One in four Dutch voters has lost faith in all political parties, survey finds
https://nltimes.nl/2025/06/25/one-four-dutch-voters-lost-faith-political-parties-survey-finds
https://nltimes.nl/2025/06/25/one-four-dutch-voters-lost-faith-political-parties-survey-finds
43 Comments
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 1y
This is how Trumps get ellected
Vinny_93@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
A Trump was elected here but he fucked it all up within a year without even having managed to improve or ruin anything.
We have good hopes the next government is gonna get it right.
Vincent@feddit.nl · 17 pts · 1y
Wait what? Where do those hopes come from?
saltesc@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
Political options aren't ruined by two-party system, so there's flexibility.
Options and diversity generally results in progress and balance.
Vinny_93@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Well... We've had this system for some time now and we can't really say our government is super stable lately. In fact, the splintering pretty much makes it impossible to set a clear course. Plus, most parties make hot button issues their hill to die on so they'll just pull ultimatums all the time and threaten to blow up the government if they don't get what they want. Even if the Algemene Rekenkamer tells everyone that their plans are inexecutable.
Vincent@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 1y
Sure, there are options, but they're not terribly different from last time. It's always possible to get something great, but I don't see how hopes are particularly higher now than they were e.g. at the last elections.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
There's an increased likelihood of a party changing and causing a break in stalemate situations. Doesn't mean it'll happen, but there is an increased likelihood.
Vincent@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 1y
Yeah, but that just means that we might be able to avoid stalemates - not necessarily that we'll get a government that's better than usual š
Vinny_93@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
I figured at least a couple of the PVV voters are so disillusioned they'll just not vote this time.
Vincent@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 1y
On the one hand I'm not sure if that's such good news (I don't like the PVV, but I do think it's important that citizens are involved in how the country is governed), and on the other hand I'm not even sure that it's true. They're still polling strong.
They won't rule any more, that's true, but they'll make it harder to former a stable government, and still have strong influence on the policy that does get enacted. Compared to e.g. any election before the last one, I see no signs that make me particularly hopeful.
tostiman@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 1y
Wilders is our Trump
dalekcaan@lemm.ee · 24 pts · 1y
It really is impressive how these fascist assclowns look alike
Matombo@feddit.org · 16 pts · 1y
RidderSport@feddit.org · 7 pts · 1y
His surname is Bernd, don't be mean to him
Matombo@feddit.org · 9 pts · 1y
There is another german bernd, who doesn't deserve to share a name with this nazi asshole.
RidderSport@feddit.org · 3 pts · 1y
Based Bernd is how I call this lovely loaf of bread.
Exec@pawb.social · 3 pts · 1y
The Netherlands doesn't have the First Past the Post system
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 8 pts · 1y
Neither does Germany and the AfD is still rising so... yeah.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1y
The most extremist-proof voting system I know of is approval voting. Proportional representation is unfortunately not really great at preventing extremism.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 1y
I mean, there's a limit to how much a voting system can do. Western democracies have more fundamental problems.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y
Is it democracy that has a problem, or is it humans? Take the housing crisis, for example. We want low rents without lotteries, except we also want beautiful cities without commieblocks or even high-rises, and the significant proportion of voters who own their own homes want home values to always increase. And god forbid property taxes forces a retired old person out of a home that's far larger than what they need. There is just no solution that satisfies all constraints. So we muddle through, mumbling something about "damn foreigners" and "eat the rich". If we all actually agreed the housing crisis is a problem we're willing to make sacrifices to solve, then we'd solve it in an instant. But no. Only mimimi.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y
Which is the goal of the very populists they voted forā¦
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 8 pts · 1y
Is it the "right-wing populists govern in unison with conservative party, ineptly" effect?
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
That means 75% are still in the delusion that anyone cares. That's a lot higher than I would have thought.
tal@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 1y
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Social_Contract
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Freedom
So I take it that this is something of a "I voted for either less or no EU and a Netherlands for the Dutch and yet the government hasn't done any of that!"
Vinny_93@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
NSC had a guy who was tired of lobbying, tired of opacity of government and tired of political games. He is a dude who always had thorough knowledge of dossiers, who went the smart route.
But the PVV are populist blowhards who rely on bashing refugees (not immigrants, the Netherlands relies on immigrants too much) and their skewed statements about the economical costs resonated with voters who give up reading any document after a word with more than two syllables.
So the NSC had to basically water down everything the PVV wanted to do and had no time for any of their own points. Plus you had the VVD and the BBB in there, who are respectively for rich folks and farmers.
This cabinet was always doomed to fail and if the Dutch can't meet somewhere in the middle and keep splitting the vote between far right and far left, this will keep happening until America invades and we become an overseas colony.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1y
Thanks for the breakdown. What does BBB stand for, politically?
rlychilplr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer%E2%80%93Citizen_Movement
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1y
Thanks! So you have not one but two clearly right-wing populist parties? Plus NSC which seems to be a more "salon" version?
hyves@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 1y
Pfff as if. We also have FvD (forum for democracy), and JA21 which split off from FvD because FvD started saying the quiet part out loud
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Everyone's good with the media, then. It's just the political parties they've lost faith in.
JustJack23@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 1y
So they are doing direct action to improve their conditions right? Right?
korsystems@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
We can't blame them, it's pretty much the same everywhere in the West: bourgeois democracies full of backward, imperialist, greedy, and now fascist scums. Perhaps it's time to accept that our model is a total failure and move towards something new, by popular force if necessary.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1y
In the US itās probably what? Atleast half?
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · -1 pts · 1y
The left runs on vibes and the right doesn't want to fix anything. That's not the fault of political parties, but just how different kinds of people think and operate. I don't have a solution, really. The best I can come up with is: If you don't like the laws where you live, see if anywhere else has a system you like. If you find something, consider moving there. If you don't find what you're dreaming of anywhere in the world then it is probably not (politically?) possible and you'll just have to cope.
jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
No. This line of thought concedes something to the American neofascist ideologues that I refuse to take seriously as an idea because when you see it plainly stated, not under milquetoast rhetorical wraps⦠the patent absurdity of the thought gleans true.
What is this idea, this concession? Itās the idea that your only true natural right is what they call the āright of feetā or some other asinine phrase. Technofascists believe you have no natural right other than the right to choose which shitty government you live in.
This isnāt true. Your espousing of the same idea is, similarly, not true. To anyone reading the original doomer comment - donāt let it get you down. You can change your home for the better and just because something doesnāt exist in the real world currently doesnāt mean it is āpolitically impossibleā⦠think about how many ancient forms of government arenāt found in the world today. Do those constitute something ānot politically possibleā or are we starting to see the problem here?
People build a better world everyday. If you concede your ability to affect change you sacrifice the most divine nature of man.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · 0 pts · 1y
I applaud your optimism, and I think in theory you're right. I just don't think the odds are in the favor of anyone taking your advice.
huppakee@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 1y
You forget the option 'choose to participate and try to push your city/country closer to the world you dream of'.
numblyscabbyeach@lemmy.zip · -7 pts · 1y
mholiv@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
The people who oppose your interests certainly arenāt apolitical though. š¤·āāļø
Your boss and your landlord can do your voting for you I guess.
numblyscabbyeach@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1y
mholiv@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
As I said. Your boss and landlord will vote. You can trust them to represent your interests. Clearly.
numblyscabbyeach@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1y
mholiv@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Not caring about the world around you and who makes the laws in your life is certainly one way to live.
Very slave mentality.
If the government told me I could not legally be with the person I love I would reject it and fight. Just being like āok guess I have to accept that I canāt be with the person I loveā is just crazy in my mind.
Good for you that you can handle that. I could not.
tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1y
The word "idiot" was originally conceived to mean someone apolitical. Its meaning drifted for a reason.
numblyscabbyeach@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1y
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 1y
Want me to vote for you?
numblyscabbyeach@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1y