Yes, it was a stupid mistake. Doesn't change the definition of "leaking" (as in: information got out that the person supplying the info didn't want to get out), though.
No, it wasn't your average telemetry (although I'm sure they could also find a person only with the massive telemetry footprint they get). It was a specific device ID unique to every computer, that Windows pings to Microsoft every once in a while. So, as long as you're using Windows, Microsoft can still follow you through your VPN without needing to delve into the telemetry data. I'm sure they make a very responsible use of that feature.
Like really, they fumbled that whole concept so hard... a competent marketing department could made Cortana in basically the professional version of Hatsune Miku.
Yeah! It was a bunch of different gifs! Maybe ... 128x128 px at 12 or 24 fps, something like that?
He'd make 'facial expressions', and move around... looked kinda like Veggie Tales style animation.
And there was more than just Clippy, he was just the default. There was like... an Einstein look a like... a dog... I think there were at least 8 different little mascot type things, to go along with the actual 'speech bubble' style, actual user interface.
I remember just fucking around with this shit in the early 00s, in the computer lab.
By the time I was using Office, a few years later, they'd figured out how to hide the 'window' that Clippy appears in, and basically alpha mask the gifs, make the backgrounds of them transparent.
So, not a true 'desktop buddy', as you had to have Word open, but ... yeah Clippy basically 'lived in' Word, if that makes any sense.
I knew an idiot who used Bing Rewards as a reason to use Edge, saying you were stupid to not use it, since you got paid to browse and were getting free stuff. I mean, why even browse if you’re not getting paid? Why not be a digital serf for our tech overlords?
Edge uses the same rendering engine as Chrome. Web devs need to check to make sure different browsers respond to CSS, JavaScript, HTML, etc. the same way, as they all don't necessarily do so, even though they should.
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PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 23d
What a perfect list of reasons not to use Edge.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 48 pts · 23d
cheat700000007@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 22d
4: "Pwetty Pwease 👉👈"
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 28 pts · 23d
xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day · 2 pts · 21d
If this wasn't the top answer, i would have been very disappointed
qwertyasdf@feddit.uk · 25 pts · 23d
"Built in VPN" Yeah how about no. I'll stick with mullvad + waterfox
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 23d
I read a while ago that they busted some hacker kid who used a secure VPN, because they leaked some Windows installation ID or whatever.
RogueBanana@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 22d
You mean telemetry? They didn't leak anything. They just chose to use their personal fucking windows machine for said hack.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 22d
Yes, it was a stupid mistake. Doesn't change the definition of "leaking" (as in: information got out that the person supplying the info didn't want to get out), though.
RogueBanana@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 22d
What information? There was no leak, he was identified by telemetry id which overlapped with multiple previous offences.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 21d
You answered your own question already. He leaked identifying information (his telemetry id) himself.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 21d
If you're holding out a big ass sign "Hi I'm X" then someone finding out that you're X isn't exactly a leak, innit
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 21d
It's more like you didn't notice that the sign is dangling from your shoelaces.
RogueBanana@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 21d
No? Microsoft cooperated with the cops to match the ids and identified him. He did not just give out his id like a business card.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 21d
Ob-iously, he left identifying information at his target. So he leaked it.
An information leak is a leak, even if it's not happening to a company.
black0ut@pawb.social · 2 pts · 22d
No, it wasn't your average telemetry (although I'm sure they could also find a person only with the massive telemetry footprint they get). It was a specific device ID unique to every computer, that Windows pings to Microsoft every once in a while. So, as long as you're using Windows, Microsoft can still follow you through your VPN without needing to delve into the telemetry data. I'm sure they make a very responsible use of that feature.
RogueBanana@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 22d
Well yes, thats exactly my point. Every telemetry is tagged with it, there is no average or advanced telemetry. Don't give a pass to microslop.
xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day · 3 pts · 21d
Edge VPN: Instead of Patricia from marketing, your traffic will be analyzed by Sam from security.
wulrus@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 23d
For me, "earn rewards" is really important.
I doomscroll on 3 different platforms, I view xxx-sites, I check the weather, I buy a shower mat.
I should be rewarded!
(What is the reward exactly?)
pewpew@feddit.it · 5 pts · 22d
Windows 10 extended security updates
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22d
You say that, but they let you link it to work account! I have so far gotten £40 of vouchers just casually doing nothing special.
Edge does work a lot better in MS 365 environment and it's work... so i can live with it.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 23d
Aw, don't be shy...
Cortana just wants to get to know you!
We swear she hasn't been locked in an airgapped cluster underneath Kirkland for about a decade now!
Pinky Promise!
Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 22d
Cortana would have gotten more love if they made her a big booby desktop pet.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 22d
TBH she wouldn't have even needed big booba.
Just... even just an animated face mesh.
Like really, they fumbled that whole concept so hard... a competent marketing department could made Cortana in basically the professional version of Hatsune Miku.
Even clippy had fucking animations.
Abyssian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
Clippy had fucking animations? That's wild.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 21d
Yeah! It was a bunch of different gifs! Maybe ... 128x128 px at 12 or 24 fps, something like that?
He'd make 'facial expressions', and move around... looked kinda like Veggie Tales style animation.
And there was more than just Clippy, he was just the default. There was like... an Einstein look a like... a dog... I think there were at least 8 different little mascot type things, to go along with the actual 'speech bubble' style, actual user interface.
I remember just fucking around with this shit in the early 00s, in the computer lab.
EDIT
Ok, here's the Office 97 version:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-QBlKo6o4Ec
By the time I was using Office, a few years later, they'd figured out how to hide the 'window' that Clippy appears in, and basically alpha mask the gifs, make the backgrounds of them transparent.
So, not a true 'desktop buddy', as you had to have Word open, but ... yeah Clippy basically 'lived in' Word, if that makes any sense.
Abyssian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
I knew it had animations, just not fucking animations.
daggermoon@piefed.world · 9 pts · 23d
I definitely trust Microsoft as a VPN provider.
vogi@piefed.social · 8 pts · 23d
Still so weird to me that from all their products they have killed over the years the Rewards are still "living".
Evotech@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 21d
Blue and green logo: ✅
Name is Edge: ✅
vandsjov@feddit.dk · 1 pts · 21d
Remember looking to buy a new car and was looking at a cheaper edition of model and one of the highlights where “Logo on the steering wheel”
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
My every day in traffic: "Ah yes, I'm driving a Honda, I almost forgot."
rounding_error@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 23d
I knew an idiot who used Bing Rewards as a reason to use Edge, saying you were stupid to not use it, since you got paid to browse and were getting free stuff. I mean, why even browse if you’re not getting paid? Why not be a digital serf for our tech overlords?
Tiral@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 21d
All their reasons or "benefits" are used to track you and sell your info lol.
japemasterBrad@programming.dev · 5 pts · 21d
Anything Microsoft recommends works in the opposite way, you should not trust. Same as opposite day!
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 21d
There's a legit use for Edge: if I have to test out how a website looks on Chromium, I don't need to install Chrome, yay.
For everything else, there's Firefox though.
Sgn@programming.dev · 2 pts · 21d
Your websites dont look the same in both?
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
Edge uses the same rendering engine as Chrome. Web devs need to check to make sure different browsers respond to CSS, JavaScript, HTML, etc. the same way, as they all don't necessarily do so, even though they should.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 21d
Well that's the neat part, they do, so I rarely need to test them!
ddplf@szmer.info · 2 pts · 23d
Alright, the red circle is extra unnecessary in this case
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 22d
chrome checks all those boxes too. - the vpn.
reka@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21d
It is nice ✅
beebarfbadger@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21d
As have I.