Man & Mouse

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Dagamant@lemmy.world · 97 pts · 21d (10 replies)

I have seen mice eat each other alive. I’m 100% sure they would build a mousetrap

lepthesr@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 21d (9 replies)

I'm pretty sure they just do when starved? Maybe a target opportunity if it's dead, but I'm curious how you've seen this?

Dagamant@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 21d (3 replies)
greencoil@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 4 pts · 20d

An alternative view point : https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/jon-day/the-beautiful-ones

The accuracy of Calhoun’s observations about rat sociology, still less their relevance to human society, remains a matter of debate. Even at the time he was criticised for the methodologies of his experiments (one colleague at NIMH told him that ‘there are so many variables in your research that you can’t possibly draw any conclusions about anything’).

Many of the behaviours he considered ‘aberrant’ – cannibalism, aggression, homosexual mating – are not uncommon in rodent society. As both books acknowledge, his experiments have never been successfully replicated by other researchers, and wild colonies of rats don’t seem to display any of the personality types he so vividly described. He rarely published in mainstream scientific journals, saying that his concerns were so pressing that he didn’t have time to wait for peer review.

It seems plausible that Calhoun was responsible for creating the conditions for population collapse. He only cleaned out Universe 25 every six to eight weeks; disease and parasitism could account for many of the phenomena he thought were due to mere proximity. It can’t have helped that, other than the ladders and ramps, the Universes didn’t provide much in the way of stimulation. Calhoun thought of his rat cities as utopias, but they seem more like well-stocked prisons. No wonder they didn’t bring out the best in the inmates.

I generally raise eye brows any time the dangers of overpopulation come up, as it always a concern of eugenicists. These sorts of research studies are constantly looking for data that confirms beliefs they already held, and they never want to look any further in what the root causes are. The foregone conclusion is always demanding population control, followed with the healthy dose of "I'm just asking questions!".

Malyca@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 21d

I didn't know about this, fascinating

CPMSP@midwest.social · 2 pts · 21d

That's some powerful shit

village604@adultswim.fan · 9 pts · 21d (4 replies)

Keep pet mice for long enough and you'll witness cannibalism.

lepthesr@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21d (3 replies)

Starved?

the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 21d (2 replies)

No, they just do that. Mice are jerks.

StillAlive@piefed.world · 7 pts · 21d (1 reply)

That explains Disney.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 21d

What did Disney do?

jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 73 pts · 21d (5 replies)

The quote actually originated from a German aphorist named Werner Mitsch (1936–2009).

notsure@fedia.io · 16 pts · 21d

I appreciate your diligence.

Redjard@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 21d (1 reply)

People would do that? Go on the internet and tell lies?
- Albert Einstein

MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d

I read it on the internet. Therefore its true.

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 21d (1 reply)

People in the past got much better job titles than us.

fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 21d

"If you're self-employed, you can assign yourself any job title you want."

- Fakeman Pretendname, Double-Emperor

speakupattheback@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 21d (4 replies)

Is there anything more pathetic than falsely attributing a banal quotation you like to Albert Einstein so people on the internet take it more seriously.

This one's been doing the rounds for years but there's a bunch

SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 32 pts · 20d (1 reply)

-- Albert Einstein

filcuk@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 20d

Wise man indeed, way ahead his time apparently

Johanno@feddit.org · 10 pts · 20d (1 reply)

Always trust random texts with wrong attribution on the Internet.

-- Buddha

pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 19d

that's funny

— Alexander the great

the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 21d

Only because they can't.

I've kept mice, they would absolutely build a mouse trap if they could. They are cold, vicious little jerks.

AliOski@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 21d

Well duh, they are too stupid for that.

They will definitely kill the other mouse if that means they'll survive instead.

ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 20d (2 replies)

But one day they might have tiny little guns

phorq@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 20d (1 reply)

I've only read about one with a motorcycle and seen a movie about one that could cook. So yeah, definitely some mafia/gang stuff going on there...

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 20d

i did see this one about mice wizards too. multiple ones about mice wizards.

peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 21d (7 replies)

We confirmed this quote? I dont wanna be a dick, but I am a dick. Just asking.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 11 pts · 21d (2 replies)

I did, it's 100% true. He wrote it in his diary it in 1953 after attending the original Barbenhainer screenings.

Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 21d (1 reply)

I hate time travelers constantly messing with time and getting to see movie before we do, they probably already played GTA 6 too.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 2 pts · 21d

Noooo, it was the original 1953 Barbie and Oppenheimer movies, not the 2023 remakes.

AxisExperience9@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 20d

Let's normalize categorizing this sort of behavior as non-dickish. Now, more than ever, and especially on the internet, we should be questioning everything we see. We must stop passively ingesting everything we see on the internet as fact. So good on you for questioning.

edit: grammar

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 21d (2 replies)

Pics or it didn't happen

peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 19d (1 reply)

Ill slid it in your dms as soon as i get a chance.

SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 19d

🙃

bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 19d

Nah they just eat each other alive, far more civil

numbermess@fedia.io · 8 pts · 21d

And that man's name? Albert Einstein (maybe)

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 8 pts · 21d

Bro hasn’t watched five minutes of discovery channel.

bloogoose@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 21d
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Magnum@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 20d

I can confirm this, I was the singular stone Albert always carried around.

blueworld@piefed.world · 5 pts · 21d (2 replies)

Given the OpenAI/HuggingFace Agentic AI breaking loose and diagnostics to find it, this seems to frame our direction right now. We seem to be barreling ahead into making our own mantrap.

eah@programming.dev · 9 pts · 21d (1 reply)

That was just an advertisement for the AI companies. I'm surprised the media aired it. Well,... not surprised. It's the media.

crispbacon99@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 21d

Not just that but it's like the third time they've done this. I remember them saying the same about fable 5 but from using it myself, wasn't drastically different from previous models

starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 19d

Mice absolutely would build a mouse trap if they could lmao

Here's an aphorism for you: humans are the only species with the requisite knowledge to build the atomic bomb, and the good sense to know when to quit using it

Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 20d

If they were smart enough they would. Keep the competition out of their building. Too many mice running around and the exterminators gets called. One smart mouse and they'll hardly even notice.

bstix@feddit.dk · 0 pts · 21d

A fake quote about traps and putting a hair on the image is a nice self reference to what this really is.