catholic church(not the right wing followers) isnt as anti-science like protestant or evangelicals, they tend to have alot of scientists i believe too same cannot be said with fundamentalist christianity.
surprising amount of astronomy or astrophysics have catholic or jesuit people in there. never heard of a evangelical one.
Catholicism learned it's lesson after Gallileo. They gotta make sure they're right before they go accusing folks of heresy, now. That means scientists on the payroll.
Specifically being more narrow-minded in supposedly-catholic religious matters than the catholic church, that's really the kicker here. They push these exemptions through because "But muh reeligonz!!!" and then the actual religion used as a shield goes "Nope. Are you this stupid, you stupid fucks?!". 😂
Ironically the Catholic Church is one religion that tends to agree with science. They're all-in on evolution, the big bang, vaccines, etc. But it's one thing to preach it and another to stand by it, in Florida of all places. I admit some surprise myself at that point.
There is no evidence that Stephen Hawking participated in any child abuse.
Yes—Stephen Hawking visited Jeffrey Epstein’s island in 2006 and was photographed there [2] [3], but there is no substantiated, court-filed evidence in the released documents proving he participated in an underage sexual orgy or committed sexual crimes; references to such a claim appear as an allegation Epstein sought to rebut in a 2015 email, not as proof or a charge against Hawking [7] [4] [8].
If he did participate, it was despite his scientific inclinations, not because of them. We have endless evidence that sexually abusing children causes short- and long-term harm. A study by Rind et al tried to claim that the harm caused by childhood sexual abuse is overstated, but the study was ripped apart by other scientists. It is not considered to be scientifically valid because it failed empirical verification.
If Hawking abused children, he had no one to blame but himself. Conversely, when religious people do it, they may claim that satan tempted them to sin, or that god is actually fine with child abuse (which is supported by multiple bible verses). The bible also fails empirical verification, obviously, but religious people are more interested in claims that comfort them regardless of veracity. Hawking did not believe in divine forgiveness or an afterlife. Religious abusers may think that prayer and repentance is sufficient to put them back on track to go to heaven, regardless of how much the victim was harmed or whether the offender harms more victims in the future.
Many catholic abusers are actively, intentionally protected instead of reported:
Dioceses across the United States and beyond faced accusations of mishandling cases of abuse, often prioritizing institutional reputation over victim safety. Instead of reporting allegations to law enforcement, some bishops reassigned accused priests to new parishes, where they sometimes continued to abuse. These transfers were often undocumented or vaguely recorded to avoid scrutiny.
Can self-professed scientists do wrong? Yes. But I would argue they are not applying science in those instances, and we can determine the difference by examining empirical evidence.
Uthmeier, himself a Catholic, wrote to the bishops in an open letter that, based on his own understanding of Catholicism, he saw “no legitimate religious reason to refuse granting religious exemptions.”
17 Comments
20cello@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 1d
Imagine living in a community being more narrow minded than the catholic church...
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 33 pts · 1d
catholic church(not the right wing followers) isnt as anti-science like protestant or evangelicals, they tend to have alot of scientists i believe too same cannot be said with fundamentalist christianity.
surprising amount of astronomy or astrophysics have catholic or jesuit people in there. never heard of a evangelical one.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
Catholicism learned it's lesson after Gallileo. They gotta make sure they're right before they go accusing folks of heresy, now. That means scientists on the payroll.
village604@adultswim.fan · 5 pts · 1d
A priest played a huge role in the big bang theory's advancement, for instance.
lemmyng@piefed.ca · 16 pts · 1d
Don't forget that U.S. colonies were founded by people who left Europe because they thought everyone else was too open minded.
village604@adultswim.fan · 7 pts · 1d
They were being persecuted for their religion, but that's because everyone was sick of their bullshit.
Carighan@piefed.world · 12 pts · 1d
Specifically being more narrow-minded in supposedly-catholic religious matters than the catholic church, that's really the kicker here. They push these exemptions through because "But muh reeligonz!!!" and then the actual religion used as a shield goes "Nope. Are you this stupid, you stupid fucks?!". 😂
fake_meows@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 23h
You just described every HOA in America.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1d
Never expected something this good from the Catholic church
KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz · 42 pts · 1d
Ironically the Catholic Church is one religion that tends to agree with science. They're all-in on evolution, the big bang, vaccines, etc. But it's one thing to preach it and another to stand by it, in Florida of all places. I admit some surprise myself at that point.
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 1d
Maybe they learned their lesson after putting Galileo on trial. But they still believe in a magic man in the sky and they rape kids.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Stephen Hawking went to Epstein's island so I don't think scientific acuity has any bearing on child rape tendencies.
SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 1d
Several things to note here.
There is no evidence that Stephen Hawking participated in any child abuse.
https://factually.co/fact-checks/science/did-stephen-hawking-visit-jeffrey-epstein-island-e24a6e
If he did participate, it was despite his scientific inclinations, not because of them. We have endless evidence that sexually abusing children causes short- and long-term harm. A study by Rind et al tried to claim that the harm caused by childhood sexual abuse is overstated, but the study was ripped apart by other scientists. It is not considered to be scientifically valid because it failed empirical verification.
If Hawking abused children, he had no one to blame but himself. Conversely, when religious people do it, they may claim that satan tempted them to sin, or that god is actually fine with child abuse (which is supported by multiple bible verses). The bible also fails empirical verification, obviously, but religious people are more interested in claims that comfort them regardless of veracity. Hawking did not believe in divine forgiveness or an afterlife. Religious abusers may think that prayer and repentance is sufficient to put them back on track to go to heaven, regardless of how much the victim was harmed or whether the offender harms more victims in the future.
Many catholic abusers are actively, intentionally protected instead of reported:
https://www.catholicshare.com/what-are-the-little-known-diocese-cover-ups-involving-local-cases-of-transfers-and-hush-deals-and-how-did-reporters-uncover-them/
Can self-professed scientists do wrong? Yes. But I would argue they are not applying science in those instances, and we can determine the difference by examining empirical evidence.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1d
I was also astonished when I found out that the Catholic Church supports evolution.
Carighan@piefed.world · 1 pts · 1d
moondoggie@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
Aww shit. SLAP DOWN!!
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
We support religious freedom, now do your religion like we say!!!