Is "American posing as a Canadian" a real thing?

I know that apparently, some American travelers put Canadian flags on their luggage or carry on then claiming they're from Canada (the dead giveaway on debunking this is their passport, since how can you be "Canadian" when you have US citizenship unless you're a dual citizen in possession of both nationalities) since some of them have hatred towards the US or feel ashamed of the country due to its internal affairs.

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FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website · 56 pts · 1d (3 replies)

I remember meeting some masquerading Americans during the Iraq war. These were backpackers in SE Asia.

You only show your passport at the border or maybe when you get a car or a hotel room. That leaves a lot of time to pretend being Canadian everywhere else.

That being said, I just saw a comedy bit where this was recommended to Americans. I think it's more meme than happening IRL today.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 1d (2 replies)

american dad did an episode, where they pretended to be canadians just to fit in internaitonally.

schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 1d (1 reply)

There was also a Simpsons scene (from the George W. Bush administration) where Lisa did that.

wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d

Immediately followed by Homer making a scene about being an American

blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 37 pts · 1d (1 reply)

I've had Americans here in Spain ask me to speak English as they don't speak Spanish.

I was speaking to them in English. I am English

Just cements the proof they often respond without thinking

Fondots@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d

Just kind of flipping that script a little, I work in 911 dispatch, and we get a lot of calls from Spanish speakers.

Sometimes we're lucky enough to have a Spanish speaking dispatcher on duty, so if they're not on another call, I can transfer them over, and almost without fail the conversation goes like this

Me (English): 911, where is your emergency?

Caller (broken English): uh... Speak Spanish?

Me (broken Spanglish): ok, let me get you a Spanish speaker, un momento Transfers caller

Spanish Dispatcher (in Spanish): 911 where is your emergency?

Caller: Ok

Spanish Dispatcher: repeats in Spanish

Caller: uh... Speak Spanish?

Spanish Dispatcher (in Spanish): Yes sir (or ma'am,) I'm speaking to you in Spanish, where is your emergency?

Caller: oh! continues in Spanish

susieq0044@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 1d (13 replies)

Very few US Americans seem to visit Europe these days. Even at the big tourist attractions you don’t hear or see them much. Some Canadian flags are visible - my personal conclusion is that US Americans are (finally) trying to blend in more: dressing better, keeping their voices down. Their usual loud bravado is gone. To distinguish between a Canadian and US American doesn’t require asking for their passports: just ask a question in French, most Canadians will understand at least a bit of French.

Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1d (10 replies)

Most Canadians would probably perk up at "Comment ça va?" pretty quickly, even if they didn't respond in French

Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 12 pts · 1d (6 replies)

"Ça va bien, et voooooouuuuuussssss"

You can't go around triggering automatic responses like that lol

sik0fewl@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 1d

Comme ci, comme ça.

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1d (4 replies)

Je "tu, toi" frequemment. Lol

Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 5 pts · 1d (3 replies)

You used toi with your French teacher???? Ostie les enfants sont vraiment sauvage!

I guess a lot of people were, lol: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/vous-or-tu-quebec-launches-new-civility-policy-in-schools/

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d (2 replies)

No, not in school. But now, I do, tout le monde me dit d'etre moin serieux.

Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Oh, okay. The automatic response I was referring to was the start of every French class from grades 1-8, the class answering in unison.

"Bonjour les enfants!"

"Bonjour Mme. X"

"Comment ça va?"

"Ça va bien, et vous?"

"Oui, ça va bien aussi!"

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1d

Oh for sure we had that all the time in school

Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1d

I'd perk up at hearing French but i would have no clue what thetbarr saying. I hear it so seldom here. I grew up in BC and took it for 5+ years. I could read a news paper then but 40 years layer and all I remember are a few swear words. Also the Quebec accent is so different from what I was taught in the 80s. Totally different language.

I live in Ontario, 3 hours from the Quebec border

susieq0044@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d (1 reply)

That’s a tricky one, as US Americans may also answer, eg “I ain’t from Santa Fe, I’m from this here Ketchum, Idaho, our steaks are the biggest in the WOLRD, OMG”. 😝

architect@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 1d

We take French in school. Like half of us do.

SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 13h

Easiest way to spot an American posing as a Canadian is to just ask what part of Canada they're from. The only Canadian city Americans know is Toronto, so that's what they'll say. If they pronounce it ToronTO, they're American. Nobody in Canada pronounces the second T in Toronto.

dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 12h

Who knew my social anxiety and overly polite nature helped me masquerade so well when traveling internationally?!?!

Medic8eme@piefed.ca · 23 pts · 1d

Traveled Europe in the 90's with a backpack. It was pretty common then. I met loads of Americans claiming to be Canadian. As a travelled Canadian myself it was fairly obvious to me but some insisted it was worthwhile. It certainly fell off over the years I traveled however.

HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 1d

Yeah I met an american in austria who told me he'd use the canadian excuse quite often, just to be sure.

rbos@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 1d

Canadians don't wear Canadian flags, it's almost always an American.

Used to be you could spot us by MEC or Roots gear, but they're both enshittified now.

hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 17 pts · 1d (3 replies)

I'm embarrassed to be an Australian and always say I am from New Zealand when travelling.

soyslurper2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Is this a bit or are you serious (and why)?

Cypher@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 14h

They’re probably travelling to cheap (for Australians) tourist hotspots like Bali, where Australians get a bad reputation due to the bogan crowd.

floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 23h

Why? I love meeting Australians, you're a funny bunch.

queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 1d

The idea is fairly old. I think the first time I heard it was the latter part of the Bush era? Someone told me secondhand about how having a Canadian flag on the backpack makes some airports friendlier. that's also around when I started traveling internationally for work so it could have been around even earlier than that. I never knew any Americans who actually did it. I did work with a lot of Southerners and we all had distinctively American accents, so I don't think we could have pulled it off. Maybe a Minnesotan could pass.

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 22h

This was definitely a thing back in the early 2000's, after the US went on its global rampage against brown folks. It wasn't safe to let people know you were from the US. It also had the unintended consequence of making Canadians look bad, due to the association with rude assholes putting Canadian flags all over their gear.

josephc@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 1d (1 reply)

If confronted at a bar I'd consider it for basically all the reasons you mentioned. When I send updates to my friends in France or Ireland or China I find myself apologizing for wherever embarrassing things we've done most recently.

yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 11h

An entire nation has a racist grandad at every dinner

fratermus@piefed.social · 11 pts · 1d

When I was stationed in [the former West] Germany in the 80s one of the guys in my platoon was an avid & considerate traveler. He never claimed to be Canadian but

  • he had a Canadian flag patch on his traveling pack
  • listened to the Dayglo Abortions and knew all the words to Proud to be a Canadian

He didn't want to lumped in with "Ugly American" a-holes. And he wasn't. Probably more due his considerate behavior than flag patch but who knows.

Other proof of his excellence: he took me to my first Fields of the Nephilim, Sisters of Mercy, and Nitzer Ebb shows.

ripcord@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 18h

Yes, I have several friends who did it even 20 years ago

They weren't fully trying to represent legally that they were Canadian or hate the country. But backpacking / doing hostels across Europe they generally did get treated better and didn't have to get into arguments about US policy and things. Especially once the Iraq war and stuff got into full swing

Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz · 9 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Yeah, I work with Americans in NZ, they don't get away with it here if they have a Southern, NY or Cali accent unless they are in a very rural area, but they find it necessary when going to southeast Asia

Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online · 10 pts · 1d

but they find it necessary when going to southeast Asia

I think this really is key. The US committed atrocities here within living memory.

Jerb322@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d

I've always said that I would if I traveled, but I never travel, so...

Nonprophet@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d

I'm a New Yorker. Only American on a technicality.

hedders@fedia.io · 5 pts · 1d (3 replies)

Only heard about this anecdotally, but it's plausible that it would work. People who aren't from North America often have trouble distinguishing at least some American accents (generally the more northern ones) from Canadian accents. Like, you won't get away with it if you're from Texas or Louisiana or some such, but if you talk like Dan Rather or David Sedaris you can pass for Canadian in most places that aren't Canada.

VeryVito@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d (2 replies)

Dan Rather or David Sedaris

That is quite the range.

hedders@fedia.io · 8 pts · 1d (1 reply)

I think that's kind of my point - to us Europeans, those accents sound the same.

VeryVito@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21h

Oh, point taken! I just thought you did well to show the range.

soyslurper2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d

I do the opposite and pretend to be an American with a generic accent. Even Americans can't tell.

Malica@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 22h

I'm not a liar, but I can see the appeal. Luckily, I also have an EU passport to hide behind, should I want to. Also, other Americans should know that there are many tells that will out them if they try.

loomi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h

Yes. I did it. Mainly in response to invasive questions from dodgy people. I had a fake name, a back story about where my family lived, etc.

After 9/11 and then the global war of terror, it was a prudent thing to have on dial. Never wrote clothes or put Canadian stuff on my bags.

moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com · -13 pts · 13h (1 reply)

Canadians are Americans, so idk wtf you're asking

yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 11h

Do you really not or are you just wasting time forcing people to unnecessarily type out "citizen of the United States of America" instead of the globally accepted "Americans"?

daggermoon@piefed.world · -18 pts · 1d

I'd be ashamed to be Canadian too.