"Humanity is a disease" is not the same statement as "humanity is capable of committing atrocities" though. The latter leaves the door open for a "but", while the former makes humanity itself a systemic problem but refuses or "forgets" to pin the blame on anyone or any system.
Such statements devolve the conversation into defeatist pseudo-nihilism, where a "true nihilist" knows that the betterment of humanity will have to come from within.
I do agree that capitalism is not the root of all evil, but it is central to the particular "planet's fucked, housing is unaffordable, and no-one cares" doomer sentiment that is depicted in the meme (at least that is how I read it).
Some one on that "we need more sensitive men like in LOTR" post one of the top comments was about how men aren't like this because capitalism. I point out the absurdity of that message and get ratio'd
Like yeah capitalism in it's current state us the cuase of a lot of problems, but the inevitable communist revolution isn't going to do much about the crushing expectations society puts on men.
People really do love to try and tie every world issue into one thing, when the fact of the matter is that things like "the patriarchy" or "capitalism" are just tools of the oppressor and not the oppressor themselves.
It doesn't matter what ideology you run a society with if the people are the top are all shortsighted, self interested ideologues.
People accosiate monarchs with oppression for a reason.
Hey sad person, my parents are super rich so I could afford to go to a fancy university that had a legit communist poli sci professor. That's where I learned how to talk to the poors. Which is what you are.
You see your problem is that you're poor because you didn't have rich parents like I did. No I'm not going to do anything to help you, I gotta get of the hair salon LOL. But now that you understand that you're unhappy because you're poor, that's going to make your life so much better! Ok, I've done my good deed for the day so I don't have to feel bad about having a trust fund. Gotta go, byeeeeee!
Everytime I think rich kids must feel bad for inequality, I remember how easy it is for them to cure their own guilt with the small platitudes of progressivism that won't at all effect the system that empowers them to our detriment.
I fear he has internalised the current dynamics of the life-struggle, and failed to appreciate the profound beauty of the dynamic near-equilibrium that permits the sorrow of life (and the joys that they imply) to ever exist in the first place
No it has nothing to do with my specific situation it has everything to do with looking at human history and realizing we've been destructive barbarous cunts the whole time.
We literally just act like we're not or ignore the obvious violence that has been constant on this planet.
And honestly it's not even just humans. Other animals are also incredibly violent and cruel. They just generally don't have the ability to know what their doing is cruel.
Like a monkey eating another animal alive because killing it takes more effort. Or a group of hyenas gnawing at the ass of an animal because it's the easiest part to chew through which results in the animal staying alive until it's about halfway eaten and dies of blood loss. Or the fact that a lot of animals can survive with mortal wounds for days just prolonging their suffering before their certain death.
Hunter gatherers hunted and gathered mega fauna to extinction too. So aggressively did we hunt before we even wrote anything down that we had to settle down and say "this land is mine, and you may not take the grain from it"
Mass Extinction Cycles have been part of this Planets normal cycle for a LOOOOONG time before humans started doing it too. Oxygen, the thing that all current life in this planet needs, caused one with its mass introduction. Literally everything that people list as reasons for hating humans show up everywhere in nature and other animals. Theres a shitload of good things we have accomplished that cant be said for nature and other animals though. The thing thats unique about humans, and why I think it means we need to eventually leave this planet and turn it into a nature reserve, is that we managed to escape Natures checks and balances, which, to be clear, is death and starvation. Being able to provide quality life for almost all humans born, regardless of health and mental conditions is amazing, but unfortunately makes us incompatible with nature, and if we removed our selves from that, NOT by killing ourselves, but instead by creating our own environments on space stations and dead planets, we can have all of the positives, without the negatives of being incompatible with Nature
How many megafauna did we hunt to extinction before we even invented language lol. Humanity is literally a disease. We exploit resources until there is nothing left to exploit. Every. Single. Time.
I encourage you to look at experiments with kids involving altruism. The research suggests much of our fucked up nature is rather learned through the environment. The more we improve our environment, the more we'll likely see that altruism shine through. Not to say psychopaths don't exist, but they are extremely rare, and research demonstrates that they can live relatively well without acting on their impulses with proper treatment, too.
I switched to lemm.ee partly to avoid the constant doomerism vibe in reddit. Unfortunate to see lots of lemmings here trying to keep the negative vibe tho.
Let's have a quick reality check: human civilization is young AF. We are cosmic toddlers. No need to throw in the towel just yet on our collective (and individual) ability to be/come more self-aware and ethical. Let the sample size grow, fam.
Even the elderly can learn. But also we’ve existed less long than any known member of our genus so yeah we aren’t cosmic toddlers, we’re Terran toddlers
Noise and smell are natural parts of being human. Any social system that doesn't accommodate the existence of human physiology should not be used for humans.
In regards to noise and smell, open space offices and Amazon toilet breaks are prime examples of how capitalism have failed to accommodate for human physiology.
You can be a bit of both sides, sometimes. Knowing the stuff on the right makes me feel the stuff on the left, if that makes sense. But not to such an extreme degree
Was in the supermarket on a Friday morning, so it was mostly people in their late 60s+, all white folk, all looking bitter. Brexit as fuck Boomers, y’know? And I was going to shitpost about this on Mastodon, but it hit me that the opinion I’d formed was based on fuck all. I had no evidence that those people were what I’d ascribed to them.
It’s ultimately the people who didn’t do anything about being exploited. It’s us who are not furious with our “leaders” and it’s us who are littering and poisoning this planet. Yeah, capitalism is just a symptom
That class of people subjugating is larger than you think. With the stock market, line goes up is on all of us. Even those "just trying to build their retirement". The entire system must be torn down.
So what you're saying because "power over" is bad, humans are bad? There are plenty humans civilizations who did a better job at preventing power, maybe your misanthropy is a symptom of a narrow worldview?
That's a pretty valid point of view. You're right on the fact most are corruptible by power, so i personally wouldn't blame individuals, i only blame the system.
And it's true the better systems didn't last... Doesn't mean we can't try to improve ever so slightly.
Now i'm not sure how much we can learn from history though.
The problem is that our paradigm is changing much too fast alongside our technology.
So i think we can't really predict what the gamble of technology will give us next.
Might be bad, might be good, or something just different, but i bet we will be extremely surprised by how fast change will come.
You don't see how tech is the only reason for the world changing like it does recently?
Internet and digital tech for exemple, is what made Google, Amazon or Facebook...
Their capital didn't came from just the guys running things, pretty far from it. Without them their company would still exist, just with a different name and guy at the top, they would give the same service.
What created those company and the capital is what was invented and developed by programmers and scientists.
And only profit is driving it, not any one person.
Today what is changing things repeatedly is digital techniques like AI.
And let's be honest gafa aren't the one chosing to invest, they just know if it's not them the opportunity to make billions will be to someone else, it's just reality of technical advancement.
And that's what changed our society, always has been. Same could be said about coal, electricity and petrol, cars...
The market just follows the flow of technology, and the problem is that it doesn't care for people in the process, you just can't miss an opportunity.
P.S. I'd also argue it change a lot about US in some sens, it changed our vision of the world, our culture and our way to interact.
Sure it doesn't change our nature. But i don't think our nature is the only factor in how our society evolve. It's not the only thing that matters to us anymore, i wouldn't be able to talk to you let alone read (i haves glasses). Most of the things we do aren't natural.
Now sure AI isn't really intelligent let alone conscious. But it is such a tool that impacted a lot industry and our daily lives. Writing or art, gaming, programming, all changed to some extent. And it seems to still have a long way to go.
Now of course it will not change that much on its own, but in the future alongside with everything else we're going to invent, i think it will make things change, like previous invention made our modern society.
This worldview is getting increasingly more common with more people falling for eco-fascist talking points. In my experience it most often boils down to two reasons why this happens: lack of education or unwillingness.
As you mentioned you're in a privileged position, I am just gonna accuse you of the second.
And that's a shame. I bet with all the time you have from being free from being forced to do wage labour you could actually do good in the world. Your generalisation is an insult to every good person in the world, and I find that to be narrow-minded and disgusting.
That's great to hear you're trying to be better than your skewed view of humanity! I hope I was wrong.
I don't know you, so hating you is kind of difficult and I don't want to anyways :). I do absolutely despise the opinions you've presented in this thread though. I understand them on an emotional level, but I really encourage you to try to grow past them. It only helps those who want to make the world a worse place, and I personally think that empathy and cooperation is the way out.
I understand that's more difficult than just throwing the towel.
Yes, we need to practice with ourselves before we get to meet the evil xenos from the stars and avoid getting curbstomped by them. I think we are doing great.
Many native societies (who often still exist today), the zapatistas, in the ZADs, the Paris commune, Rojava, and also potentially most of the time humanity existed. I could dig up more, but arguing with somebody who has opinions like that is tedious.
"Meanwhile, antihumanists have divested the very concept of Progress of all relevance and meaning in the farrago of human self-denigration that marks the moods of the present time. A skepticism that denies any meaning, rationality, coherence, and continuity in History, that corrodes the very existence of premises, let alone the necessity of exploring them, renders discourse itself virtually impossible"
I feel like when you see some people being evil, and your conclusion is that everyone would be evil if given the chance, you kind of have to also be evil to come to that conclusion. Good people don't "turn evil" easily. If you suddenly "become evil" as soon as the opportunity presents itself, were you ever truly good?
I've heard the phrase, but that doesn't make it true. Power attracts bad people and gives them the opportunity to be more bad. This doesn't mean it turns good people bad.
a youtuber that earns his money by being “good” and is literally living off this “making news” isn’t really counting in my book.
Why not? He's basically a walking nonprofit organization. He makes videos of spending the money to make more money through ad revenue and merch sales, but that earned money is reinvested into future charity. I wasn't able to find specifics, but it's a significant amount (several million, multiple times). Is he also enjoying being a celebrity? Yeah, probably. But that doesn't mean he's not both good and powerful.
Sanders won't get in power
I mean, he was fairly close to being the democratic presidential nominee, and he's a pretty productive government member even now. He's always had a very clear positive stance on things like gay marriage and other democratic policies, even far back into his early career when those were much less popular.
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Godric@lemmy.world · 83 pts · 2y
People were shitty monsters before capitalism, and after too. People have been people regardless of economic system.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works · 46 pts · 2y
"Humanity is a disease" is not the same statement as "humanity is capable of committing atrocities" though. The latter leaves the door open for a "but", while the former makes humanity itself a systemic problem but refuses or "forgets" to pin the blame on anyone or any system.
Such statements devolve the conversation into defeatist pseudo-nihilism, where a "true nihilist" knows that the betterment of humanity will have to come from within.
I do agree that capitalism is not the root of all evil, but it is central to the particular "planet's fucked, housing is unaffordable, and no-one cares" doomer sentiment that is depicted in the meme (at least that is how I read it).
joenforcer@midwest.social · 12 pts · 2y
Sir, this is Lemmy. Everything bad past, present, and future is the fault of capitalism.
Oh yeah, everything bad is the fault of cars too. Almost forgot that one.
Chestnut@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
Some one on that "we need more sensitive men like in LOTR" post one of the top comments was about how men aren't like this because capitalism. I point out the absurdity of that message and get ratio'd
Its such an echo chamber
LazyBane@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Like yeah capitalism in it's current state us the cuase of a lot of problems, but the inevitable communist revolution isn't going to do much about the crushing expectations society puts on men.
Funkytom467@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2y
Society start to become unwell only when the few "monsters" get power, especially in a unbalanced way.
And yes some have and always will try to get it, but i don't think it's very relevant here...
Capitalism is a very powerful way for them to use our economic system to get their power, hence why it's a problem in itself.
And that's also why we could have hope for a system where they can't get power. Democracy is one solution, although limited, for example.
Nudding@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Humanity has put monsters in charge since the beginning. There are monsters in charge of all of us right this second.
LazyBane@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
People really do love to try and tie every world issue into one thing, when the fact of the matter is that things like "the patriarchy" or "capitalism" are just tools of the oppressor and not the oppressor themselves.
It doesn't matter what ideology you run a society with if the people are the top are all shortsighted, self interested ideologues.
People accosiate monarchs with oppression for a reason.
actionJack@lemm.ee · -2 pts · 2y
So much global equivocation in so few words.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 48 pts · 2y
Hey sad person, my parents are super rich so I could afford to go to a fancy university that had a legit communist poli sci professor. That's where I learned how to talk to the poors. Which is what you are.
You see your problem is that you're poor because you didn't have rich parents like I did. No I'm not going to do anything to help you, I gotta get of the hair salon LOL. But now that you understand that you're unhappy because you're poor, that's going to make your life so much better! Ok, I've done my good deed for the day so I don't have to feel bad about having a trust fund. Gotta go, byeeeeee!
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 2y
Tbf the fact that education requires money is also a problem of the system.
LazyBane@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
Everytime I think rich kids must feel bad for inequality, I remember how easy it is for them to cure their own guilt with the small platitudes of progressivism that won't at all effect the system that empowers them to our detriment.
explodicle@local106.com · 6 pts · 2y
Joke's on you, I learned most of this stuff from Wikipedia.
Zehzin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Unironically, yes. Specially if you also understand the reason why you're poor.
taanegl@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 2y
volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee · 17 pts · 2y
I'd watch that
Etterra@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 2y
To bad fixing it costs resources that are largely hoarded and contrived by the people who profit off it being broken.
CptEnder@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
rockSlayer@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 2y
Yummy, I love having class consciousness with my lunch
juxta@reddthat.com · -34 pts · 2y
The girl is the reason the guy is literally me.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 2y
How sad
silasmariner@programming.dev · 14 pts · 2y
I fear he has internalised the current dynamics of the life-struggle, and failed to appreciate the profound beauty of the dynamic near-equilibrium that permits the sorrow of life (and the joys that they imply) to ever exist in the first place
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
In a way which misplaces blame and in turn obscures the actual dynamics of culpability for their struggles?
silasmariner@programming.dev · 3 pts · 2y
Very much so
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ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 2y
No it has nothing to do with my specific situation it has everything to do with looking at human history and realizing we've been destructive barbarous cunts the whole time.
We literally just act like we're not or ignore the obvious violence that has been constant on this planet.
And honestly it's not even just humans. Other animals are also incredibly violent and cruel. They just generally don't have the ability to know what their doing is cruel.
Like a monkey eating another animal alive because killing it takes more effort. Or a group of hyenas gnawing at the ass of an animal because it's the easiest part to chew through which results in the animal staying alive until it's about halfway eaten and dies of blood loss. Or the fact that a lot of animals can survive with mortal wounds for days just prolonging their suffering before their certain death.
Life is fucked all the way through.
explodicle@local106.com · 3 pts · 2y
Hunter gatherers weren't so bad, it was just when we started saying "this land is mine" that we ran into true savagery.
Thcdenton@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 2y
Pretty sure even our pre-human ancestors fought over territory.
Krauerking@lemy.lol · 8 pts · 2y
Yeah Homo Sapien wasn't the only species to evolve as a bipedal hunter gatherer and yet somehow we are the only ones left.... Hmmmm
Thcdenton@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Number 1! Number1!
Wogi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y
Hunter gatherers hunted and gathered mega fauna to extinction too. So aggressively did we hunt before we even wrote anything down that we had to settle down and say "this land is mine, and you may not take the grain from it"
Kedly@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Mass Extinction Cycles have been part of this Planets normal cycle for a LOOOOONG time before humans started doing it too. Oxygen, the thing that all current life in this planet needs, caused one with its mass introduction. Literally everything that people list as reasons for hating humans show up everywhere in nature and other animals. Theres a shitload of good things we have accomplished that cant be said for nature and other animals though. The thing thats unique about humans, and why I think it means we need to eventually leave this planet and turn it into a nature reserve, is that we managed to escape Natures checks and balances, which, to be clear, is death and starvation. Being able to provide quality life for almost all humans born, regardless of health and mental conditions is amazing, but unfortunately makes us incompatible with nature, and if we removed our selves from that, NOT by killing ourselves, but instead by creating our own environments on space stations and dead planets, we can have all of the positives, without the negatives of being incompatible with Nature
Nudding@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
Humanity has driven 70% of all species to extinction since our first steps.
We are equivalent to a super volcano or a meteor.
Nudding@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2y
How many megafauna did we hunt to extinction before we even invented language lol. Humanity is literally a disease. We exploit resources until there is nothing left to exploit. Every. Single. Time.
kofe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
I encourage you to look at experiments with kids involving altruism. The research suggests much of our fucked up nature is rather learned through the environment. The more we improve our environment, the more we'll likely see that altruism shine through. Not to say psychopaths don't exist, but they are extremely rare, and research demonstrates that they can live relatively well without acting on their impulses with proper treatment, too.
actionJack@lemm.ee · 20 pts · 2y
I switched to lemm.ee partly to avoid the constant doomerism vibe in reddit. Unfortunate to see lots of lemmings here trying to keep the negative vibe tho.
Let's have a quick reality check: human civilization is young AF. We are cosmic toddlers. No need to throw in the towel just yet on our collective (and individual) ability to be/come more self-aware and ethical. Let the sample size grow, fam.
Legonatic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
I am also not a fan of the doomerism. Feels harder to avoid here unfortunately
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Even the elderly can learn. But also we’ve existed less long than any known member of our genus so yeah we aren’t cosmic toddlers, we’re Terran toddlers
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 2y
This fits the "leftist meme wall of text" archetype to a T
Electric_Druid@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 2y
Based to the nth degree
yamanii@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2y
samus12345@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2y
And if they truly are one, they won't see anything morally wrong with it. It would be on them for not being able to prevent it.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social · 15 pts · 2y
I don’t think capitalism is responsible for humans being noisy and smelly.
bstix@feddit.dk · 30 pts · 2y
Noise and smell are natural parts of being human. Any social system that doesn't accommodate the existence of human physiology should not be used for humans.
In regards to noise and smell, open space offices and Amazon toilet breaks are prime examples of how capitalism have failed to accommodate for human physiology.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social · 10 pts · 2y
Okay but they’ll still be noisy and smelly.
bstix@feddit.dk · 18 pts · 2y
When you're stuck in traffic, remember, you are traffic.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social · 23 pts · 2y
Believe me, I know. The worst part about humanity is that I’m one of them.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
That's probably true.
Unless they're playing music on the bus through their phone speaker,
or using some shitty body spray.
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 2y
You can be a bit of both sides, sometimes. Knowing the stuff on the right makes me feel the stuff on the left, if that makes sense. But not to such an extreme degree
Sorgan71@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y
Damn I totally read all that shit. For sure
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 2y
The solution is always to watch the LOTR extended editions.
ma1w4re@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 2y
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 2y
TLDR: capitalism.
ma1w4re@lemm.ee · 11 pts · 2y
DJDarren@thelemmy.club · 8 pts · 2y
I had this little realisation the other day.
Was in the supermarket on a Friday morning, so it was mostly people in their late 60s+, all white folk, all looking bitter. Brexit as fuck Boomers, y’know? And I was going to shitpost about this on Mastodon, but it hit me that the opinion I’d formed was based on fuck all. I had no evidence that those people were what I’d ascribed to them.
Was quite a revelation.
boatsnhos931@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
Got damn banana, I told you I ain't got no tree FIDDY
BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 2y
People are generally awful as a rule. The current social climate simply exacerbates the issue.
riodoro1@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
It’s ultimately the people who didn’t do anything about being exploited. It’s us who are not furious with our “leaders” and it’s us who are littering and poisoning this planet. Yeah, capitalism is just a symptom
therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 2y
I'm not reading that
Sanctus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
That class of people subjugating is larger than you think. With the stock market, line goes up is on all of us. Even those "just trying to build their retirement". The entire system must be torn down.
abbadon420@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Electric_Druid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
NaoPb@eviltoast.org · 1 pts · 2y
What is this? Boomers making memes?
Surp@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Written by a rich 1% I'm sure of it!
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
I think the whole Avaturd group is there, no? Thinking humanity is cancer...pathetic traitors to humanity.
boatsnhos931@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 2y
Will u marry me
intensely_human@lemm.ee · -5 pts · 2y
An entire generation of people:
That same generation:
Emerald@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y
Can you explain? Are you saying that the only reason people hate capitalism is because of communist propaganda?
samus12345@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Yeah, man, I used to love capitalism until I saw some memes on Lemmy saying that it's bad!
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · -6 pts · 2y
BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 2y
So what you're saying because "power over" is bad, humans are bad? There are plenty humans civilizations who did a better job at preventing power, maybe your misanthropy is a symptom of a narrow worldview?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2y
Funkytom467@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
That's a pretty valid point of view. You're right on the fact most are corruptible by power, so i personally wouldn't blame individuals, i only blame the system.
And it's true the better systems didn't last... Doesn't mean we can't try to improve ever so slightly.
Now i'm not sure how much we can learn from history though.
The problem is that our paradigm is changing much too fast alongside our technology.
So i think we can't really predict what the gamble of technology will give us next.
Might be bad, might be good, or something just different, but i bet we will be extremely surprised by how fast change will come.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2y
Funkytom467@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
You don't see how tech is the only reason for the world changing like it does recently?
Internet and digital tech for exemple, is what made Google, Amazon or Facebook...
Their capital didn't came from just the guys running things, pretty far from it. Without them their company would still exist, just with a different name and guy at the top, they would give the same service.
What created those company and the capital is what was invented and developed by programmers and scientists.
And only profit is driving it, not any one person.
Today what is changing things repeatedly is digital techniques like AI.
And let's be honest gafa aren't the one chosing to invest, they just know if it's not them the opportunity to make billions will be to someone else, it's just reality of technical advancement.
And that's what changed our society, always has been. Same could be said about coal, electricity and petrol, cars...
The market just follows the flow of technology, and the problem is that it doesn't care for people in the process, you just can't miss an opportunity.
P.S. I'd also argue it change a lot about US in some sens, it changed our vision of the world, our culture and our way to interact.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2y
Funkytom467@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Sure it doesn't change our nature. But i don't think our nature is the only factor in how our society evolve. It's not the only thing that matters to us anymore, i wouldn't be able to talk to you let alone read (i haves glasses). Most of the things we do aren't natural.
Now sure AI isn't really intelligent let alone conscious. But it is such a tool that impacted a lot industry and our daily lives. Writing or art, gaming, programming, all changed to some extent. And it seems to still have a long way to go.
Now of course it will not change that much on its own, but in the future alongside with everything else we're going to invent, i think it will make things change, like previous invention made our modern society.
BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 2y
This worldview is getting increasingly more common with more people falling for eco-fascist talking points. In my experience it most often boils down to two reasons why this happens: lack of education or unwillingness.
As you mentioned you're in a privileged position, I am just gonna accuse you of the second. And that's a shame. I bet with all the time you have from being free from being forced to do wage labour you could actually do good in the world. Your generalisation is an insult to every good person in the world, and I find that to be narrow-minded and disgusting.
BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 2y
On the off-chance the reason is the first, I recommend Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid" as an intro. It's free in the anarchist library and other places.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2y
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2y
BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 2y
That's great to hear you're trying to be better than your skewed view of humanity! I hope I was wrong.
I don't know you, so hating you is kind of difficult and I don't want to anyways :). I do absolutely despise the opinions you've presented in this thread though. I understand them on an emotional level, but I really encourage you to try to grow past them. It only helps those who want to make the world a worse place, and I personally think that empathy and cooperation is the way out.
I understand that's more difficult than just throwing the towel.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2y
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Yes, we need to practice with ourselves before we get to meet the evil xenos from the stars and avoid getting curbstomped by them. I think we are doing great.
BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2y
Would you mind explaining how you answer that question yourself? Just so I don't misunderstand you.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2y
BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 2y
Many native societies (who often still exist today), the zapatistas, in the ZADs, the Paris commune, Rojava, and also potentially most of the time humanity existed. I could dig up more, but arguing with somebody who has opinions like that is tedious.
Bookchin, you can find the context here
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2y
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
I feel like when you see some people being evil, and your conclusion is that everyone would be evil if given the chance, you kind of have to also be evil to come to that conclusion. Good people don't "turn evil" easily. If you suddenly "become evil" as soon as the opportunity presents itself, were you ever truly good?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2y
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
I've heard the phrase, but that doesn't make it true. Power attracts bad people and gives them the opportunity to be more bad. This doesn't mean it turns good people bad.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2y
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Most people who are good don't make the news, but unironically: MrBeast, Jesus, and Bernie Sanders
Never thought I'd put any two of those people in the same category lmao
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2y
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Yeah I made this hard mode with my choices lol
Why not? He's basically a walking nonprofit organization. He makes videos of spending the money to make more money through ad revenue and merch sales, but that earned money is reinvested into future charity. I wasn't able to find specifics, but it's a significant amount (several million, multiple times). Is he also enjoying being a celebrity? Yeah, probably. But that doesn't mean he's not both good and powerful.
I mean, he was fairly close to being the democratic presidential nominee, and he's a pretty productive government member even now. He's always had a very clear positive stance on things like gay marriage and other democratic policies, even far back into his early career when those were much less popular.
Acinonyx@lemmy.sdf.org · -9 pts · 2y
I didn't read right but she's the reason why left exists
edit: okay I read the wall of text and am now indeed on left's side