I actually like this exchange; you know how many people I know who think they've got a 160+ IQ because of an online test they took that then tried to sell them something?
At least a dozen, a few of which are even family members. Statistically impossible, but do they care? No, they're super geniuses. God what I'd pay to see what they respond to their real score, lol
An online IQ test is probably just as meaningful as a sorting hat quiz, or whatever the 2020s equivalent is.
Which is to say, it’s useful as a bullshitting session conversation starter with friends so long as all are aware any results should be taken with a massive grain of salt.
Also IQ is just nonsense anyway. At the bare minimum intelligence isn't a high and low line, its one of those charts where you have scales in like 5 directions and it makes a colored blob except instead of 5 directions there are like, 100.
Iq doesn't matter really. Everyone has a skill. For example I had a coworker who when hired was in a dark time. Not to give any personal details but he lost his job, his wife left him, she took the kids all in like 3 months. He came in and plainly said I don't want to think, I don't want to solve problems just just give me a machine and tell me how to run it and it will be run.
He was the best damn coworker I had ever. He beat my record of work in that machine by about 150% on average, his record was something like 3x my record. Now if the machine gave an error he would come get me and tell me to fix the error. He didn't care how the machine worked or what was happening, he came in, made product and went home. He was insane at it. He didn't want to think, he didn't care. That's someone else's job, I just run machine. He probably made more profit for that company then any other 2 people combined.
He was amazing. He just wanted to be left alone and allowed to crank out work.
Based on this experience I think we should hire people who are in long term relationships and then have a seperate team whose job is to break that relationship for the increased output. /s that is way too evil for me
It can easily go the other way. I had a contract during which I lost a relationship right after losing my dad. Failed to deal with it, and soon after lost the contract too.
The point of me posting that is to say that IQ does not necessarily correlate with success.
For comparison, at the same time she was making a quarter of a million dollars a year, I, with my 136 IQ, was making like 90k, which was still pretty good, but compared to 250k is bupkis.
And it's not like she was my boss or anything, we worked in the same group, but she was about 20 years older than me with a PhD.
I only did a weird one for kids at the age of 9. max IQ points was 120 and I got 119. I asked why its not 120 and they said I was wrong with the end of WW2. I wrote 1949 and it was actually 1945.
Seeing my 9 year old son today, I am surprised how close my understanding about WW2s end was.
SAT scores are just as meaningless as IQ tests. Both are more an indication of your test taking skills. Certification programs can be a little better, but if you buy a decent study guide and use your test taking skills you should be able to pass many of these.
The official test iq i did(for autism diagnosis) had questions that had you order words in alphabet order(i did not know the alphabet order) and asked me to define a word that is not used anymore
IQ tests don't measure shit. And for the most part are pretty easy. There are only so many "follow the pattern" drawings the test makers can come up with. And outside field specific nomenclature, English isn't getting a whole ton of extra words as time goes on. I've taken two formal ones at two different times in my life (child for school and then as an adult for an interview with a HFT company). And scored in the top 2-3 percentile. Is my score von Neumann levels of smart? Nah, not even close.
Fun fact, a man had the liquids in his brain swell up to the point of leaving the brain as a spread out layer on the walls of his skull.
Despite this extreme disfigurement of his brain, he had a job, a family with multiple kids, and the only possible side effects of 70 IQ (which wasn't even proven to be because of this) and a twitchy leg, which went away when they drained the pressure from the fluid.
I'm pretty sure IQ is something that varies a lot over a lifetime. The last time i had one was while on a 3 month psychiatric rehabilitation stay because i was in a pretty bad shape, with a value of 103. I am pretty sure that if i had repeated that test after all of that therapy and distance to the bullshit of everyday life, that i would've scored higher. After my stay i was a lot quicker on the uptake, a lot less stressed by exam situations and left a lot of brain fog behind.
IQ is actually one of the most stable metrics we have for intelligence. It does change with brain development but its also a comparative amongst your age group so your IQ remains very stable throughout your life.
It's not to say you didnt mess up on your test at one point, or that someone who is having a mental episode cant distort it via anxiety or whatever
For real, like, honestly, if you walk up to a kid and slap them and then force them to take an IQ test, they could possibly test as mentally disabled even if they were in the genius range before you slapped them.
Your mental state, your mood, your home life, how much sleep you got that night, your diet, all of those things can affect your performance on the actual test.
I wish someone had told my father this when I was little. He might just have stopped hitting me and calling me stupid if someone other than me pointed it out.
Its widely considered as the standard metric for general intelligence.
That's not to say it is perfect or doesnt have gaps, it doesn't assess creativity, EQ, rational thinking, wisdom or impacts from socioeconomic.
However what is does measure are things like abstract reasoning, pattern recognition, working memory.
Its one of the strongest single predictors of academic performance, job complexity learning, and overall occupational success, and those things pretty obviously correlated with general intelligence.
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Kolanaki@pawb.social · 81 pts · 17d
Psychilicist: a psychologist that is super chill.
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca · 43 pts · 17d
I was thinking a cross between a psychologist and a ventriloquist: they ask you about your mom, and then they answer for you.
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 17d
.. While their hand is up your ass
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 17d
I gotta get their number
protist@retrofed.com · 10 pts · 17d
Psychlilatrist: A psychiatrist who's little
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 17d
They don't need a full sized psychiatrist for such a small mind.
M137@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 17d
That's not what they wrote though.
taiyang@lemmy.world · 62 pts · 17d
I actually like this exchange; you know how many people I know who think they've got a 160+ IQ because of an online test they took that then tried to sell them something?
At least a dozen, a few of which are even family members. Statistically impossible, but do they care? No, they're super geniuses. God what I'd pay to see what they respond to their real score, lol
superduperpirate@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 17d
An online IQ test is probably just as meaningful as a sorting hat quiz, or whatever the 2020s equivalent is.
Which is to say, it’s useful as a bullshitting session conversation starter with friends so long as all are aware any results should be taken with a massive grain of salt.
AmyAye@nord.pub · 10 pts · 16d
And the test is like "Whats 5+789?"
Also IQ is just nonsense anyway. At the bare minimum intelligence isn't a high and low line, its one of those charts where you have scales in like 5 directions and it makes a colored blob except instead of 5 directions there are like, 100.
vrek@programming.dev · 38 pts · 17d
Iq doesn't matter really. Everyone has a skill. For example I had a coworker who when hired was in a dark time. Not to give any personal details but he lost his job, his wife left him, she took the kids all in like 3 months. He came in and plainly said I don't want to think, I don't want to solve problems just just give me a machine and tell me how to run it and it will be run.
He was the best damn coworker I had ever. He beat my record of work in that machine by about 150% on average, his record was something like 3x my record. Now if the machine gave an error he would come get me and tell me to fix the error. He didn't care how the machine worked or what was happening, he came in, made product and went home. He was insane at it. He didn't want to think, he didn't care. That's someone else's job, I just run machine. He probably made more profit for that company then any other 2 people combined.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 17d
That was me for a bit after a significant relationship. Did not wish to be alone with my thoughts. Was a model employee
vrek@programming.dev · 5 pts · 16d
He was amazing. He just wanted to be left alone and allowed to crank out work.
Based on this experience I think we should hire people who are in long term relationships and then have a seperate team whose job is to break that relationship for the increased output. /s that is way too evil for me
davidgro@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16d
It can easily go the other way. I had a contract during which I lost a relationship right after losing my dad. Failed to deal with it, and soon after lost the contract too.
vrek@programming.dev · 6 pts · 16d
Well go find the contract. It's probably in that drawer you throw old papers in
snooggums@piefed.world · 8 pts · 16d
I've known a few people who don't.
vrek@programming.dev · 6 pts · 16d
No, you knew a few people who were trying to have a skill they didn't have.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16d
Hey, you've met me 😁
vrek@programming.dev · 1 pts · 16d
You have some skill, just have to figure out what it is
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 17d
Needs more dragons
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og2unLDWNHg
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 35 pts · 17d
Master@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 16d
There are signs.
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 16d
I know someone whose IQ is measured at 86 and she has a PhD and makes a quarter million dollars a year.
IQ is a spectrum.
At 70, though, I believe you would be special needs.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 16d
I would move to suggest that money made is nothing more than correlated with IQ
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16d
The point of me posting that is to say that IQ does not necessarily correlate with success.
For comparison, at the same time she was making a quarter of a million dollars a year, I, with my 136 IQ, was making like 90k, which was still pretty good, but compared to 250k is bupkis.
And it's not like she was my boss or anything, we worked in the same group, but she was about 20 years older than me with a PhD.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 16d
Is she—and I mean this in the most respectful way I can—white?
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 25 pts · 17d
4chan, please never change
superduperpirate@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 17d
I’ve never actually taken a formal IQ test, and I’d have trouble justifying the time and effort.
I know exactly one person who took a formal IQ test, and it was because their parents pushed them into it in middle school.
If I won $50M in the powerball and never had to work again, maaaybe I could justify doing one just for shits and giggles.
Samsy@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 17d
I only did a weird one for kids at the age of 9. max IQ points was 120 and I got 119. I asked why its not 120 and they said I was wrong with the end of WW2. I wrote 1949 and it was actually 1945.
Seeing my 9 year old son today, I am surprised how close my understanding about WW2s end was.
Willy@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 17d
That was not an iq test.
Samsy@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 17d
Yes but it was bought to me as an IQ test. The reason I named it "weird IQ test".
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17d
All aan iq test measures, is how good you are at making iq texts
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 17d
But then you'd be tempted to become someone who tells people their IQ
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 17d
SAT scores are just as meaningless as IQ tests. Both are more an indication of your test taking skills. Certification programs can be a little better, but if you buy a decent study guide and use your test taking skills you should be able to pass many of these.
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 16d
The official test iq i did(for autism diagnosis) had questions that had you order words in alphabet order(i did not know the alphabet order) and asked me to define a word that is not used anymore
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 17d
IQ tests don't measure shit. And for the most part are pretty easy. There are only so many "follow the pattern" drawings the test makers can come up with. And outside field specific nomenclature, English isn't getting a whole ton of extra words as time goes on. I've taken two formal ones at two different times in my life (child for school and then as an adult for an interview with a HFT company). And scored in the top 2-3 percentile. Is my score von Neumann levels of smart? Nah, not even close.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 17d
Look at this guy he thinks IQ tests are easy
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social · 18 pts · 17d
Send his ass to a psyclilitrist
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 17d
Hello yes I am psychliltirist I am here to test ur head mush
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16d
Oh crap I forgot my testing hammer, I'll be right back.
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 17d
If you score in the bottom 10 %is more important than the top 10%
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 17d
For sure. At that level, you're functionally handicapped and the world is going to be difficult to navigate.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 17d
Also above 10%.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 17d
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 15d
Fun fact, a man had the liquids in his brain swell up to the point of leaving the brain as a spread out layer on the walls of his skull.
Despite this extreme disfigurement of his brain, he had a job, a family with multiple kids, and the only possible side effects of 70 IQ (which wasn't even proven to be because of this) and a twitchy leg, which went away when they drained the pressure from the fluid.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 17d
I'm pretty sure IQ is something that varies a lot over a lifetime. The last time i had one was while on a 3 month psychiatric rehabilitation stay because i was in a pretty bad shape, with a value of 103. I am pretty sure that if i had repeated that test after all of that therapy and distance to the bullshit of everyday life, that i would've scored higher. After my stay i was a lot quicker on the uptake, a lot less stressed by exam situations and left a lot of brain fog behind.
IQ tests are an imperfect snapshot.
Polyphilic@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 17d
IQ is actually one of the most stable metrics we have for intelligence. It does change with brain development but its also a comparative amongst your age group so your IQ remains very stable throughout your life.
It's not to say you didnt mess up on your test at one point, or that someone who is having a mental episode cant distort it via anxiety or whatever
bizarroland@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16d
For real, like, honestly, if you walk up to a kid and slap them and then force them to take an IQ test, they could possibly test as mentally disabled even if they were in the genius range before you slapped them.
Your mental state, your mood, your home life, how much sleep you got that night, your diet, all of those things can affect your performance on the actual test.
OryxAndCake@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 16d
I wish someone had told my father this when I was little. He might just have stopped hitting me and calling me stupid if someone other than me pointed it out.
SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16d
It's a great metric for how well you take an IQ test. No one should really be using it as a measurement for general intelligence.
Polyphilic@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 16d
Its widely considered as the standard metric for general intelligence.
That's not to say it is perfect or doesnt have gaps, it doesn't assess creativity, EQ, rational thinking, wisdom or impacts from socioeconomic.
However what is does measure are things like abstract reasoning, pattern recognition, working memory.
Its one of the strongest single predictors of academic performance, job complexity learning, and overall occupational success, and those things pretty obviously correlated with general intelligence.
TheUnsungRooster@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 6d
Ouch, mine is 89.