Sometimes it's "reaction formation". They like a thing. That makes them uncomfortable. They instead go hard in the other direction - they hate the thing it's horrible and bad and the worst.
Sometimes they're just... basic, and need the world to fit into simple boxes. Anything else stresses their brain.
Because some ancient sex manuals written by ancient goat herders said that gay sex is gross, but it also said love thy neighbor, and none of the peasants at that time had the wherewithal to think "hey maybe only one of those things actually makes sense"
Edit: I'm not giving the peasants enough credit - a bunch of them probably did have the wherewithal, but the people in power murdered them for questioning the ancient sex manual, so that stopped that pretty quick
*In some sensible guardrails, let's exclude kids and maybe dead people, animals and such, you know. But as long as there's consent, I don't give a fuck.
No, ironically the Spartans in the movie made fun of the Athenians by calling them boy lovers. Which is hilarious considering that Spartan society was way more homosexual than Athenian society.
Idk, maybe if there was even a single reference to Spartan homosexuality then maybe. But Spartans were just depicted as beautiful strong who all loved their beautiful strong wives.
Lol, I think you might be giving it more credit than it deserves. I'm not sure if there is a lot of subtext in the movie 300. The writing in that movie is pretty minimal and straight forward. It's just a shoddy framework for some interesting (for the time) visual effects.
That is unless you think Zack Snyder was purposely creating media that would fascinate future chuds for years to come. Imo it's just the movie your average 14 year old boy would make in the 00s.
Ancient Greek gender identity was more of a "scale" of manliness
Sexuality was not an identity but a phase
The roles of penetrator and penetrated were split along the division of adult male and anyone else
An adult man receiving another was taboo
Young adult men were expected to court an adolescent lover
Adolescent men were to make them work for it (but also ultimately accept their role)
Full adults (late twenties) were to take a wife (usually adolescent girls) and stop pursuing boys
Also noteworthy is that preadolescents were off-limits. "Technically, it's ephebophilia" doesn't make it less fucked up, but it's also a distinction I suspect some of the "it was normal in Ancient Greece" chuds to overlook. Paedophilia wasn't acceptable back then either.
Men who courted other adult men were indeed seen as effeminate though. The post got that part right. But so were adults that failed to move on from their half-man phase of courting boys. I suspect those chuds miss that as well.
All in all, Ancient Greek ideas of sexuality don't neatly map onto modern ones, and they sure weren't progressive.
There is actually a pretty big gap between ancient and modern ideas of male on male intercourse. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you get the chance.
Look, I'm against age verification for privacy/democracy purposes. But like, can we have a dialogue pop up that asks whether or not we're ready for this kind of nonsense in our day?
54 Comments
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 38d
Hey now, the ancients were ped erasts, not ped ophiles. The fancy term makes it okay!
(Just don't point out that the difference is that pederasty means same-sex pedophilia. Or do! I wonder how they'd react.)
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 38d
How is there another nuanced difference in terminology for sexual attraction to children (that I didn't know yet)
Laser@feddit.org · 18 pts · 38d
Eight-year-olds, dude.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 38d
Because that one is mainly used by historians, not pedos trying to move the goalposts so they can pretend they aren't one.
bitwise@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 38d
Wait until you see the new PR hotness that is MAP (Minor Attracted Person)
đ€ą
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 38d
What's it called when a man loves a 600-year-old dragon in the body of an 8-year-old?
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 37d
loli, which is just more pedophilia
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 37d
The other day I saw Moe referenced not in an animĂ© context and was like đŹ - as a fan of animĂ© and similar styled art I know moe as an alt term for lolicore.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 52 pts · 38d
Why the fuck do people give that many fucks over how other people fuck? What does it matter?
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 38d
Because they're also gay but can't accept it
gedfromgont@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 37d
Yep, my heart goes out to @nomad understanding his feelings some day.
jtrek@startrek.website · 11 pts · 38d
Sometimes it's "reaction formation". They like a thing. That makes them uncomfortable. They instead go hard in the other direction - they hate the thing it's horrible and bad and the worst.
Sometimes they're just... basic, and need the world to fit into simple boxes. Anything else stresses their brain.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
Yeah it's something you see around when you start looking for it. It's such an unhappy but easy means to preserve ego
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 37d
Because some ancient sex manuals written by ancient goat herders said that gay sex is gross, but it also said love thy neighbor, and none of the peasants at that time had the wherewithal to think "hey maybe only one of those things actually makes sense"
Edit: I'm not giving the peasants enough credit - a bunch of them probably did have the wherewithal, but the people in power murdered them for questioning the ancient sex manual, so that stopped that pretty quick
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 5 pts · 37d
Nah, the ancients didn't give a fuck. Greek, Roman, Egyptian... Love is love and sex is sex
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 37d
I'm talking different ancients - the Judeans, Samaritans, Palestinians, etc
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 6 pts · 37d
Shouldn't have let them write the books. Single God was an error.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
And it's fucked how if you explore more than one religion, faith or spiritual practice you're considered a heretic.
roserose56@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 38d
Amen to this! Let people be, let people fuck what ever they want.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 12 pts · 38d
*In some sensible guardrails, let's exclude kids and maybe dead people, animals and such, you know. But as long as there's consent, I don't give a fuck.
edible_funk@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 38d
Harkness rule ftw.
kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 37d
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 3 pts · 38d
Captain Jack Harkness? Good example.
If I were the Face of Bo, I wouldn't bother with strange ideas of heterosexuality as well.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 36d
too bad the JACK BARROWMEN wasnt acting, lol. he was a pervert too, which is why he been cancelled from being in doctor who from then on.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 1 pts · 36d
Oof, that went by without my noticing.
666dollarfootlong@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 38d
They made homosex woke. Enough said
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 37d
Ruined the gay sex for the rest of us. Smdh
sundray@lemmus.org · 23 pts · 38d
They must be thinking about Hollywoodâs depiction of exaggerated âmanlyâ Spartan homosexuality. They just want to LARP 300 so bad, you guys.
homes@piefed.world · 3 pts · 38d
Did they actually show any homosexuality in the movie 300?
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 38d
No, ironically the Spartans in the movie made fun of the Athenians by calling them boy lovers. Which is hilarious considering that Spartan society was way more homosexual than Athenian society.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 38d
I always interpreted it as a Spartan preference for grown men over boys.
Like more Freddie Mercury and less Judy Garland, please.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 38d
Idk, maybe if there was even a single reference to Spartan homosexuality then maybe. But Spartans were just depicted as beautiful strong who all loved their beautiful strong wives.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 38d
The subtext speaks louder than the text in 300.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 38d
Lol, I think you might be giving it more credit than it deserves. I'm not sure if there is a lot of subtext in the movie 300. The writing in that movie is pretty minimal and straight forward. It's just a shoddy framework for some interesting (for the time) visual effects.
That is unless you think Zack Snyder was purposely creating media that would fascinate future chuds for years to come. Imo it's just the movie your average 14 year old boy would make in the 00s.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 38d
Subtext need not be intentional.
sundray@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 38d
I couldn't really tell you, I was... distracted.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 38d
The ancient Greek hate when you feminize the little boys they rape, everyone knows this.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 37d
This is the same kind of manosphere twitterbro circlejerk logic that brought us this
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 37d
I feel like my brain is being nerfed every day.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 15 pts · 37d
Tales of Times Forgotten: Just How Gay Were the Ancient Greeks Really?
The gist of it is
Also noteworthy is that preadolescents were off-limits. "Technically, it's ephebophilia" doesn't make it less fucked up, but it's also a distinction I suspect some of the "it was normal in Ancient Greece" chuds to overlook. Paedophilia wasn't acceptable back then either.
Men who courted other adult men were indeed seen as effeminate though. The post got that part right. But so were adults that failed to move on from their half-man phase of courting boys. I suspect those chuds miss that as well.
All in all, Ancient Greek ideas of sexuality don't neatly map onto modern ones, and they sure weren't progressive.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 37d
I think this man should learn that even looking through gay porn you can sort by categories.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 38d
All tops in ancient Greece. That's how wrestling started.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 2 pts · 38d
We must return to Gachimuchi
Remy@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 37d
What does he means with "ancient homosexuality" vs "feminized homosexuality" ? And then why he even cares about it?
unrealMinotaur@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 37d
There is actually a pretty big gap between ancient and modern ideas of male on male intercourse. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you get the chance.
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 37d
I'd rather go down a man hole given the conversation we're currently having.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 5 pts · 37d
Look, I'm against age verification for privacy/democracy purposes. But like, can we have a dialogue pop up that asks whether or not we're ready for this kind of nonsense in our day?
Windex007@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
Hell yah brother noting gay about pounding another dude as long as that dude is super masculine.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
Woke radical leftists ruined the sanctity of gayness?
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
Don't the Greeks and Roman's have a lot of stereotypical butt jokes made about them?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 37d
Why does Romans get an apostrophe but not Greeks and jokes?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
Also:
####s: plural form####'s: expresses ownerHueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 36d
Because autocorrect and laziness.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 0 pts · 37d
I have a gay friend, that mf jumpscared our GC so many time with photos on instagram of gay man that are more manly than nomad1941_001-35m