I did a bit of googling since making that comment, apparently it is in the American south.
I really hate how fascists keep stealing symbols. I believe they've been doing it from their inception. I believe I read a while ago that even a variant of the Celtic cross had also been used as a hate symbol as well.
Personally my mentality is "don't let them have it". If fascists use a symbol, in many cases we should continue using it so their attempt at hijacking it fails.
Although I still wouldn't really associate the Jerusalem cross with the UK, moreso just generally a symbol of historic/traditional Christianity
I do agree with claiming symbols.
Although, I think context matters a lot. A swastika on a Buddhist statue is great. A swastika on a skin-head's forehead sends a different message.
In the same way, I think this symbol in black on the British flag could be misinterpreted.
I think moving it off the flag was the best option for everyone.
Ehhh I would be kind of wary about a black cross like that on the British flag, do you have any screenshots?
My church has the Jerusalem cross incorporated in it's bookplate, with symbols and writings related to the history of The Church Catholick, so usually I'd associate it with that.
The British flag is already a Christian symbol, it doesn't need an extra cross
I don't think that's a good look on a British flag, as it's a symbol of Christian militarism.
I'd propose we keep the other Hello Internet flag, but remove the Cross Potent, or move the cross to somewhere off the flag.
Personally I wouldn't use a cross potent to symbolise the UK (although it is popularly used by Anglican Christians), but the British flag is literally a combination of the flag of three saints, lol
I'd love your help to build the new cross to the left of the HI symbol. Currently I'm using all my pixels fixing your overwrites to the flag though. Could we work together on the cross?
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flamingos@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 41d
Oh shit, I completely forgot canvas was on.
flamingos@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 41d
A lot of fighting happening over that white cross flag.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 41d
Yeah, @SlicedOrange@feddit.uk is concerned that the Hello Internet podcast flag could be misinterpreted as a hate symbol.
https://podpedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Hello_Internet_flag_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_cross
Do you think it's a cause for concern?
flamingos@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 41d
It's not what my mind jumped to when seeing it, but I can defiantly see Orange's concern.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 41d
Since when was the Jerusalem Cross a hate symbol?
flamingos@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 41d
It's literally explained in the article.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 41d
I did a bit of googling since making that comment, apparently it is in the American south.
I really hate how fascists keep stealing symbols. I believe they've been doing it from their inception. I believe I read a while ago that even a variant of the Celtic cross had also been used as a hate symbol as well.
Personally my mentality is "don't let them have it". If fascists use a symbol, in many cases we should continue using it so their attempt at hijacking it fails.
Although I still wouldn't really associate the Jerusalem cross with the UK, moreso just generally a symbol of historic/traditional Christianity
SlicedOrange@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 41d
I do agree with claiming symbols. Although, I think context matters a lot. A swastika on a Buddhist statue is great. A swastika on a skin-head's forehead sends a different message. In the same way, I think this symbol in black on the British flag could be misinterpreted. I think moving it off the flag was the best option for everyone.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 41d
Ehhh I would be kind of wary about a black cross like that on the British flag, do you have any screenshots?
My church has the Jerusalem cross incorporated in it's bookplate, with symbols and writings related to the history of The Church Catholick, so usually I'd associate it with that.
The British flag is already a Christian symbol, it doesn't need an extra cross
SlicedOrange@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 41d
Here's what it looked like:
SlicedOrange@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 41d
Would like to reach a consensus on this. I know that some see it as the Hello Internet flag. But I think it looks more like a Cross Potent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_potent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_cross
I don't think that's a good look on a British flag, as it's a symbol of Christian militarism. I'd propose we keep the other Hello Internet flag, but remove the Cross Potent, or move the cross to somewhere off the flag.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 41d
Personally I wouldn't use a cross potent to symbolise the UK (although it is popularly used by Anglican Christians), but the British flag is literally a combination of the flag of three saints, lol
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 41d
Can we redraw it to the left of the 'HI', so it's further away from the British flag?
flamingos@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 41d
cc @Deebster@infosec.pub
Deebster@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 41d
I had seen thread, but until the new one starts I'm fixing the canvas to match the template and not overwrite others' art.
SlicedOrange@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 41d
I'd love your help to build the new cross to the left of the HI symbol. Currently I'm using all my pixels fixing your overwrites to the flag though. Could we work together on the cross?
Deebster@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 41d
I see a too-tall box starting, I'll join in there.
SlicedOrange@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 41d
@threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works - could you send a template for the new HI Cross? And update the Feddit template?
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 41d
@flamingos@feddit.uk @Deebster@infosec.pub @Flax_vert@feddit.uk @matelt@feddit.uk
Sorry for the delay, here's the new template. HI cross flag in new location, and a few other small fixes:
https://canvas.fediverse.events/#tu=https%3A%2F%2Fsh.itjust.works%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2F63924cf8-379a-4ec1-986d-7a40ce551545.png&tw=90&tx=55&ty=0&ts=DOTTED_SMALL&x=100&y=45&zoom=1
SlicedOrange@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 41d
Thank you!
SlicedOrange@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 41d
Yup! Would love to help with this!
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 41d
Link to template: https://canvas.fediverse.events/#tu=https%3A%2F%2Fsh.itjust.works%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2F63924cf8-379a-4ec1-986d-7a40ce551545.png&tw=90&tx=55&ty=0&ts=DOTTED_SMALL&x=100&y=45&zoom=1
Edit: Updated template link.
matelt@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 41d
I wrote the Feddit.uk bit, thank you so much for doing the Union Jack ❤️ and for fixing vandalism
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 40d
I did my part and held guard for 15 minutes. And then I made Wally's eye's red.