The accuracy of Calhoun’s observations about rat sociology, still less their relevance to human society, remains a matter of debate. Even at the time he was criticised for the methodologies of his experiments (one colleague at NIMH told him that ‘there are so many variables in your research that you can’t possibly draw any conclusions about anything’).
Many of the behaviours he considered ‘aberrant’ – cannibalism, aggression, homosexual mating – are not uncommon in rodent society. As both books acknowledge, his experiments have never been successfully replicated by other researchers, and wild colonies of rats don’t seem to display any of the personality types he so vividly described. He rarely published in mainstream scientific journals, saying that his concerns were so pressing that he didn’t have time to wait for peer review.
It seems plausible that Calhoun was responsible for creating the conditions for population collapse. He only cleaned out Universe 25 every six to eight weeks; disease and parasitism could account for many of the phenomena he thought were due to mere proximity. It can’t have helped that, other than the ladders and ramps, the Universes didn’t provide much in the way of stimulation. Calhoun thought of his rat cities as utopias, but they seem more like well-stocked prisons. No wonder they didn’t bring out the best in the inmates.
I generally raise eye brows any time the dangers of overpopulation come up, as it always a concern of eugenicists. These sorts of research studies are constantly looking for data that confirms beliefs they already held, and they never want to look any further in what the root causes are. The foregone conclusion is always demanding population control, followed with the healthy dose of "I'm just asking questions!".
Is there anything more pathetic than falsely attributing a banal quotation you like to Albert Einstein so people on the internet take it more seriously.
This one's been doing the rounds for years but there's a bunch
Let's normalize categorizing this sort of behavior as non-dickish. Now, more than ever, and especially on the internet, we should be questioning everything we see. We must stop passively ingesting everything we see on the internet as fact. So good on you for questioning.
Given the OpenAI/HuggingFace Agentic AI breaking loose and diagnostics to find it, this seems to frame our direction right now. We seem to be barreling ahead into making our own mantrap.
Not just that but it's like the third time they've done this. I remember them saying the same about fable 5 but from using it myself, wasn't drastically different from previous models
Mice absolutely would build a mouse trap if they could lmao
Here's an aphorism for you: humans are the only species with the requisite knowledge to build the atomic bomb, and the good sense to know when to quit using it
If they were smart enough they would. Keep the competition out of their building. Too many mice running around and the exterminators gets called. One smart mouse and they'll hardly even notice.
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Dagamant@lemmy.world · 97 pts · 21d
I have seen mice eat each other alive. I’m 100% sure they would build a mousetrap
lepthesr@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 21d
I'm pretty sure they just do when starved? Maybe a target opportunity if it's dead, but I'm curious how you've seen this?
Dagamant@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 21d
Give this a peek
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/this-old-experiment-with-mice-led-to-bleak-predictions-for-humanitys-future-180954423/
greencoil@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 4 pts · 20d
An alternative view point : https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/jon-day/the-beautiful-ones
I generally raise eye brows any time the dangers of overpopulation come up, as it always a concern of eugenicists. These sorts of research studies are constantly looking for data that confirms beliefs they already held, and they never want to look any further in what the root causes are. The foregone conclusion is always demanding population control, followed with the healthy dose of "I'm just asking questions!".
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 21d
I didn't know about this, fascinating
CPMSP@midwest.social · 2 pts · 21d
That's some powerful shit
village604@adultswim.fan · 9 pts · 21d
Keep pet mice for long enough and you'll witness cannibalism.
lepthesr@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21d
Starved?
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 21d
No, they just do that. Mice are jerks.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 7 pts · 21d
That explains Disney.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 21d
What did Disney do?
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 73 pts · 21d
The quote actually originated from a German aphorist named Werner Mitsch (1936–2009).
notsure@fedia.io · 16 pts · 21d
I appreciate your diligence.
Redjard@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 21d
People would do that? Go on the internet and tell lies?
- Albert Einstein
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21d
I read it on the internet. Therefore its true.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 21d
People in the past got much better job titles than us.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 21d
- Fakeman Pretendname, Double-Emperor
speakupattheback@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 21d
Is there anything more pathetic than falsely attributing a banal quotation you like to Albert Einstein so people on the internet take it more seriously.
This one's been doing the rounds for years but there's a bunch
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 32 pts · 20d
-- Albert Einstein
filcuk@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 20d
Wise man indeed, way ahead his time apparently
Johanno@feddit.org · 10 pts · 20d
Always trust random texts with wrong attribution on the Internet.
-- Buddha
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 19d
that's funny
— Alexander the great
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 21d
Only because they can't.
I've kept mice, they would absolutely build a mouse trap if they could. They are cold, vicious little jerks.
AliOski@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 21d
Well duh, they are too stupid for that.
They will definitely kill the other mouse if that means they'll survive instead.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 20d
But one day they might have tiny little guns
phorq@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 20d
I've only read about one with a motorcycle and seen a movie about one that could cook. So yeah, definitely some mafia/gang stuff going on there...
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 20d
i did see this one about mice wizards too. multiple ones about mice wizards.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 21d
We confirmed this quote? I dont wanna be a dick, but I am a dick. Just asking.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 11 pts · 21d
I did, it's 100% true. He wrote it in his diary it in 1953 after attending the original Barbenhainer screenings.
Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 21d
I hate time travelers constantly messing with time and getting to see movie before we do, they probably already played GTA 6 too.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 2 pts · 21d
Noooo, it was the original 1953 Barbie and Oppenheimer movies, not the 2023 remakes.
AxisExperience9@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 20d
Let's normalize categorizing this sort of behavior as non-dickish. Now, more than ever, and especially on the internet, we should be questioning everything we see. We must stop passively ingesting everything we see on the internet as fact. So good on you for questioning.
edit: grammar
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 21d
Pics or it didn't happen
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 19d
Ill slid it in your dms as soon as i get a chance.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 19d
🙃
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 19d
Nah they just eat each other alive, far more civil
numbermess@fedia.io · 8 pts · 21d
And that man's name? Albert Einstein (maybe)
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe · 8 pts · 21d
Bro hasn’t watched five minutes of discovery channel.
bloogoose@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 21d
Magnum@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 20d
I can confirm this, I was the singular stone Albert always carried around.
blueworld@piefed.world · 5 pts · 21d
Given the OpenAI/HuggingFace Agentic AI breaking loose and diagnostics to find it, this seems to frame our direction right now. We seem to be barreling ahead into making our own mantrap.
eah@programming.dev · 9 pts · 21d
That was just an advertisement for the AI companies. I'm surprised the media aired it. Well,... not surprised. It's the media.
crispbacon99@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 21d
Not just that but it's like the third time they've done this. I remember them saying the same about fable 5 but from using it myself, wasn't drastically different from previous models
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 19d
Mice absolutely would build a mouse trap if they could lmao
Here's an aphorism for you: humans are the only species with the requisite knowledge to build the atomic bomb, and the good sense to know when to quit using it
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 20d
If they were smart enough they would. Keep the competition out of their building. Too many mice running around and the exterminators gets called. One smart mouse and they'll hardly even notice.
bstix@feddit.dk · 0 pts · 21d
A fake quote about traps and putting a hair on the image is a nice self reference to what this really is.