Damit besagte Personengruppen es vergessen könnten, müssten die es erstmal verstehen. Das würde Bildung erfordern und da wird dann schwierig.... Wir haben kein Geld für Bildung. Das haben die Reichen.
Or he just didn’t pay attention in class when it was taught. A lot of students treat history as irrelevant. It doesn’t help that a lot of public school history teachers are the equivalent of a dad watching World War 2 documentaries. Lots of them basically teach history so they can be a coach instead. Because public schools don’t hire independent coaches, and require all of them to teach something. So the coaches tend to fall into teaching history, because it’s easier than learning to teach calculus or chemistry.
He doesn’t look that young. I can’t imagine somehow missing the post 9/11 fallout and the war in the Middle East. The 20 year anniversary of it wasn’t as extravagant as the 10 year. But as an American it was kinda hard to ignore.
If he’s from outside the us and like just turned 18 maybe. But like how does one even miss all of the memes about it? I guess even those have died down too.
Eh, 9/11 was ~25 years ago. And if we assume that a child under the age of, say, 5 wouldn't be interested in such things and wouldn't be exposed to it much, especially if not in the US ... then someone could feasibly be up to 30 years old right now and have been too young to notice or care when 9/11 happened.
And I don't know about your age standards ... but this guy looks like he could easily be under 30.
I’m very squarely in that age bracket and it was hard to ignore 9/11 if you were at all exposed to any media. I can’t imagine anyone 25-30 managing to entirely ignore 9/11 even without teachers talking about it. Maybe someone with the absolute peak of sheltering could ignore it. But outside of that I can’t imagine anyone in the US 25-30 having no clue.
History teachers in grade school seem to be either great or terrible. Nothing in between.
I can see someone born around then or after not understanding the scope of the event. I can think of things that happened when I was born or just a kid where even knowing about it later it just seems like something in a book. You can't know what a world was like before an event if you weren't aware of it.
How he escaped ever seeing more about it online is another thing, but then again I see lots of reaction videos, many that are probably legit, of people who never heard or saw things, even if they've heard references to it. It's yet another XKCD Ten Thousand moment.
On a wide side note, I had an amazing Ancient History instructor in college. First day he told us not to bother getting the text for the class, we're not using it. He took us on an incredible ride.
When I was in schools, American history was Pilgrims, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, The Great Depression, and WWI. Then it was summer. We might have a school assembly in February to talk about MLK.
If you were to ask my teachers, American history goes revolutionary war, then nothing happens for awhile, then the civil war, then nothing happens for awhile, then WW1 had to happen so that we could have ourselves a WORLD WAR TWO! The four years that make up 9/10ths of American history. And then the Japanese signed the surrender on the deck of the USS Missouri and then stuff I-the boomer history teacher-personally remember so it legally can't be history.
It's so great that the US single handedly won the only war that ever happened in Asia. Good thing there hasn't been any major conflict on that side of the world since then.
It's kinda clear how the curriculum was designed, after all according to this class Japan was only discovered in 1939. Russia pops in an out of existence, Korea and Vietnam are fictional and Africa is where Egypt is.
Did you finish school prior to 2001? Cuz, I mean, that's everything I learned in school too at that time.
But my daughter is 13 now, and I can confirm that she has been formerly told about 9/11. I don't think with as much detail as she will learn in her during her high school tenure, but she at least knows about it.
Yep. And with each successively later era in history being more and more rushed because the history teacher was always behind schedule and the big standardized tests at the end of the year ate up a lot of time.
And then next year, in the next history class, you start over at Pilgrims again! Only difference is that now there's a little bit more detail and you're expected to write an essay about it instead of just answering some multiple choice questions.
On the drive between my house and the nearest significant town, there's a house which has a small replica of the twin towers on their front lawn. One is labeled "never" and the other "forget." They're set at an angle from the road so you see first one, then the other. The first few times I drove up here I forgot (perhaps ironically) that they were there and thus was surprised to see the twin towers with "never" written on them.
In the opposite direction is a house on the intersection of three roads. I think the owner sells snowmobiles. In his front yard is a shipping container with snowmobiles in it. Atop the container sits a life sized Trump mannequin on a snowmobile giving a thumbs up to the main road. On the container "LAW + ORDER = :)" is spraypainted. Across the yard is a shed with "WAKE UP!" spraypainted on it.
The former, fine. The latter - no matter your politics, and I'm certainly not intentionality expressing mine here - seems a bit excessive.
I quit my first real job on 9/11. I watched the buildings go down, walked into the deli I hated working at and said, "life is too short." Which for an 18 year old me was a pretty big move.
I had a job in Colorado at a small 20-30 person company, including two devout muslim immigrant men from Afghanistan. OMG, they were freaking the fuck out, thinking people were going to come drag them out of the office and murder them in the parking lot. Everybody had their back and tried to calm them down, but boy, they were so stressed out.
I only learned of this one from Behind the Bastards
Edit to add
On 3 December 1984, over 500,000 people in the vicinity of the Union Carbide India Limited pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India, were exposed to the highly toxic gas methyl isocyanate, in what is considered the world's worst industrial disaster.[3] A government affidavit in 2006 stated that the leak caused approximately 558,125 injuries, including 38,478 temporary partial injuries and 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries.[4] Estimates vary on the death toll, with the official number of immediate deaths being 2,259.[5] Others estimate that 8,000 died within two weeks of the incident occurring, and another 8,000 or more died from gas-related diseases.[6] In 1989, Union Carbide Corporation (UCC) of the United States paid $470 million (equivalent to $1.03 billion in 2024) to settle litigation stemming from the disaster.[7]
The first 3 are American, I could see a foreigner not knowing. My sister is a teacher in Europe and she says none of her students knew about the Holocaust. These are teenagers. I think maybe we might be fucked as a species.
I would like to offer some perspective to the Americans upset the world doesn't revolve around them. And share a terrorist act from my country, that I know you lot won't know about.
But most of you lot celebrate the party that did it so, maybe it won't land well.
Did ya tell him how much people went in circles trying to explain who did it but it was really territorial control and we kept switching who did it and then killed Osama bin Laden as a world distraction.
Well, I was in the third grade when 9/11 happened, and there was never any kind of formal education about it, because we had all experienced. Kids a just a few years younger than me would t remember it at all, but likely still wouldn't have learned about it in school yet. That's probably where this guy falls
But the ones in here comparing it to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Holocaust need to get some perspective. It was a pivotal moment and a serious reality check for the Americans, but it was not the Holocaust.
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SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 85 pts · 5h
He is either not a US American, or the "Never Forget" nation forgot to properly teach him.
Asetru@feddit.org · 86 pts · 5h
I live in one of those "never forget" nations that promised to never forget something... but it seems that we, too, managed to forget.
rotkehle@feddit.org · 25 pts · 5h
I feel you so much right now.
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 13 pts · 4h
I guess we are all in the same boat... Errr land.
decolo@piefed.social · 7 pts · 4h
Wow, you live in Boaterland? Do you know Jimmy on the east side?
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 4h
My parents were boat mormons, so what do you think? Of course I do know my brother Jimmy.... I hate him.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 4h
Psssssst....
Damit besagte Personengruppen es vergessen könnten, müssten die es erstmal verstehen. Das würde Bildung erfordern und da wird dann schwierig.... Wir haben kein Geld für Bildung. Das haben die Reichen.
Carl@anarchist.nexus · 46 pts · 5h
Or he just didn’t pay attention in class when it was taught. A lot of students treat history as irrelevant. It doesn’t help that a lot of public school history teachers are the equivalent of a dad watching World War 2 documentaries. Lots of them basically teach history so they can be a coach instead. Because public schools don’t hire independent coaches, and require all of them to teach something. So the coaches tend to fall into teaching history, because it’s easier than learning to teach calculus or chemistry.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 5h
see: forgot to properly teach him.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4h
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 3 pts · 3h
For that, you're gonna need a hose.
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social · 2 pts · 4h
I'd say they made the attempt, but if he didn't listen that much, the problem is them passing him, not attempting to teach him.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
that is definitely a problem of the US education system. The "no child left behind" policy is absolute garbage.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 4h
He doesn’t look that young. I can’t imagine somehow missing the post 9/11 fallout and the war in the Middle East. The 20 year anniversary of it wasn’t as extravagant as the 10 year. But as an American it was kinda hard to ignore.
If he’s from outside the us and like just turned 18 maybe. But like how does one even miss all of the memes about it? I guess even those have died down too.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 2 pts · 3h
Eh, 9/11 was ~25 years ago. And if we assume that a child under the age of, say, 5 wouldn't be interested in such things and wouldn't be exposed to it much, especially if not in the US ... then someone could feasibly be up to 30 years old right now and have been too young to notice or care when 9/11 happened.
And I don't know about your age standards ... but this guy looks like he could easily be under 30.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 3h
I’m very squarely in that age bracket and it was hard to ignore 9/11 if you were at all exposed to any media. I can’t imagine anyone 25-30 managing to entirely ignore 9/11 even without teachers talking about it. Maybe someone with the absolute peak of sheltering could ignore it. But outside of that I can’t imagine anyone in the US 25-30 having no clue.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 9 pts · 5h
History teachers in grade school seem to be either great or terrible. Nothing in between.
I can see someone born around then or after not understanding the scope of the event. I can think of things that happened when I was born or just a kid where even knowing about it later it just seems like something in a book. You can't know what a world was like before an event if you weren't aware of it.
How he escaped ever seeing more about it online is another thing, but then again I see lots of reaction videos, many that are probably legit, of people who never heard or saw things, even if they've heard references to it. It's yet another XKCD Ten Thousand moment.
On a wide side note, I had an amazing Ancient History instructor in college. First day he told us not to bother getting the text for the class, we're not using it. He took us on an incredible ride.
Klear@piefed.world · 5 pts · 5h
Fuck you, I'm not old!
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2h
Ooh can confirm: Our coach taught us that nazi germany was communist and north korea killed more people than any civilization in history.
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au · 4 pts · 2h
When I was in school all the coaches taught physical education
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 5h
When I was in schools, American history was Pilgrims, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, The Great Depression, and WWI. Then it was summer. We might have a school assembly in February to talk about MLK.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2h
If you were to ask my teachers, American history goes revolutionary war, then nothing happens for awhile, then the civil war, then nothing happens for awhile, then WW1 had to happen so that we could have ourselves a WORLD WAR TWO! The four years that make up 9/10ths of American history. And then the Japanese signed the surrender on the deck of the USS Missouri and then stuff I-the boomer history teacher-personally remember so it legally can't be history.
mineralfellow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2h
It's so great that the US single handedly won the only war that ever happened in Asia. Good thing there hasn't been any major conflict on that side of the world since then.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2h
It's kinda clear how the curriculum was designed, after all according to this class Japan was only discovered in 1939. Russia pops in an out of existence, Korea and Vietnam are fictional and Africa is where Egypt is.
SailorFuzz@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4h
Did you finish school prior to 2001? Cuz, I mean, that's everything I learned in school too at that time.
But my daughter is 13 now, and I can confirm that she has been formerly told about 9/11. I don't think with as much detail as she will learn in her during her high school tenure, but she at least knows about it.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
Oh yeah. I was in high school when 9/11 happened.
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 4 pts · 2h
My son asked me if I learned about 9/11 in school … and I was like uh yes, in a way.
(I was sitting in my psych class watching it happen live)
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 2 pts · 3h
Yep. And with each successively later era in history being more and more rushed because the history teacher was always behind schedule and the big standardized tests at the end of the year ate up a lot of time.
And then next year, in the next history class, you start over at Pilgrims again! Only difference is that now there's a little bit more detail and you're expected to write an essay about it instead of just answering some multiple choice questions.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 5h
Homeschooled...
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 5h
o no I 💀 forgor 🗿
toynbee@piefed.social · 5 pts · 4h
On the drive between my house and the nearest significant town, there's a house which has a small replica of the twin towers on their front lawn. One is labeled "never" and the other "forget." They're set at an angle from the road so you see first one, then the other. The first few times I drove up here I forgot (perhaps ironically) that they were there and thus was surprised to see the twin towers with "never" written on them.
In the opposite direction is a house on the intersection of three roads. I think the owner sells snowmobiles. In his front yard is a shipping container with snowmobiles in it. Atop the container sits a life sized Trump mannequin on a snowmobile giving a thumbs up to the main road. On the container "LAW + ORDER = :)" is spraypainted. Across the yard is a shed with "WAKE UP!" spraypainted on it.
The former, fine. The latter - no matter your politics, and I'm certainly not intentionality expressing mine here - seems a bit excessive.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 3h
But I thought they didn't like "woke" stuff?
greenbit@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 4h
Many people are just alien tourists
Seimhe@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 5h
I only know Seven Eleven. Had no idea they had competitors.
BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4h
Wait till you hear about Seven Twelve.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3h
But what about 6 7
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
Well, at least I made a lot of money on OT with that one…
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 3h
I quit my first real job on 9/11. I watched the buildings go down, walked into the deli I hated working at and said, "life is too short." Which for an 18 year old me was a pretty big move.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1h
I had a job in Colorado at a small 20-30 person company, including two devout muslim immigrant men from Afghanistan. OMG, they were freaking the fuck out, thinking people were going to come drag them out of the office and murder them in the parking lot. Everybody had their back and tried to calm them down, but boy, they were so stressed out.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 42m
I mean, if they were in Texas they probably have a reason to worry
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 4h
Should we double check, and make sure he knows what Pearl Harbor was? And Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? And the Holocaust?
What? It's not unreasonable to say he may have missed some key moments in history.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 2h
Bhopal disaster
I only learned of this one from Behind the Bastards
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Jax@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1h
Since I've come back from India I've sort of just been waiting to hear about an environmental disaster there. This makes sense.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 25m
Wdym
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 3h
To be fair 9/11 is probably going to be forgotten about way sooner
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 23m
It's not too relevant for a school history lesson because it didn't have too many consequences except for the Iraq war
eltacopeludo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 3h
Naninjing, dresden, tokio bombing, pol pot.... there is no shortage of atrocicites.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2h
The first 3 are American, I could see a foreigner not knowing. My sister is a teacher in Europe and she says none of her students knew about the Holocaust. These are teenagers. I think maybe we might be fucked as a species.
affeneimer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2h
Not as a species, just as workers under capitalism
Deme@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 2h
Paddzr@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46m
So thing about history, too recent history isn't taught. Because the system is made around your parents teaching you what they went through.
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 5h
Never forget 1973/9/11!
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2h
Poor Chile! They didnt deserve that one. Cant say the same about to the U.S though.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1h
I would like to offer some perspective to the Americans upset the world doesn't revolve around them. And share a terrorist act from my country, that I know you lot won't know about.
But most of you lot celebrate the party that did it so, maybe it won't land well.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 40m
I think this is a fair way to look at it. I don’t watch the news much so I don’t know what goes on in other countries either
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4h
Did ya tell him how much people went in circles trying to explain who did it but it was really territorial control and we kept switching who did it and then killed Osama bin Laden as a world distraction.
MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 4h
Well, I was in the third grade when 9/11 happened, and there was never any kind of formal education about it, because we had all experienced. Kids a just a few years younger than me would t remember it at all, but likely still wouldn't have learned about it in school yet. That's probably where this guy falls
FluidBeef@quokk.au · 5 pts · 16m
“Why’s it called 9/11 if it happened in September though?”
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 4h
The equivalent would be someone in 2001 not knowing something that happened in 1976.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 11 pts · 3h
We landed on the moon!
mastertigurius@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
Don't make me feel older
scytale@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 3h
Is that a hotel front desk?
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1h
If you want to tell our response to it through comedy, I suggest the Seanbaby article The Nation that Freaked Out http://www.seanbaby.com/news/terrorism.htm
Beeen132@feddit.org · 1 pts · 5h
What happened?
mrmisses@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 4h
✈️🏢💥
✈️🏢💥
mastertigurius@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 3h
Well, to be precise:
✈️🏢💥
✈️🏢💥
✈️🏢🎖️💥
✈️🚜💥
But the ones in here comparing it to Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Holocaust need to get some perspective. It was a pivotal moment and a serious reality check for the Americans, but it was not the Holocaust.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 3h
Some American heros crashed a plane
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3h
Literally yes (in the sense that they were the proximal cause of the crash, not the ones flying).
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 3h
Are we sure even happened?
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2h
Can jet fuel melt steel? 🤔^/s^