Thanking an employee for joining before termination sounds insincere and odd. I understand it's to appear polite however I don't think it should be best practice.
A more appropriate opening would be "Hi X, I have some difficult news to share."
... as that would be quite something, given that your office apparently ... burst into flames, not too long ago?
You ok?
As per our previous emails, I'll be reporting that to the city fire marshall as well, as you really would think a sprinkler system of some kind would have tiggered.
I'm sure you don't still keep that pannini press in your office, so my only guess would be some kind of electrical outlet or breaker is not up to code.
Anyway, I'll look over the IAR when I get back from the vacation I am currently on.
Hey sp3ctr4l,
Please sit down. I have some difficult news to share. Unfortunately the company has decided to end your employment effective today. You will get your record of employment by email and enclosed is your package. Please sign and return as soon as possible.
Security will escort you out.
Bye.
proceeds to add sp3ctr4l onto the unsuitable candidates list
I was working as a contractor for a company, and two of us were told that we'd be moved to permanent roles but it kept getting blocked higher up.
It then became obvious why, because then they announced they are cutting all contractors and I heard they were moving our roles to a region where it's cheaper to pay salaries.
Then we all get called into this large meeting with our team members and some adjacent teams as some form of farewell.
The meeting host starts off with something like, we have a few people that will be leaving us soon so let's go around and share some happy memories and what you enjoyed about working for [Company Name].
Yeah I just straight up left the meeting at that point.
I've heard the whole "this position can change to permanent" story so many times, where it doesn't. It should be illegal to make promises like that and not follow through.
Our manager tried, a few times, but the process got blocked further up.
I would have started as perm but there was some odd internal policy and the person who hired me in, a friend of a friend, mentioned that HR do not like it when someone gets hired and get a salary that is more than 15% of their previous salary.
I fell into that category, but they were willing to pay a day rate that ended up well exceeding what they would have paid me as perm... probably about 30%+.
But then it would have been more difficult to get rid of me.
So the plan was to get me in as contract, get a decent day rate and then move over to perm after 6 months and use that day rate to negotiate a decent salary. Then the boss of that area changed, and when he came on he said he was not going to make changes, just observe. A total lie that is obviously a lie.
I have had to do the termination not that long ago, it’s not that great for the other side either, thanking them for joining and not avoiding the meeting is mot insincere, it would be way more awkward if the employee would be avoiding the meeting
I had someone on my team who we had to let go for not showing up to work, and it took 3 tries to just get him to join the call. For the backstory, he basically didn't work for ~9 months into the pandemic when we were all working from home. He wasn't very productive when we'd be in the office, but when WFH, he seemed to only do work when we were on our one on ones, and it got to the point where I had to schedule a 3 hour call every day to motivate him to do work. Eventually he stopped showing up to most of those and was wasn't getting anything done, and wasn't fair to everyone else on the team picking up the slack. Sucked for everyone involved.
Not sure if you are aware, but there are countries that exist outside the US.
Were you by any chance terminated from your job as a Geography teacher? i can see why
A quick Google shows that there's no real evidence of involvement. It seems like Epstein might've been trying to arrange for her to be present at a dinner with Gates, like as in him wanting Gates to get her there? Uncertain. I wasn't particularly rigorous though. I'm not claiming to have strong context.
The files are word searchable and include all sorts of documents including emails (and maybe texts.) So, if two asshole said they were going to see an Ann Hathaway movie after their pedo dinner, she’s show up.
Also, if someone shows up 2K+ times, they’ll make them president.
Last time I got laid off I got the email that I was being laid off three hours before my call with HR. Headquarters was on Eastern Time, so the layoff emails went out around 9am ET, but I was on a team that was mostly on Pacific Time so my call was after 9am PT. And I'm on Atlantic, so this was 10am and 1pm, and I was off that day. The clueless HR person offered me a moment to collect myself at the start of the call, as if I hadn't already had plenty of time for that. Just one big annoyance.
HR seems to be one of those jobs where it's great if you have education, but to land an entry level role, you don't need it necessarily. So you end up with a workforce who doesn't have critical thinking, problem solving, or advanced communication skills.
Professional bodies try to help fix it, but it seems it's not blocked off enough.
When I was a manager, I did my own damn firing. Not because I enjoyed it, but because the people that worked for me were people, not an employee number. It was genuinely hard, so I damn well thought about it before I shitcanned them.
I think it's the proximity to the camera that makes her face distorted. 😆 Looks like she's super close to your door's peephole or something. Bit creepy, yeah.
If I'm brutally honest, I don't like her teeth. She had baby teeth, very short teeth, and the tooth-to-gum ratio is too small. Too much gums.
It looks like she has dentures and I can't unsee that sh—. 😅
My wife has short teeth as well, but just slightly taller, and her gum ratio is spot on. I can't tell you what the ratio should be, I just know what it shouldn't be when I see it 😂🫠 My older boy's ratio is off just like Cruze's, haha. Can't wait to see what his adult teeth will look like...
Have you not had a job, or somehow they've never been allowed to fire you? I'm not playing dumb, I may actually be dumb - I just can't imagine what job doesn't carry a risk of being fired (except maybe tenured professor)?
I've been employed for a good 25 years of my life. I've either, been too valuable to fire and have had too much knowledge of where the bodies are buried, worked for myself, or worked for my parents company. I did have one normal job once a few years back, for 90 days and then it was a mutual resignation. Ive never really had a boss I've ever feared, ive always been on their "team".
Right on! I get this energy as well. Never had anyone "manage" me. Make my own schedule and I project deep roots into everything I touch and improve cutting me loose would be extremely painful.
I did work somewhere where the COO wanted to can my ass. But they were constantly told I was way to valuable by the rest of the c-suite and cool it. Their problem was I wouldn't kiss their ass and called them out on dumb ideas.
I show up to do work, not play politics. Turns out being good at what you do pays off sometimes.
Yeah, places with labour law make sure firing people is difficult. Bosses will bitch around but at least everyone have one less stress of not having food on the table.
56 Comments
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 60 pts · 32d
Thanking an employee for joining before termination sounds insincere and odd. I understand it's to appear polite however I don't think it should be best practice.
A more appropriate opening would be "Hi X, I have some difficult news to share."
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 61 pts · 32d
HR are professional gaslighters, that is literally their job.
Human Resources.
You, the human, a resource, for a company.
Their job is to manage and modify your behavior, as a resource, cattle with feelings.
...they are literally professional gaslighters.
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 31d
It's now "people and culture."
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 31d
I am writing to you today to inform you that I do not care.
Have a great day! =D
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 31d
Hello sp3ctr4l,
We do not appreciate your tone as it doesn't fit in our culture of respecting and hailing to corporate.
We will be writing you up for insubordination, violating our respect in the work place policy, and poor performance.
Here is your improvement action report.
Regards,
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 31d
I hope this message finds you well,
... as that would be quite something, given that your office apparently ... burst into flames, not too long ago?
You ok?
As per our previous emails, I'll be reporting that to the city fire marshall as well, as you really would think a sprinkler system of some kind would have tiggered.
I'm sure you don't still keep that pannini press in your office, so my only guess would be some kind of electrical outlet or breaker is not up to code.
Anyway, I'll look over the IAR when I get back from the vacation I am currently on.
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 31d
proceeds to call company lawyers
Hey sp3ctr4l, Please sit down. I have some difficult news to share. Unfortunately the company has decided to end your employment effective today. You will get your record of employment by email and enclosed is your package. Please sign and return as soon as possible.
Security will escort you out.
Bye.
proceeds to add sp3ctr4l onto the unsuitable candidates list
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 31d
[Auto-Reply]:
Hey, appreciate the message, I'm currently on vacation.
I'll respond as soon as I return to work!
kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 37 pts · 32d
An HR rep once told me to "have a nice day" after firing me.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 31d
Its the psychopath version of when the waiter says 'enjoy your food!' and you respond 'you too!'
HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 31d
I was working as a contractor for a company, and two of us were told that we'd be moved to permanent roles but it kept getting blocked higher up.
It then became obvious why, because then they announced they are cutting all contractors and I heard they were moving our roles to a region where it's cheaper to pay salaries.
Then we all get called into this large meeting with our team members and some adjacent teams as some form of farewell. The meeting host starts off with something like, we have a few people that will be leaving us soon so let's go around and share some happy memories and what you enjoyed about working for [Company Name].
Yeah I just straight up left the meeting at that point.
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 31d
I've heard the whole "this position can change to permanent" story so many times, where it doesn't. It should be illegal to make promises like that and not follow through.
HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 31d
Our manager tried, a few times, but the process got blocked further up.
I would have started as perm but there was some odd internal policy and the person who hired me in, a friend of a friend, mentioned that HR do not like it when someone gets hired and get a salary that is more than 15% of their previous salary.
I fell into that category, but they were willing to pay a day rate that ended up well exceeding what they would have paid me as perm... probably about 30%+. But then it would have been more difficult to get rid of me.
So the plan was to get me in as contract, get a decent day rate and then move over to perm after 6 months and use that day rate to negotiate a decent salary. Then the boss of that area changed, and when he came on he said he was not going to make changes, just observe. A total lie that is obviously a lie.
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 31d
The irony is how much money they lost over their practice, a good employee, and the cost (time, resources) of having to replace you.
HR gets the blame, but it may be the managers in charge running things like that.
kamee@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 32d
I have had to do the termination not that long ago, it’s not that great for the other side either, thanking them for joining and not avoiding the meeting is mot insincere, it would be way more awkward if the employee would be avoiding the meeting
bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 31d
I had someone on my team who we had to let go for not showing up to work, and it took 3 tries to just get him to join the call. For the backstory, he basically didn't work for ~9 months into the pandemic when we were all working from home. He wasn't very productive when we'd be in the office, but when WFH, he seemed to only do work when we were on our one on ones, and it got to the point where I had to schedule a 3 hour call every day to motivate him to do work. Eventually he stopped showing up to most of those and was wasn't getting anything done, and wasn't fair to everyone else on the team picking up the slack. Sucked for everyone involved.
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 32d
So they knew it was coming.
kamee@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 31d
I don’t know if they knew or not
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 31d
No one cares that you are politely ruining their life.
I've been fired into direct homelessness, and I made that HR cry.
Everyone should do that.
You need to feel that bad.
Otherwise, we will just keep going on with this inhuman system.
kamee@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 31d
Yes, all interactions are the same, and there is no place for nuance, how could I forget this, apologies
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 31d
Apology not accepted.
You need to be crying, when you strip people's healthcare from them.
kamee@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 31d
Not sure if you are aware, but there are countries that exist outside the US. Were you by any chance terminated from your job as a Geography teacher? i can see why
kamee@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 31d
kamee@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 31d
Deme@sopuli.xyz · 40 pts · 32d
The HR person will get fired if the facial recognition sees her not smiling like that.
SGGeorwell@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 32d
Or Anne Hathaway when she’s about to sit down for dinner with Epstein and Gates.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
A name in the files doesn't mean they were involved in anything.
Care to share the actual allegations other than whatever you pull out of your ass?
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Ew, really? Thanks for the red pill.
Ava@piefed.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 32d
A quick Google shows that there's no real evidence of involvement. It seems like Epstein might've been trying to arrange for her to be present at a dinner with Gates, like as in him wanting Gates to get her there? Uncertain. I wasn't particularly rigorous though. I'm not claiming to have strong context.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 32d
Okay, that’s better… I guess. I’m not in a position to research it right now, so I appreciate that.
Sounds similar to why Bruce Willis is on the list. He was reached out to but it seems nothing came of it.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 32d
The files are word searchable and include all sorts of documents including emails (and maybe texts.) So, if two asshole said they were going to see an Ann Hathaway movie after their pedo dinner, she’s show up.
Also, if someone shows up 2K+ times, they’ll make them president.
ryper@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 31d
Last time I got laid off I got the email that I was being laid off three hours before my call with HR. Headquarters was on Eastern Time, so the layoff emails went out around 9am ET, but I was on a team that was mostly on Pacific Time so my call was after 9am PT. And I'm on Atlantic, so this was 10am and 1pm, and I was off that day. The clueless HR person offered me a moment to collect myself at the start of the call, as if I hadn't already had plenty of time for that. Just one big annoyance.
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 31d
HR stories really show how incompetent HR people are.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 31d
It's almost like being completely disconnected from reality is a prerequisite for HR.
MakingWork@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 31d
HR seems to be one of those jobs where it's great if you have education, but to land an entry level role, you don't need it necessarily. So you end up with a workforce who doesn't have critical thinking, problem solving, or advanced communication skills.
Professional bodies try to help fix it, but it seems it's not blocked off enough.
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 31d
When I was a manager, I did my own damn firing. Not because I enjoyed it, but because the people that worked for me were people, not an employee number. It was genuinely hard, so I damn well thought about it before I shitcanned them.
nroth@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 32d
Too many teeth in that smile
huquad@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 32d
Found the brit
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Her and Julia Roberts have nightmare mouths.
Edit: I regret nothing.
victorz@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 31d
Anne's smile is so perfect it almost looks AI, bro
PrinzKasper@feddit.org · 4 pts · 31d
This photo cracks me up every time I see it. Perfectly uncanny psychotic expression.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
I think it's the proximity to the camera that makes her face distorted. 😆 Looks like she's super close to your door's peephole or something. Bit creepy, yeah.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 31d
"Perfect" isn't the first thing that comes to mind unless it's "perfectly off-putting".
victorz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 31d
Hard disagree. She's such a lovely person and beautiful smiler. The personality enhances the smile a lot for me, I think.
But I guess in this context, a better choice of word would be "symmetrical", for the purpose of describing the "AI" quality? 😅
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 31d
It's nothing against her personally, but unfortunately my brain is a visual indexer par excellence, I see her face and this pops in my mind instantly:
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
I can see that, lol. We all have our connotations I guess 😅
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 31d
Another woman with interesting features is Rachel Cruze, to me she's a Dr Seuss character. Adorably cute.
victorz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
I had to look her up, I find her to be alright.
If I'm brutally honest, I don't like her teeth. She had baby teeth, very short teeth, and the tooth-to-gum ratio is too small. Too much gums.
It looks like she has dentures and I can't unsee that sh—. 😅
My wife has short teeth as well, but just slightly taller, and her gum ratio is spot on. I can't tell you what the ratio should be, I just know what it shouldn't be when I see it 😂🫠 My older boy's ratio is off just like Cruze's, haha. Can't wait to see what his adult teeth will look like...
Shindo66@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
I've never had a job where i could be fired, it sounds incredibly stressful.
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 32d
Have you not had a job, or somehow they've never been allowed to fire you? I'm not playing dumb, I may actually be dumb - I just can't imagine what job doesn't carry a risk of being fired (except maybe tenured professor)?
Shindo66@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 32d
I've been employed for a good 25 years of my life. I've either, been too valuable to fire and have had too much knowledge of where the bodies are buried, worked for myself, or worked for my parents company. I did have one normal job once a few years back, for 90 days and then it was a mutual resignation. Ive never really had a boss I've ever feared, ive always been on their "team".
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 32d
You are legitimately one of the luckiest people on the planet.
MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 32d
Right on! I get this energy as well. Never had anyone "manage" me. Make my own schedule and I project deep roots into everything I touch and improve cutting me loose would be extremely painful.
I did work somewhere where the COO wanted to can my ass. But they were constantly told I was way to valuable by the rest of the c-suite and cool it. Their problem was I wouldn't kiss their ass and called them out on dumb ideas.
I show up to do work, not play politics. Turns out being good at what you do pays off sometimes.
flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 32d
Possibly a decent country that has labour laws rather than 'fire at will' BS?
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 31d
Yeah, places with labour law make sure firing people is difficult. Bosses will bitch around but at least everyone have one less stress of not having food on the table.
laurenceOfSuburbia@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
you bet. it is. you get kicked out and have to find something very fast to pay for housing and food. fucked up