It had Windows installed and it was taking up 3 partitions or something so i destroyed its recovery drive and i probably need to start fresh with just Linux
Is there a way to just reset and do everything over like by repartitioning and installing something like Fedora or Ubuntu? I tried to jnstall PopOS and i think i settled on the ZorinOS or something but I can't get Ethernet or my VPN working and I want to be able to download "app" "installers" like you do with PC or MacOS.
Baby steps
Edit: fucked up the pc is way harsh. ZorinOS is technically stable-y-ish installed, its just Windows is gone but maybe thats the opposite of fucked đ¤
Edit: so i checked and its ZorinOS. What do y'all think of Zorin, should I still migrate to something more ubiquitous and longer-running?
62 Comments
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 3d
Choose a distro, follow their installation guide.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 3d
This. It's really that easy, if you take it slow. Maybe grab a beer/soda/coffee on the way in
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 3d
Each unto their own, but I would never mix those 3 together...
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Fuck, now I need to try them together and see what you mean. Wish me luck.
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
desktop environments can be configured to appear differently, ie: taskbars (panels) can be moved to the top, bottom, side etc, but if you want an apple feel, gnome is probably your best bet.
as an example, the ubuntu default desktop environment is gnome
but you can also get:
kubuntu which uses kde plasma desktop environment
xubuntu which uses the Xfce desktop environment
lubuntu which used LXQt desktop environment
ubuntu budgie
ubuntu cinnamon
ubuntu mate
etc
The majority of distros will allow you to download an installer for a few different desktop environment versions. Some other distros let you choose the desktop environment during the installation process.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
I'm the idiot drinking from 4 cups in the zoom call. I've seriously had tea, fruit punch kool-aid, and a hazy IPA (p49 trash panda) on the desk at the same time.
I don't mix them until they hit the stomach, but you know they're gonna co-mingle when they get there, like seniors and freshmen and engineers drinking at the same college bar.
libewa@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
Beer and soda (lemonade) are the ingredients to a drink called Radler. But you shouldn't use what Americans call soda.
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Beer and lemonade = a 'shandy' here
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Here that's just a disgusting Corona, everyone puts lemon or some lemonade on those đ¤Ž
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
Corona has its place, man. I've had some excellent beachy days with corona on-hand. In the right environment that (or just a Modelo) is excellent.
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 3d
Donât forget to account for Nvidia.
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3d
My old pc (now used mainly for watching movies etc) has a nvidia card in it, the only distro I ever had issues with was debian, which is unlikely to be recommended, especially now. People really do have a bad habit of recommending non-awesome distros to newbies though, as op's list of options shows.
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 3d
I am a Debian man, and I will hear no words about it being non-awesome.
They really need to fix the Nvidia compatibility thoughâŚđ¤
But itâs just soâŚclean in there. An empty canvas on which I can paint. So empty, in fact, that it doesnât have Nvidia drivers. Just as Murdock intended!
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 3d
This is why I love Arch. It comes with nothing installed and everything available!
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 3d
I had debian installed as a back up distro on 2 computers due to it not be corrupted like fedora, and ubuntu. It installed easily on the amd system, as expected. I ended up using a script to instal it on the intel (with integrated graphics) and nvidia system. It just didn't want to play nice.
Then debian decided to hold a vote with 20 different options... all of them including debian going ai
Now debian has gone bye-bye
You enjoy your awesome though :P
luthis@lemmy.nz · 15 pts · 3d
Use mint. Every Linux first timer should just use mint. It's easy AF and it works
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 3d
unless your cpu etc is new, then mint is the worst advice you will ever receive (been there)
GargleBlaster@feddit.org · 1 pts · 2d
Why?
On my desktop I use cachyOS but my laptop (2021 dell xps, I think 8th gen Intel) is running mint
Edit: I've misread your post. I thought you said that mint was horrible on newer CPUs and was confused
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Mint can be horrible on newer systems, because mint is backwards.
My 1st ever install of linux was on a mini pc with an amd 5700U apu. It was a disaster with massive, very dramatic visual and audio issues.
I went on to distrohop approx 30 other distros, not a single one of them replicated the mint issues.
lewiks@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
2021 8th gen intel isn't "new cpu" by any standards Mint and most Debian flavors are horribly out of date
cheese_greater@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Its super old but isnt Mint more windows flavored? Kinda want more Mac flavored or Linux flavored
eremophila@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d
The DE (desktop environment) is what you interact with.
2 of the most popular: gnome = apple kde plasma = windows
There are other desktop environments as well.
BartyDeCanter@piefed.social · 13 pts · 3d
In short, yes, Fedora, Ubuntu, or whatever will be able to install on your laptop just fine. Since you seem relatively new, I would suggest Mint as it is aimed at new users.
App installers, the way you are accustomed to from Windows, aren't really a thing in Linux. Most applications are installed by your distro's package manager. For those that aren't, there is often a choice of either downloading a package for your distro ( debs in the case of Debian-derived distros like Ubuntu and Mint, rpms for Fedora and friends ) or using something like Flatpack. But really your package manager will handle most things you are looking for.
NathanDerWeise@feddit.org · 11 pts · 3d
Whichever distro you decide on (the current top comment is correct in implying that it really doesn't matter), just look up how its program manager works. It's usually not hard to use, but it does vary from distro to distro.
Unlike Windows, you usually want to install Linux programs from the distro's "app store" instead of downloading each program from its website. However, what's called "app image files" do exist. I want to emphasize, though, that these should be your last resort.
slazer2au@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
You shouldn't use installers like you do on windows.
You either rely on the disteo repo to have an up to date version, you rely on a community repo to not get compromised again, or you hope the application devs have a repo you can add to your package manager.
droopy4096@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 3d
well, then there are Flatpaks, which are fairly easy to install, cross-distro etc. But essentially above is correct installing "random sh#t" on Linux is possible but WHY would you want to bring really bad security practices into environment where it a lot easier to implement good security?
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 3d
Another comment: fedora is a good distro. Mint is also good. Both are pretty straightforward, will do what you want, and are easy to work with. They are recommended a lot for good reason.
There are three main types of software.
When looking for software, I think most people install them in that order. (Some distros are immutable and therefore 2) is often the first choice but thatâs getting ahead of ourselves a bit)
Hope this helps.
throwaway403@programming.dev · 8 pts · 2d
What are the specs?
You mean wipe everything on your HDD/SSD and install something that can make use of all of its storage capacity? That's basically included on every distro installer.
That's definitely not expected behaviour.
What do you mean? Is it either one of the following? (Perhaps both are fine with ya?)
Zorin OS should be fine~ish. The problem with asking the community is that they're often more interested in laying out their favorites rather than what would be closest to the objectively best option đ . If, however, your problems with ethernet persist on Zorin OS while another distro's live ISO doesn't have that problem, then I suppose it would only make sense to switch.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 2d
There are a lot of nice people here trying to help this guy out. Nice! I lurk with great interest as this autumn changing my old laptop from win 10 to unix is my project.
Chaser@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 3d
If you want to compleetly start over you can write a new partition table. I usually boot a gparted live disk and prepare my partitions there.
https://gparted.org/livecd.php
For old PCs I can recommend Linux Mint. It's easy to use and low on ressources.
https://www.linuxmint.com/download.php
AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
I'm not a Linux expert, but I've had good luck making bootable Linux USB drives and testing whatever I want on those before making the actual install. It's a fun way to switch flavors too.
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 3d
I ran Puppy Linux off of a flash drive on my main rig for about a year years ago before I got around to replacing the hard drive that failed...
Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution!
GarboDog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Ok ok weâre still relatively newish to Linux deep lore, what the hecc is puppy Linux?!
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 2d
https://puppylinux-woof-ce.github.io/
Super small Linux distro made to run off a bootable flash drive. Typical size of the OS is under 2gb, so just about any flash drive you find these days is big enough to use.
Works great to get an old computer up and going again, quick and easy to setup since you don't have to install anything on the computer. Perfect for light Internet usage, office/school work, etc. I wouldn't try to run AAA games through it, but I used to play The Binding of Isaac and it handled it fine.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 2d
Uh, at least tell us what kind of computer it is, or what the spec is like.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 2d
If you're having issues with your ethernet, chances are your ethernet chip is Realtek or Broadcom. They will both work on any Linux distros, however, for most distros you'll probably have to find alternative drivers or even kernels. If you share the controller model here, maybe some of us can help you figure our the beat path forward.
You can try:
That should bring up the information on the PCI Ethernet controller.
mko@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 2d
Replying after your two edits. A couple of things
Installation of apps works differently on Windows. Generally on Linux you install via the software tool that is included with your distro. Check out which one is used on the distro you choose. Sort of like the app stores on Windows or Mac but first-class citizens and without the bloat. There are exceptions to this rule (AppImages or packages not included in any distroâs repositories), but just in general use the default as far as you can. Your apps will automatically be kept up to date by the OS so there are tangible benefits.
End of the day - Linux is neither Windows or Mac. There is a learning curve, but itâs more of one getting to understand the workflows than anything being intrinsically more difficult nowadays.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3d
What device is it? Itâs unusual for Ethernet to not work .
cheese_greater@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Pc tower
KssioAug@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 3d
It might sound stupid, but turn off your PC, switch off the power supply, remove the power cable, wait for about 30-40 seconds, then plug the cable back, switch it on and power on your desktop.
It might be an issue caused by Windows fast startup. Even though you completely removed Windows, the power state might still be 'hanging' around and causing issues.
Telorand@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 3d
I would add "press the power button for 10 sec with everything unplugged." That should clear any remaining power storing problematic settings. That's about as fresh as you can get!
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 3d
Yeah, but that's like saying "blue. The kind of car I drive is blue."
If you can get logged-in and issue an
lspciit'll help a lot.Just take a pic of the output with your phone if you're on the console. We'll cope.
Jackinopolis@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 3d
Sounds like secureboot shinanigans. Windows just needs to be on its own total drive.
I'd just use Kubuntu. Had to fix CachyOS twice this year.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
either do linux mint or ironically arch (as a starting off point!)
linux mint is a simple to follow gui from a liveusb.
arch is trickier, but I actually find archinstall is really straightforward and fast. once you unfuck the computer, you can take your time to choose something more apt.
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 3d
The answer to starting fresh is to format the entire drive and reparation the whole thing. All operating system installers ship with tools to do that. Some are easier to use than others, but they are all there. Youâre looking for âcustom install or custom partitioning or manual partitioningâ or something like that. Usually during the âwhere do you want to installâ questions.
Itâs not hard to do, but itâs often hidden a little bit because formatting and/or repartitioning the wrong drive nukes the drive.
In your case, just go to town. Know how big your drive is, delete all existing partitions, and the new ones you create should total up to the size of the drive. Just make sure youâre doing it to the right drive if you have more than one :)
With Linux, you can get fancy making separate partitions for home and stuff, but you donât really need to worry about that if you donât want to. You can just nuke the drive, and then tell the os to âuse the whole driveâ and just let it do its thing.
If you want to understand it deeper and better, Iâd suggest watching some videos for your distro.
Have fun!
TrollAccount69@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 3d
I have installed Linux on many things. Post the output of your âlspciâ and the output of your âip addressâ
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
For an older system I've been very pleased with the performance of Bodhi Linux. And the UI is very customizable.
muhyb@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3d
Now that's a name I haven't heard for years. Hope they're doing fine.
CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2d
I am the furthest thing from a Linux expert, but I installed Zorin on my T450 Lenovo and it's working fine.
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 3d
It's also one step forward and two steps back sometimes like you've just discovered. Lol
But if you keep at it -- like you are now --you'll be sprinting wo realizing that you are and you'll be confused as to why it's hard for most people to understand how or why or even that it exists.
Everyone else already hit on the advice I came to write on your post so this was the only thing left I had to share. đ
cheese_greater@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Thats why I asked here before I entertain proceeding ;) All part of the plan, babe
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3d
I started doing the same thing but then Lemmy told me to give up on my dreams. Lol
GustavoM@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
Your best bet is to rely on a minimal/baremetal install and set up the things yourself -- which is as easy as "sudo apt install thingsyouneed" and "cp -r /backup/directory/* ~/.".
ohshit604@lemmy.halstead.host · 1 pts · 3d
Truthfully, documentation is your friend, read it and interpret it as best as you can.
Linux systems use Repositories to install âpackagesâ, these packages are pieces of software that are either small or relatively large, for example the Linux kernel itself is a pre-installed package on every Linux distro.
Packages can sometimes depend on other packages to function properly, this is what we call âdependenciesâ, if youâre missing a dependency that a package requires it will likely fail to execute.
Lately weâve been seeing packages like Flatpak and Snap enter the Linux ecosystem, their goal is to make Linux easy for newcomers such as yourself where you donât have to worry about dependencies and you just click the âinstallâ button for a package and be done with it however, in the background Flatpaks and Snaps put that package in a âvirtualized containerâ with the already required dependencies installed, which works great for newcomers but most Linux veterans will prefer native packages as theyâre easier to troubleshoot and requires less overhead (resources) from the computer.
Circling back, it is important to note the top 3 distributions available. Debian, Fedora and Arch the majority of distros out there base themselves off of one of these 3, Ubuntu is based off of Debian, SteamOS is based off of Arch and Nobara is based of off Fedora, you get the idea, personally Iâm a Debian user and suggest it only if you want the ârawâ Linux experience otherwise I would suggest Linux Mint and or Kubuntu for beginners whoâre just learning.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 3d
âLinux is so easy just install itâ
Linux is not easy. macOS is easy. Windows is easy. Linux is a jalopy that you enjoy fixing an occasionally get working.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 3d
I have had so much more trouble with Windows than Linux.
sunnyjim@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 2d
Back when I was first trying Linux out on my parent's PC a decade ago, I'd have agreed.
But these days it's legitimately easy. I've got Mint XFCE on an ancient Toshiba from 2014, Nobara on my gaming system and Fedora on my main laptop, and all of them just work. I installed Linux and the only maintenance is updates, no fresh installs or anything, and they're all still working years later.
I recently updated to Windows 11 on my Mum's PC and it took me an hour and a half. She also frequently messages me to ask for support. I wish I could convince her to move to Linux too...
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2d
Yet here OP isâŚ
KssioAug@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 2d
OP issue with Ethernet might actually be related to Windows fast startup.
And other than that, the issue OP is facing is pretty much not knowing what to choose in a plethora of options. Installing most modern distros nowadays is pretty damn easy, specially if you're not trying to dual boot with Windows (which is also a Windows problem, not Linux).
And installing a Linux Distro does not require you to hack your way to bypass shit like TMP2 / CPU cutoff or an account creation, which are unnecessarily imposed by MS.
kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 2d
Funny you say that.I install both from time to time. And find windows mutch more a hassel to install.
When you want a local account install with windows you first have to prep the whole ISO inject a unattended.XML file before install. Sometimes that's not enough and windows will force choose the edition requiring even more work on the ISO preparation. Linux you boot and click true to non invasive menu and it just installs.
Yes their are ways to open cmd and get a local account that way, but not all work anymore and Microsoft is slowly shutting that door.
sumsinj@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
You are just able to say that because you spend 100+$ on the pre-installed OS. You could also spend the same amount for an IT person to install you linux and then have a very stable time anyways. Linux doesn't force you to update, if something breaks you don't need to interact with it. On many distros there are system backups preconfigured, if something breaks you can roll back pretty easily. There is a trade-off, ease of use and ease of fix. Linux is way easier to use, thanks to no bloat and package manager, but slightly harder to fix when a problem occurs, because you have to interact with the system. And to be honest, the system isn't as scary. Documentation is often enough, but if you are lazy and want the fix currated there is AI to help you.
cheese_greater@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
I get it but sometimes you gotta make the medicine a bit sweet so the concentrated fly vinegar oil goes down at all