I just watched the EU parliament plenary and they just voted in favor of Chat Control. I can't understand what's going on in their head. The last speaker before the vote had very good points.
I think we should now verify who voted in favor and have all their communications be public from now on.
Edit: name and shame below.
::: spoiler spoiler ECR - Axinia, Bielan, Brudziński, Geadi, Gosiewska, Jaki, Kamiński, Kanko, Maląg, Ruissen, Rzońca, Teodorescu, Van Dijck, Van Overtveldt, Wiśniewska, Zalewska, Złotowski
PPE - Aaltola, Abadía Jover, Adamowicz, Aftias, Agius, Arimont, Arłukowicz, Beke, Beleris, Bellamy, Benjumea Benjumea, Bentele, Berger, Bernhuber, Bogdan, Brejza, Brnjac, Buda Daniel, Budka, Bugalho, Buła, Carberry, Casa, del Castillo Vera, Černilec Tomašič, Crespo Díaz, Cunha, Dahl, Dávid, de la Hoz Quintano, De Meo, Doherty, Doleschal, do Nascimento Cabral, Dorfmann, Düpont, Ehler, Estaràs Ferragut, Ezcurra Almansa, Falcă, Falcone, Farský, Ferber, Fourlas, Gahler, Gasiuk-Pihowicz, Geuking, Gieseke, Giménez Larraz, Glavak, Gomart, González Pons, Gotink, Gronkiewicz-Waltz, Hadjipantela, Halicki, Hansen, Hava, Herbst, Herranz García, Hetman, Humberto, Imart, Jarubas, Joński, Juknevičienė, Kalniete, Kefalogiannis, Kelly, Kemp, Kircher, Köhler, Kohut, Kokalari, Kolář, Kollár, Koning, Kopacz, Kovatchev, Kulja, Lakos, Lanig, Lazarov, Le Callennec, Lenaers, Lewandowski, Lexmann, Liese, Lins, Lopatka, López-Istúriz White, Łukacijewska, McAllister, Mandl, Marczułajtis-Walczak, Martusciello, Mato, Mažylis, Mehnert, Meimarakis, Meleti, Mertens, Millán Mon, Montserrat, Morano, Moratti, Motreanu, Mureşan, Navarrete Rojas, Nerudová, Nevado del Campo, Niebler, Niedermayer, Novakov, Nykiel, Pascual de la Parte, Pedro, Pereira, Pietikäinen, Polfjärd, Popescu, Princi, Protas, Radev, Radtke, Ratas, Ressler, Ripa, Salini, Saudargas, Schenk, Schwab, Seekatz, Sienkiewicz, Simon, Sokol, Solís Pérez, Sommen, Sousa Silva, Stier, Szczerba, Teodorescu Måwe, Ter Laak, Tobé, Tomc, Tonin, Tosi, Toveri, Tsiodras, Vaidere, Vălean, Verheyen, Vincze, Voss, Vozemberg-Vrionidi, Vázquez Lázara, Walsh, Walsmann, Warborn, Wawrykiewicz, Wcisło, Weber, Wechsler, WEISZ, Winkler, Winzig, Wiseler-Lima, Zarzalejos, Zdechovský, Zdrojewski, Zoido Álvarez, Zovko
PfE - Androuët, Bay Christophe, Birkholm, Brasier-Clain, Bžoch, Castillo, Dauchy, Deloge, Deutsch, Disdier, Dömötör, Dostalova, Ferenc, Frigout, Furet, Győri, Gyürk, Hölvényi, Jamet, Knotek, Knot, László, Leggeri, Nagyová, Nikolic, Pennelle, Pokorná Jermanová, Rechagneux, Rougé, Szekeres, Thionnet, Valet, Varaut, Vicsek
Renew - Allione, Andrews, Azmani, Baljeu, Boyer, Canfin, Cassart, Chastel, Decerle, Devaux, Farreng, Goerens, Gozi, Groothuis, Grudler, Guetta, Henriksson, Katainen, Kelleher, Keller, Kulmuni, Loiseau, Ní Mhurchú, Picierno, Tomac, Van Brug, Verougstraete, Wilmès
S&D - Andriukaitis, Angel, Annunziata, Arnaoutoglou, Ballarín Cereza, Biedroń, Blinkevičiūtė, Bonaccini, Cârciu, Cepeda, Clergeau, Cristea, Danielsson, Dibrani, Di Rupo, Dobrev, Eriksson, Farantouris, Firea, Fita, Franqueira Rodrigues, Fritzon, Fuglsang, Gálvez, García Pérez, Germain, Glucksmann, Gómez López, Gonçalves Sérgio, González Casares, Grapini, Grossmann, Guzenina, Heide, Heinäluoma, Homs Ginel, Incir, Jalloul Muro, Laureti, López, López Aguilar, Luena, Maestre, Manda, Maniatis, Mavrides, Mebarek, Mendes, Mendia, Molnár, Moreno Sánchez, Moretti, Muşoiu, Nardella, Negrescu, Nica, Noichl, Ó Ríordáin, Pajín, Papandreou, Pellerin-Carlin, Penkova, Ricci, Ros Sempere, Sánchez Amor, Sancho Murillo, Sargiacomo, Schaldemose, Scheuring-Wielgus, Schieder, Serrano Sierra, Sidl, Śmiszek, Tarquinio, Tavares, Temido, Topo, Tramacere, Vind, Zingaretti
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24 Comments
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 34 pts · 55d
Every payment sent, every penny received, every communication, every deal that they try to strike should all be publicised as they seem to forget which direction the transparency should be.
dawcas@scribe.disroot.org · 11 pts · 55d
If I'm not mistaken, politicians and military are exempted because of reasons. They didn't forget, they reversed it. 🤷
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 55d
That's my point. They are the ones who should be transparent. The reason they are pushing this, the reason SKG was beaten etc.. They need reminding.
It won't be long before they are at our doors, cap in hand begging for us to tick their name on a ballot paper as we should believe that they are the best person/people for the job.
random_character_a@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 54d
In my country information about who politician meets in the Parliament building should be open information by law.
It's very common that, if reporter asks for these documents they are suddenly misplaced or accidentally burned. It's already a joke a this point.
If they are doing shady shit, they could just go somewhere else.
Whole idea is just to give a middle finger to transparency.
Nobody is liable to those records and they want to keep it that way.
You don't just need laws for transparency, there also always has to be consequences throughout the line. It feels like everything that is passed these days, doesn't have any.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 55d
Also put up a camera ANYWHERE they go. No disabling. Let them face their own consequences.
Private texts? Donations? Stocks? Ok, all of that is confiscated and published.
viertesauge@feddit.org · 24 pts · 55d
I think its pretty simple; with climate change and pollution comes environmental collapse and starvation. Clean water, food and other ressources will become even harder to obtain. Desperate people will be more likely to turn to exremism and civil unrest will increase. Our politicians know this and are trying to get into a position where they can stay in power and not be eaten. Obviously with hindsight it would probably have been better for everyone involved if we had taken the necessary steps to protect our climate and ecosystems a few centuries ago, but that doesnt get you elected and doesnt matter to you if you are going to rule just for the next 5 years or so.
viertesauge@feddit.org · 8 pts · 55d
Oh and the funniest thing about this is that the real bad actors can just circumvent this by adding a second layer or encryption to their messages that the authorities cannot access.
FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 55d
Everyone should archive a local copy of the GPG source.
ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 55d
Let me grab a copy of OpenPGP as well while we're at it.
desmosthenes@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 55d
the lust for power
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 55d
anytimesoon@piefed.social · 12 pts · 55d
So this actually happened? Fuck me, thats bad news. I only just found out it was happening and it's already done
Babalugats@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 55d
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 6 pts · 55d
And why the fuck are we accepting that in the first place? Get your asses to work!
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 55d
Use an P2P chat and show the middle finger to the chat control. Official chats, like WhatsCrap and similar are anyway controled since ever.
Ngenuity@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 54d
this is some next level lobbying, to even push this so hard and while some of the opposition wont even be there, this is incredible, but i dont get it, even if you pass this through where is the infrastructure to handle all of this?? all in all this is just disgusting level of lobbying
Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 54d
Remember that this is just about the extension in time of the already existing chat control V1.0. We have to continue fighting because there is a lot of potential for this to get worse.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 55d
artyom@piefed.social · 7 pts · 53d
The problem ia that you're assuming their decisions are in good faith. They're very much not. Chat control = control. Destroying privacy only benefits the local gov.
Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 53d
I'm not assuming their decisions are in good faith. I'm assuming they represent/belong to a party with guidelines and are voting publicly.
And it shows. The left and the greens have voted with consistency against. Just to many no-shows to make a difference, however there were no-shows from both sides.
But, the slight left, soc-dems, or however they are called, and center, has, with very little exceptions (which I salute), exclusively voted for it. And this is not according to my understanding of the guidelines but I suppose this is subject to interpretations.
folaht@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 55d
Capitalism
Wobble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 55d
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 55d
Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 55d
The thing is, most if them won't get money. Pretty sure they just have no idea what it's about.
Drekaridill@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 55d
Is this the old Chat Control 1.0 or the new Chat Control 2.0?
Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 53d
Extension of Chat Control V1.0
Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 55d
Fuck, how do I do a multiline spoiler? 😂 ::: spoiler ugh I managed somehow. :::