Can't find a single distro that proudly advertises "NO AI"

I'm intent on getting rid of Ubuntu since their embrace of AI, and would prefer to avoid any other distro based on Ubuntu, since that's just kicking the can down the road.

But a thorough search of the web for various versions of "Linux with no AI" only returns results that recommend AI infused distros and articles touting how great AI will be for Linux, or how to fix Linux using AI. 🤮

Can anyone recommend a distro that has proudly announced their refusal to ever consider adding #AIslop to their distro?

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jake_jake_jake_@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 43d (17 replies)

I think you cannot find any because the Linux kernel itself has AI assisted development happening. Distros that use the kernel then cannot say "No AI."

Edit: Gentoo and NetBSD specifically do not allow AI generated code.

Mpeach45@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 43d (15 replies)

While I definitely prefer that the distribution have no AI code, most important for me is that the OS not have mandatory AI integration. I don't want my boxes to EVER reach out to some LLM datacenter.

ramasses@social.ozymandias.club · 22 pts · 43d (6 replies)

If you want no AI integration, I would reccomend debian or arch. Mainly because you can choose exactly what packages are installed and they have a large community.

Mpeach45@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 43d (2 replies)

I'm experimenting with Debian now.

bignose@programming.dev · 3 pts · 43d

I'm happy with Debian, yes.

You may be interested in the deliberations Debian has had earlier this year on exactly what should be permitted or banned with regard to contributions generated by bots.

ramasses@social.ozymandias.club · 2 pts · 43d

Thats what I run on my laptop, its great. The main thibg with debian is that the packages are old, (6 months~) but very stable. I would reccomend using the testing version for newer packages. I am not saying debian 13 is bad tho, its what I run.

mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 43d (2 replies)

Add Void Linux to that list.

ramasses@social.ozymandias.club · 5 pts · 43d (1 reply)

For the 3 people that use void linux, sure.

mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 43d

Nonsense. There are at least half a dozen of us! I missed the large community part.

timestatic@feddit.org · 10 pts · 43d

No mainstream distro afaik have mandatory AI. This isn't windows

Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 43d

AFAIK integration is an option and something you have to install to get in sny case, that and ai datacenters cost money to use, something linuxes don't have.

FiniteBanjo@programming.dev · 3 pts · 43d

Arch is cool. CachyOS is built on Arch and it's okay, for now, but the CachyOS devs certainly don't oppose AI afaik.

AlmightyDoorman@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 43d (4 replies)

Ubuntu has no mandatory AI integration, what are you on about?

FiniteBanjo@programming.dev · 4 pts · 43d (3 replies)
mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 43d

They’re all opt in, for now.

timestatic@feddit.org · 0 pts · 43d (1 reply)

What happened to the term "mandatory"?

FiniteBanjo@programming.dev · 1 pts · 43d

It's getting installed with the OS, sounds pretty mandatory to me.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 43d

Is this the year of the NetBSD desktop???

/s

slazer2au@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 43d

If you are ok with Ubuntu in general, excluding the AI part, go upstream and get Debian. It's primarily mandate is stability which, to me at least, means no AI integration from the standard install.

Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 43d

Likely because at this point, it's an almost impossible standard to hold for an open source project.

"AI code" is a very vague term. What if somebody used an LLM autocomplete in their IDE? What if they used an LLM to summarize and parse documentation, but wrote all the code themself? What if they generated the initial code with an LLM, but then heavily modified and tuned it by hand? What if they wrote the initial code by hand, but used an LLM to debug or optimize it? What if they wrote all the code by themself, but used an LLM to write unit tests and modify documentation?

If you're against every single example I gave, that's fine, but many if not most of these would be nearly impossible to tell if somebody had done it. Project maintainers are already spread extremely thin without also having to be AI detectives. Many/most large projects have already banned AI slop contributions, but that only stops the most obvious and lowest quality vibe coders and agentic bot spam.

The truth is that a large portion of devs are using LLMs in the kinds of ways I described earlier, right, wrong, or otherwise. Some distros are leaning into the hype, others are just quietly doing their own thing.

If you want to steer clear of explicit AI inclusion, I would just stick with distros that aren't bragging about implimenting those kinds of features. Check their main project page, check their official blog if they have one, look at the lead maintainers' github/lab pages and projects and see if they are big into AI stuff or not.

At this point, that's probably the best you can do.

kogasa@programming.dev · 7 pts · 43d

Hop on Arch.

Senal@programming.dev · 6 pts · 43d

See the other comment about the kernel, but that aside you could go down the https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ route

bignose@programming.dev · 4 pts · 43d

Simply saying “No AI” would forbid a huge amount of code that was written with assistive technologies that long precede the latest crop of proprietary LLMs; I'd venture it would cover almost all software in distributions for the past several decades.

“AI” is a marketing term, in continuous use from the mid-twentieth century to encompass a broad and ever-changing range of automation and other tools, that is deliberately vague. If we want to be clear what the ban does and does not cover, we need to avoid that term.

And then of course we can deliberate on exactly what is permitted (code that was auto-corrected by a spell checker? code that had its boilerplate syntax automatically generated?) versus what is forbidden (code that was generated in some proprietary data centre? code that is an unattributable, non-consensual remix of existing code? code that was probabilistically extruded from an LLM?), because we'll avoid the useless term “AI” and instead speak of specific tools and technologies.

SwooshBakery624@programming.dev · 4 pts · 43d

https://secureblue.dev/contributing#ai-content

In the interest of accuracy, quality, and license of the project, contributing using AI generated code and content of any kind is forbidden.

FiniteBanjo@programming.dev · 3 pts · 43d (1 reply)

I feel that and I hope we get there one day, but for now it might be better to stick with a distro that has a proven track record of good maintainers properly reviewing code. You're searching for a daily driver for your machine, right? Or is it a more specialized use case?

Mpeach45@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 43d

Not exactly a daily driver. more a display machine hooked up to a TV used to monitor some sources.

bequirtle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 43d

No linux distro advertises as "AI-free" because that's a bit like saying a burger is uranium-free

RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 43d

If it ever got to the point that all distros had in-your-face-AI I'll turn my Pixel/GrapheneOS phone into a "desktop" computer. Just have to connect a hub, monitor, keyboard and mouse and take advantage of the pass-through charging.

_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 43d

Debian? Fedora? Bazzite?

Maiznieks@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 43d

I can make one for you, won't have any mistakes, just give me few hours