Edit: thank you for all the kind suggestions! š©· I ended up keeping my current TV for now. I was this š¤ close to buying a 48 inch LG B6E. Just before heading to the store, I got cold feet and decided to look through the settings of my current TV again. It's a 43 inch Panasonic 6700 from 2020. I don't know how I didn't realize this until now, but I was actually able to remove ALL preinstalled apps, which made the TV way snappier. I also found, after an unreasonable amount of digging, that there is a setting under input sources - HDMI 1 called HDMI Ultra HD that was TURNED OFF by default. š± My only gripe with my Panasonic is that it emits a lot of heat. When I checked out the LG earlier today, it barely felt hot at all⦠Well well⦠The heatwave is passing anyways, so⦠š
While I would relish the opportunity to live the rest of my life with a CRT TV, those are unreasonably expensive, being vintage and whatnot... :(
For circa five years, I have been debloating, deslopping and deshittifying my smartphones. Is this something that can be done on a modern TV too?
Preferably, I'd skip all that and instead buy a no slop, no bullshit TV. I want it to have an HDMI port, next gen picture quality and a size of 43 inches, give or take. No budget limitations as of yet. Hit me with your best shot!
Slop/bullshit = apps, AI, anything not directly related to playing motion pictures over HDMI.
33 Comments
i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 19d
I think the cool kids today buy commercial ādisplaysā (used for things like advertising in retail areas). They donāt have smart functions. They donāt connect to the internet. Thereās no tuner. Youād have to bring your own antenna, media player, HTPC, whatever to send it content, but itās 100% under your control.
The other option is a computer display - there are pretty large ones that act the same (probably just a commercial display in a different box for a different market). The prices werenāt historically that high if you didnāt need absurdly high resolution and refresh rates (gamer stats - irrelevant for general tv watching).
I havenāt tracked any specific brands for years so canāt give a specific recommendation, but Iād suggest looking for second hand. If a store goes out of business their displays will be cheaper than anything you get directly from a distributor.
If thatās a dead end, you can still look at a bloated smart TV. Just donāt connect it to the internet, ever. Generally the same result as using a simple display, except the bundled remote will probably have a bunch of stupid buttons youāll never use. My tv has a huge Netflix button and every time o accidentally press it I get a giant ad to buy Netflix š
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 19d
I've checked out a few of those digital signage displays, and I'm curious to hear about people's real experience with them.
A lot of them run Android as their OS and have LAN/WiFi built in for screen sharing, or programming a rotating display.
Which means they're just as "smart" as TVs, and might be as annoying to turn on/off and change modes.
They'd certainly have fewer intrusive ads, since businesses wouldn't be very happy with ads running on top of their ad boards, but would the rest be any better?
Again, curious what people's actual experience is.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 19d
Yeah, I looked it up recently and a lot of them are no longer what they used to be. You take a gamble on quality too, since a lot of them weren't really intended to do more than show static images or simple animations. And they're not exactly cheap either.
I hate smart TVs, but just about every TV is one these days. Sure you can get a computer monitor, but good luck finding a 50' computer monitor for the living room (and if it wasn't disgusting enough, I'm starting to see more and more "smart monitors" too).
Best option at this point is just to focus on the specs, make sure it's not a pain in the ass to change inputs, and never ever connect it to the internet. Ever.
Don't buy a Vizio, I've heard they're annoying about not being connected. And don't buy anything that runs Roku.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 19d
At least you wouldn't have ads on them. Which Might make up for any smarts. Might just be paying a couple hundred $ more for an ad free experience that doesn't actually need Internet to work.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 18d
There are some that have a Raspberry Pi integrated for the smart features, so you can just put whatever OS you want on it.
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 19d
Thanks! I'll look into these larger PC monitors and I guess "digital signage displays", as the other commenter pointed out. š
SirHaxalot@nord.pub · 2 pts · 19d
I think the question is if any of the commercial displays actually have good image quality? As you say itās often used for advertisements and in retail areas, and Iād expect that mean image quality doesnāt matter that much, just that itās cheap.
If budget isnāt an issue I would strongly recommend going for something with an OLED display (but not QLED). I have owned 3 generations of LG OLEDs now, and I have to say that picture quality is absolutely amazing. Though I have to admit that the software just have gotten worse with each generation. Mostly you can avoid it if youāre not using the built in apps but unfortunately there are quite a lot of issues with HDMI-CEC as well. It works well with my Apple TV, but sometimes thereās some weird behaviour with other devices, like a Switch or PS5. Iād live with that if the alternative is some cheap LCD variant though.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 19d
Sceptre U435CV-UMRD. One of the new non-portable "dumb" TVs left on the market. It's just a TV. It tunes to digital channels, or it takes whatever you feed its inputs and puts the picture on the screen. That's it. It's a 43" so close to but slightly below your size target. They do a 50" and a 65" version as well.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 19d
I have an LG C3 OLED from Costco and its easily the best TV I've ever had and got it for pretty cheap. Not sure if they make it in a smaller size than 55" though.
It does have smart slop integrated into it, but I blacklisted all the LG domains on my home router and haven't been nagged by any of this stuff since.
JDPoZ@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 19d
Go one step further.
Get the LG TVās MAC address, then from the router admin page (192.168.1.1), force your router to assign that LG TVās MAC address a specific fixed IP address, and then block every single external port for that IP address⦠then you can do local smart home stuff like with Home Assistant, but the TV will not talk to anything externally.
Additionally, then plug in a dedicated smart TV box to the TV like an NVIDIA Shield for a couple hundred bucks, install a 3rd party launcher like FLauncher so no more Google bullshit shows up, replace YouTube with SmartTube Next so you have YouTube without ads, and then S0undTV to replace Twitch that then also has no ads.
Had that setup now for years. Itās amazing.
oyfrog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 19d
Oh dang I didn't know about the twitch replacement. I'll have to check it out!
Bongles@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 18d
It's decent. Doesn't get a ton of updates, like the quality setting is a little broken - if you have source selected sometimes it'll be 480 when you switch streams, but if you choose auto it'll work fine.
Thorry@feddit.org · 11 pts · 19d
Get an OLED, the picture quality is amazing. Just never connect it to the internet, you can just plug in HDMI and it will simply work.
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 19d
as others have said those commercial TVs are a good pick for completely avoiding bullshit, sceptre also makes non smart TVs
as for budget picks ive found tcl is pretty good if you dont connect it to the internet, I got a 65" 4k screen for like 500 bucks and it works fine for me as someone who hates slop too. its snappy and doesn't get in my way
fprawn@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 19d
I have a deslopped setup that I'd recommend, but keep in mind all of my stuff is a few or more years old at this point so the newer models may not behave the same.
No ads, no bs buttons on my remote, it all works together with my audio setup and it's the same experience every single time I turn it on.
RanchBranch@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 19d
I have almost this same setup, but I put LineageOS on the shield, still use the shield remote, and run a Jellyfin server. I also have SmartTube for my SO, and Nebula, and CuriosityStream. I install everything through either F-droid, Aurora, or Obtainium
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 19d
Nah: Get a monitor and connect something to it instead.
Alternately, check out commercial displays if you really need an actual TV.
Pay attention to the panels they use more than the brands (companies like LG can use shitty panels and sometimes "generic" companies can put out some real nice stuff for not that much).
Steve@communick.news · 6 pts · 19d
Look at Digital Signage displays
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 19d
Cool! I didn't know there was a distinction! Thanks! :D
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 19d
If possible a 120Hz one, that refresh rate is a multiple of most frames per second used in movies and TV so it shouldn't do that awful thing during slow uniform motions.
SanderZeldenthuis@nord.pub · 3 pts · 19d
I just got a TV. I went to my local thrift store and paid 25 euro for a very nice 32" LG FLATRON "Full HD Monitor TV" all I know is it has HDMI and ports for every kind of game console and retro computer too. It has no smart anything. Not even a way to hook it up to a network.
BertramDitore@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 19d
If you donāt want to spend a premium on a commercial product or a large computer monitor (which will be more expensive than an off the shelf modern tv if you want high resolution), then Iām sorry to say your best bet is to simply never connect your tv to the internet. I have a Hisense U8H 55ā tv, and itās amazing. It has all the stupid shit included, but I literally never see any of it, because itās not connected to the internet and my input is either set to my Apple TV or my computerās HDMI port.
Itās 4K, has Dolby Vision, HDR10, filmmaker mode, etc., all the bells and whistles and it has never touched the internet, despite being capable of being a huge piece of shit if I ever did connect it, so I just donāt. Itās also about 4 years old at this point, and its software has never been updated (because I wonāt connect it to the internet), still works like the day I bought it.
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 18d
Edit: thank you for all the kind suggestions! š©· I ended up keeping my current TV for now. I was this š¤ close to buying a 48 inch LG B6E, which is UHD OLED. Just before heading to the store, I got cold feet and decided to look through the settings of my current TV again. It's a 43 inch Panasonic 6700 from 2020, which is UHD LED. I don't know how I didn't realize this until now, but I was actually able to remove ALL preinstalled apps, which made the TV way snappier. I also found, after an unreasonable amount of digging, that there is a setting under input sources - HDMI 1 called HDMI Ultra HD that was TURNED OFF by default. š± My only gripe with my Panasonic is that it emits a lot of heat. When I checked out the LG earlier today, it barely felt hot at all... Well well... The heatwave is passing anyways, so... š
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
LG is in the dog house right now for installing malware on computers. Their app autamaticlly gets installed and grants it self full access to the system. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9uefFYe6bM
akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 17d
El Crapo. š
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d
if your goal is a better product without bullshit tracking. Look at getting commercial signage TVs. most are built with higher quality screens that are supposed to stay on 24/7. they use less power. they also don't have all the "smart" shit.
I got myself a 70" Samsung. I think it was around $900 and came with a 5 year warranty (over a 1 year with standard units).
I use it as a TV/monitor.
don't expect it to do 360hz at 12k resolutions or whatever the new shit is though. mine is a 4k at 60hz but does just fine on average daily use.
Toes@ani.social · 1 pts · 19d
Something within your budget that has a OLED screen.
Check out this site for comprehensive reviews.
https://www.rtings.com/tv
IWW4@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 19d
Youāre not going to get next gen video without apps.
everett@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 19d
True, but they can just connect their app-based streaming box of choice.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 19d
Uh-huh and that changes his criteria how?
everett@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 19d
OP never said what they're planning to play over HDMI. It very well could be app-based video, just from a separate streaming box/stick device. Your warning about needing apps to get the best video seems to miss this.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 19d
And that has no relevance.
He wants a TV with next generation video and no apps. There is no TV that has those two criteria.
everett@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 19d
"Preferably" doesn't make it a hard requirement. All the words matter.