Ive tried for at least 30, sadly I'm weak and feeble so they're mostly just really bewildered by my attempts and leave freaked out by my strange behavior
Idea: cars all have too much AI in them anyway, let's make good use of it. If a car detects that the driver turns or changes lanes without signaling 5 times in a row, it caps the speed to 50 km/h (or 30 in an urban area) for 5 minutes. Make this a mandatory safety feature in all new cars, like how they make noises if you don't wear a seatbelt.
Back when I had a car, it had lane-keeping assistance. It followed road lines and edges automatically, which meant it also resisted turning into any lines and edges it detected if you didn't have your signal on. Could probably keep a counter for lane changes and turns at marked intersections.
Yeah, that's AI in my book. It's almost certainly the output of machine learning using lots of sensor data, trained on mountains of older data. How is that not AI?
From what I understand, the output from programs using a machine learning algorithm continuously change as more inputs change the variable weightings of whatever model they have.
But the lane and road edge detection thresholds for my car's sensors were likely determined (i.e, they picked and set fixed averages) from lots of data and set them as static values in the program to compare against. That's just using data and statistics as usual.
There are toy cars for students of programming to write simple self-driving algorithms from sensor data to drive without colliding into walls and black or colored tape. Same idea. But I wouldn't call it "AI," which is a marketing term to begin with, not a scientific one.
Anyway, certainly no ML algorithm was running on the car's system. The driving assist was very simple and predictable, and it was manufactured in 2018.
The fact that modern cars are backseat drivers but not competent drivers is why I don't own a car anymore. Don't get me wrong, I used signals, but it's a million little nitpicks that add up. They're features for other people, not the user, that I'm only buying because I have no real choice. Heaven forbid any actual legal enforcement of those rules by people - it must be done by making products more annoying.
Cars (and humans) can either drive for me or STFU about my driving.
I know exactly what you mean. All the little alerts that remind me to keep my eyes on the road or whatever are actually more distracting than just letting me look at the road. All of these things are designed for people who suck at driving so much that they shouldn't be allowed to drive a car, anyway.
Unironically, this is the best solution. Make it more annoying to not use the signal than to use it. Shake the wheel, sound an alarm, nudge back into the lane. Make using turn signals the selfish option. Lots of cars already do this to some small extent.
I think the immediate aftermath of an unsignaled lane change is the worst time for the car to automatically cutting from presumably highway speeds of like 65-70 mph (105-113 kph) [assuming they weren’t speeding…] down to 31 mph (50 kph) if there are people driving in the new lane. Not only did someone pull out in front of you but you also have to immediately slam on the brakes to have a chance of not hitting it
In fairness, any time I drive near construction my car starts screaming about how I'm drifting out of my lane because it doesn't recognize cone supremacy - so if cars did this I know my car would constantly be like "I can't let you do that."
I use my signals, I'll pass the government mandated test. Yes, even in turn lanes, I'll ace it. (Also, you should turn in to whatever lane you're in, not "whichever one I want.")
This and pulling into an intersection you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of clearing before the light changes (Bonus points for the vehicle being an 18 wheeler and having hazardous cargo).
48 Comments
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 2d
The hero we need but don’t deserve
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 55 pts · 2d
I don't think he's gonna be using turn signals any time soon.
ArfArfWoof@europe.pub · 38 pts · 2d
Also not gonna be intentionally not using them.
becausechemistry@piefed.social · 41 pts · 1d
It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s… Disproportionate Response Man!
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-10-20
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1d
Completely proportionate. Many people die from the laziness of people who refuse to flick a switch.
Fmstrat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Study link?
einlander@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
It's Eagle Man.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Pretty sure that's just Justice Lord Superman.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 37 pts · 2d
Me_irl 🥹
You can drive however, just fucking tell me what you're doing so I can navigate safely around you 🥹
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
How many people have you ripped in half to date?
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 1d
Ive tried for at least 30, sadly I'm weak and feeble so they're mostly just really bewildered by my attempts and leave freaked out by my strange behavior
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I appreciate the dedication to it though. Keep going and you’ll eventually be able to do it!
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1d
Thank you for your service
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 1d
Whatever it takes to keep my country safe 🪖🫡🎖️ /j
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 18 pts · 2d
Idea: cars all have too much AI in them anyway, let's make good use of it. If a car detects that the driver turns or changes lanes without signaling 5 times in a row, it caps the speed to 50 km/h (or 30 in an urban area) for 5 minutes. Make this a mandatory safety feature in all new cars, like how they make noises if you don't wear a seatbelt.
bob_lemon@feddit.org · 32 pts · 2d
I'm all for punishing bad drivers, but absolutely no need for AI there.
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 2d
How do you detect these occurrences then? You can't differentiate a lane change from a curving road without analyzing the environment.
Leviathan@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2d
You think we need AI for a car to do that?
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 2d
I mean you do if you want investors pumped up while you plan your golden parachute exit
Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io · 10 pts · 2d
Back when I had a car, it had lane-keeping assistance. It followed road lines and edges automatically, which meant it also resisted turning into any lines and edges it detected if you didn't have your signal on. Could probably keep a counter for lane changes and turns at marked intersections.
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 1d
Yeah, that's AI in my book. It's almost certainly the output of machine learning using lots of sensor data, trained on mountains of older data. How is that not AI?
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 1d
machine learning is not ai
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1d
It literally is.
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 1d
its just algorithms, there is no "intelligence". same with chatgpt, gemeni, claude, etc. they're all just algorithms fed loads of data to spit out
Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1d
From what I understand, the output from programs using a machine learning algorithm continuously change as more inputs change the variable weightings of whatever model they have.
But the lane and road edge detection thresholds for my car's sensors were likely determined (i.e, they picked and set fixed averages) from lots of data and set them as static values in the program to compare against. That's just using data and statistics as usual.
There are toy cars for students of programming to write simple self-driving algorithms from sensor data to drive without colliding into walls and black or colored tape. Same idea. But I wouldn't call it "AI," which is a marketing term to begin with, not a scientific one.
Anyway, certainly no ML algorithm was running on the car's system. The driving assist was very simple and predictable, and it was manufactured in 2018.
UninterestingVoid@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1d
the amount of turning in the wheel and the time of turning. You can also use speed.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1d
The fact that modern cars are backseat drivers but not competent drivers is why I don't own a car anymore. Don't get me wrong, I used signals, but it's a million little nitpicks that add up. They're features for other people, not the user, that I'm only buying because I have no real choice. Heaven forbid any actual legal enforcement of those rules by people - it must be done by making products more annoying.
Cars (and humans) can either drive for me or STFU about my driving.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I know exactly what you mean. All the little alerts that remind me to keep my eyes on the road or whatever are actually more distracting than just letting me look at the road. All of these things are designed for people who suck at driving so much that they shouldn't be allowed to drive a car, anyway.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
What sort of features for others ate we talking about?
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
Me: [examples new feature I don't want]
Everybody: "You're selfish to not want the car-nags-you feature. It has saved countless puppies."
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 2d
Ah yes, make things even more dangerous by forcing people to drive too slow on the highway.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 2d
Lets not make it unsafe for other people.
Just add a really loud horn every time they forget their turn signal.
chisel@piefed.social · 7 pts · 1d
Unironically, this is the best solution. Make it more annoying to not use the signal than to use it. Shake the wheel, sound an alarm, nudge back into the lane. Make using turn signals the selfish option. Lots of cars already do this to some small extent.
Nautalax@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
I think the immediate aftermath of an unsignaled lane change is the worst time for the car to automatically cutting from presumably highway speeds of like 65-70 mph (105-113 kph) [assuming they weren’t speeding…] down to 31 mph (50 kph) if there are people driving in the new lane. Not only did someone pull out in front of you but you also have to immediately slam on the brakes to have a chance of not hitting it
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1d
I never said it was a good idea!
BigPotato@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
In fairness, any time I drive near construction my car starts screaming about how I'm drifting out of my lane because it doesn't recognize cone supremacy - so if cars did this I know my car would constantly be like "I can't let you do that."
I use my signals, I'll pass the government mandated test. Yes, even in turn lanes, I'll ace it. (Also, you should turn in to whatever lane you're in, not "whichever one I want.")
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2d
Going too easy on him.
CareHare@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 1d
Beamers beware!
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 5 pts · 2d
You'd probably like the movie Shoot 'Em Up.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 2d
Lmao holy crap
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 1d
Let the punishment fit the crime.
ScarlettStunningSpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
Thanks for the laugh
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
No turn signal MFers.
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
This and pulling into an intersection you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of clearing before the light changes (Bonus points for the vehicle being an 18 wheeler and having hazardous cargo).