Yes & no. I'm assuming you bring this up because you're aware of the experiments that proved crows can recognized faces and socially hold grudges for multiple generations.
In order to train them we'd have to give them something recognizable like a face, or a specific uniform, or maybe a red 4 lettered hat, or swat/police uniforms
The challenging part is antagonizing crows geolocal to your target in a way that your target doesn't become aware of and adapt to. As we've determined crows are easily fooled by disguises.
I like the guy who blew a whistle and fed the pidgeons on the football field for an entire offseason. Genius.
I would start with placing the reward in the hole with no lens. Then move to sugar glaas, then glass of varying thickness with the treat behind and they'll get it
Doesn't need to be. If they know your home address they can just watch you from the moment you leave the front door. Most surveillance tools in active use cannot identify people. Investigators cross reference other information to verify identity.
Like flock cameras. Which read vehicle license plates and who knows what else they will program it to track.
You would need full coverage for that to work on its own, because as soon as you leave its range there's ambiguity again about who the person being sensed is. Just disabling the camera probably would help in places where they aren't dense enough for that.
You're kind of combining 2 different things. Wifi sensing can be done with any wifi radio, not just the ones in flock cameras. Lack of coverage isn't really an issue given the proliferation of wifi networks.
I mentioned flock license plate readers to illustrate an exterior tool that can be cross referenced to verify an ambiguous identity; in line with them using your residence as a reference point. Other options include payment card usage, cell phone tower connections, or good ole visual ID (from a person).
I had a guy come out and install the fiber, learned that I could not run my own hardware, and discovered why (see above). Then canceled the service all in the same day. Fuck those assholes.
47 Comments
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 49 pts · 36d
Gotta teach em to scratch and peck the lens. Or somehow teach them to shit on the lens and chew the solar panel wire.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 18 pts · 36d
Put a button where the lenses are that dispenses a food pellet or something.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 36d
A small glass lens on a pivot that opens up to have food on the inside.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
Drops food one the ground when the lens it hit hard enough. When they break real ones, throw some food on the ground so they don't stop.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 35d
Or, get your neighbors to also put out the flock replica bird feeders.
If you can get enough of them out there, then the birds will think every camera is a bird feeder. Even the ones you don't know about.
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 7 pts · 36d
Can their beak actually damage the lens tho
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 36d
If you convince a crow there is a once in a hundred payoff inside you bet they can.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 36d
If you teach them to use a rock...
4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 36d
Doesn’t really matter if they spend all their time on it
Liz@midwest.social · 1 pts · 35d
They won't, they're not that dumb.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 35d
In fact, they're pretty damn smart for a bird.
ArmchairAce1944@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 36d
Exactly what in was thinking. Crows and ravens are super smart.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 36d
Can we teach them.to peck and scratch people who install them?
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 35d
Yes & no. I'm assuming you bring this up because you're aware of the experiments that proved crows can recognized faces and socially hold grudges for multiple generations.
In order to train them we'd have to give them something recognizable like a face, or a specific uniform, or maybe a red 4 lettered hat, or swat/police uniforms
The challenging part is antagonizing crows geolocal to your target in a way that your target doesn't become aware of and adapt to. As we've determined crows are easily fooled by disguises.
I like the guy who blew a whistle and fed the pidgeons on the football field for an entire offseason. Genius.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 36d
What a great accidentally created idea! I would put peanutbutter on the lens and French fries for the wires.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
Spraycan, done.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 35d
I feel like even just spraying animal-grease on it would attract enough wildlife that even if they didn't disable it they'd obstruct the view
Seasm0ke@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 35d
I would start with placing the reward in the hole with no lens. Then move to sugar glaas, then glass of varying thickness with the treat behind and they'll get it
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 35d
This guy murders
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 36d
They don't need the visual camera to spy on you tho, they would still know where you are.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 36d
Yup. Even if you're "digitally naked" Wifi can be used as radar to detect people in real time.
Digital privacy has been a constant game of whack-a-mole for going on 50 years now with no end in sight.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 36d
Nothing a snazzy pair of faraday parachute pants can't solve!
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 35d
"I wonder what this pants shaped void on the radar is"
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 35d
If they're baggy enough they might be indistinguishable from a dress, then just wear a faraday cloak over it and you have yourself an amorphous void!
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 6 pts · 36d
Unless you're smart enough to leave your phone at home.
db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 36d
And your BT headphones, smart watch, airtags, pervert glasses, etc.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 36d
Wifi can be used as radar to detect people in real time.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 7 pts · 36d
You can detect a person with it, but it's not sensitive enough to identify the person.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 36d
Doesn't need to be. If they know your home address they can just watch you from the moment you leave the front door. Most surveillance tools in active use cannot identify people. Investigators cross reference other information to verify identity.
Like flock cameras. Which read vehicle license plates and who knows what else they will program it to track.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 36d
You would need full coverage for that to work on its own, because as soon as you leave its range there's ambiguity again about who the person being sensed is. Just disabling the camera probably would help in places where they aren't dense enough for that.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 35d
You're kind of combining 2 different things. Wifi sensing can be done with any wifi radio, not just the ones in flock cameras. Lack of coverage isn't really an issue given the proliferation of wifi networks.
I mentioned flock license plate readers to illustrate an exterior tool that can be cross referenced to verify an ambiguous identity; in line with them using your residence as a reference point. Other options include payment card usage, cell phone tower connections, or good ole visual ID (from a person).
Zorque@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
yet
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 36d
It only needs to be able to track legs for gait analysis
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 36d
Great now we need pebbles in our shoes at home to?!
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
Not only can it, Xfinity is currently doing it with their required wifi router:
https://www.xfinity.com/hub/smart-home/wifi-motion
I had a guy come out and install the fiber, learned that I could not run my own hardware, and discovered why (see above). Then canceled the service all in the same day. Fuck those assholes.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 3 pts · 36d
If I had any of those things, I'd also leave them at home.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
THEN WHAT WOULD I DO OUTSIDE
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 2 pts · 36d
Subversive things.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 25d
I hear that tho.
ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 9 pts · 36d
I like this persona style
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 36d
What must the twisted minds be like of those who don't work in perspective with ortho faces...
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 36d
This is a very cool idea but given the apathy of Flock and their supporters, I worry for the health of the birds.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 36d
24v 1.5a won't hurt them and if it did crows would probably catch on pretty quick.
Like I 100% would not put it past them to figure out which ones are feeders and only go for those.
scrion@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
Hm, 50 amps. Spicy.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 36d
Ya it's actually 1.5a
I accidently quoted the watts not the amps. but even then i should have wrote 30
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
I'm worried Flock would take draconian steps and add spikes or poison to deter the birds.