvidia drivers
nyan_kas@piefed.social · 20 pts · 69d
Proton.
It allowed me to ditch Windows for good. Playing games on Linux, often with similar or even better performance than on Windows, was an insane idea ten or fifteen years ago. Nowadays it‘s rare to see a game not working on day one. And if it doesn‘t, Proton‘s devs oftentimes fix it within a day or two. It‘s an amazing piece of software with an amazing team behind it.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 69d
Proton is a god damn godsend. After wrangling four or five WINE tools for a decade, this is a beautiful innovation. Genuinely, made switching away from Windows viable.
vk6flab@lemmy.radio · 20 pts · 70d
grep
cadekat@pawb.social · 17 pts · 70d
lessis an unsung hero.ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 70d
Okular.
orvorn@slrpnk.net · 14 pts · 69d
ffmpeg
hoohoohoot@fedinsfw.app · 13 pts · 70d
AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev · 7 pts · 70d
If I can't play it in MPV, I don't wanna play it.
Everything else feels like going back to the stone age. No offense to VLC fans. VLC is cool too, and I still recommend it because of its simpler GUI. But MPV is the MVP.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 13 pts · 69d
Does "Linux" itself count? I can't even remember the last time I had anything running Linux have a system crash.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev · 9 pts · 69d
OH!
tmuxobviously. It's rock solid.SinTan1729@programming.dev · 9 pts · 69d
neovimIt just feels right. It took me some time to get used to the vim motions. But man, does it make moving around any project so fast and natural. I went in for the customizability. And that's obviously there. But the sheer speed it gives me is uncanny. My past self with VS Code could never.
I'd also suggest taking some time to write your own config from scratch once you get the hang of it; it'll be worth it.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 68d
Neovim's amazing ngl. Replaced MS Code with it at work and I couldn't be happier.
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 69d
ffmpeg and rsync are heavy candidates for me
loremipsum@feddit.online · 5 pts · 68d
qBittorrent
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 69d
KDE Connect was worth switching away from Mint for. I was blown away. All of this stuff that just works!
dismay3915@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 69d
Now that I think about it, most of it.
Neovim, curl, ffmpeg, all gnu utils, sioyek (pdf viewer), i3wm, autorandr, alacritty, tmux and so on.
cymor@midwest.social · 3 pts · 70d
i3
tatterdemalion@programming.dev · 3 pts · 69d
foothas been pretty solid for me. No complaints.heliotrope@retrofed.com · 3 pts · 69d
GNU nano.
I don't know why I bothered using Vim, Neovim, Micro, mg, and JOE for so long, when nano was always there (though not necessarily OOTB), configurable with all of the features I used in the other editors, and has never broken as long as I've been using it.
The only editor I may leave it for would be Emacs, and that would be more for the extension scripts and an excuse to learn ELisp than anything else.
hosaka@programming.dev · 2 pts · 69d
xbps as of recent
UpperBroccoli@feddit.org · 2 pts · 69d
busybox
randamumaki@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 70d
tint2
JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social · 1 pts · 69d
mpd+ncmpcpp
df -h for a bit of existential dread.
lengau@midwest.social · 1 pts · 67d
glibc
brb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 69d
bolt launcher
tux0r@snac.rosaelefanten.org · 1 pts · 66d
plan9port
Damage@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 70d
geeqie
fum@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 68d
bash