Quite good, if you avoid the fact it's literally everywhere including the atmosphere, doesn't break down, and causes cancer. But who cares about such little things like cancer causing rain...
Teflon is the brand name for for the chemical Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). Making PTFE requires PFAS, which are the toxic part. Think of PFAS as little bits of chain varying lengths that get strung together to make the larger PTFE molecule.
The argument you're making sounds similar to something like "Fossil Fuels are safe, it's just the CO2 that's dangerous." PFAS contaminated water being released to the environment is an unavoidable by produce of making Teflon. You can only make Teflon as a solid without suspending the PFAS in water first.
Here's a pretty good video about the history, manufacturing process, and toxicity.
There is one important note: you won't get cancer from the Teflon in your pans. You get it from the PFAS used to produce the pans. This means you don't have to throw out all your pans, as if they were made from lead and asbestos. Just make sure not to buy new ones with Teflon.
The argument you're making sounds similar to something like "Fossil Fuels are safe, it's just the CO2 that's dangerous."
I didn't read it that way at all. Their argument sounds more like "there's nuance that you're glossing over."
It seems that we all agree PFAS are generally nasty chemicals, some worse than others. Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene) is just one of the "nicer" ones.
our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.
Teflon itself is inert, but it's also not needed to avoid that food sticks in a pan. In a good prepared Steel pan food sticks less than in a Teflon pan and is way more resistant to damages. The food sticks in the pan, if you don't wait to add the food until it's heated enough, not for other reasons, mistake often don by normal users. Professional cooks never use Teflon pans.
Preparing a Steel pan non-stick
Clean the pan after buy it
Heat the pan on the kitchen
Add some oil and heat somewhat more until it smoke
After this, wait until i's cold enough and distribute and eliminate the oil film over the whole surface with an kitchen paper.
Done
After this, to fry something, add a little oil and wait until the oil has enough heat (test with the handle of a wood spoon, if it forms little bubbles on it in the oil, the temperature is OK), to add the food. It will never stick this way.
our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.
our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.
Oxidative stress, characterized by the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS) within cells, plays a critical role in the development of cancer by affecting genomic stability and signaling pathways within the cellular microenvironment.
In Denmark there was until very recently a factory doing something with teflon. That shit got launched out the chimney and just rained down everywhere.
Edit: I was just being salty in my original comment due to the meme being to vague and me being a chemist.
I'm not from the states but actually got to visit the DuPont plant that did nylon and Lycra. Also saw the river that once changed colour or something due to waste chemicals? I can't remember the story.
Regardless, I in no way support DuPont or any other company that is responsible for such damages as they have caused.
You're just not trying hard enough, it took me a while but i managed to jam it in there (very little room in my veins because of all the microplastics)
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Gladaed@feddit.org · 51 pts · 354d
Which ones are meant
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 74 pts · 353d
Teflon freon(CFC)...
SW42@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 353d
Teflon is just the brand name. I believe it’s called Polytetrafluorethylene, thus ending in ne :)
craftrabbit@lemmy.zip · 42 pts · 353d
Thank dog, we're saved
lemmyknow@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 353d
SW42 shall forever be remembered a hero, who saved the world from a dark path
olafurp@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 352d
Known also as PFAS or forever chemicals
Tja@programming.dev · 25 pts · 353d
Teflon itself is quite good, getting it to stick to places is the problem.
Shareni@programming.dev · 40 pts · 353d
Quite good, if you avoid the fact it's literally everywhere including the atmosphere, doesn't break down, and causes cancer. But who cares about such little things like cancer causing rain...
Mr_Fish@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 353d
Again, that's from getting it to stick to things. The smaller PTFE chemicals that make it possible to suspend Teflon in water are the problem.
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 35 pts · 353d
Teflon is the brand name for for the chemical Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). Making PTFE requires PFAS, which are the toxic part. Think of PFAS as little bits of chain varying lengths that get strung together to make the larger PTFE molecule.
The argument you're making sounds similar to something like "Fossil Fuels are safe, it's just the CO2 that's dangerous." PFAS contaminated water being released to the environment is an unavoidable by produce of making Teflon. You can only make Teflon as a solid without suspending the PFAS in water first.
Here's a pretty good video about the history, manufacturing process, and toxicity.
https://youtu.be/SC2eSujzrUY
Rednax@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 353d
There is one important note: you won't get cancer from the Teflon in your pans. You get it from the PFAS used to produce the pans. This means you don't have to throw out all your pans, as if they were made from lead and asbestos. Just make sure not to buy new ones with Teflon.
ExFed@programming.dev · 2 pts · 353d
I didn't read it that way at all. Their argument sounds more like "there's nuance that you're glossing over."
It seems that we all agree PFAS are generally nasty chemicals, some worse than others. Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene) is just one of the "nicer" ones.
BakerBagel@midwest.social · 2 pts · 353d
You can't make teflon without the PFAS though. It's like saying AIDS is completely different than HIV
BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 353d
It's also what makes it cheap. Making Teflon other ways is much more expensive.
Shareni@programming.dev · 3 pts · 353d
It's releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969724027232
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 353d
Teflon itself is inert, but it's also not needed to avoid that food sticks in a pan. In a good prepared Steel pan food sticks less than in a Teflon pan and is way more resistant to damages. The food sticks in the pan, if you don't wait to add the food until it's heated enough, not for other reasons, mistake often don by normal users. Professional cooks never use Teflon pans.
Preparing a Steel pan non-stick
After this, to fry something, add a little oil and wait until the oil has enough heat (test with the handle of a wood spoon, if it forms little bubbles on it in the oil, the temperature is OK), to add the food. It will never stick this way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXEt-fhyCis
Shareni@programming.dev · 9 pts · 353d
About that
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/
Steel/iron > teflon for sure though.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · -1 pts · 353d
Teflon, on it's own is safe, the problem are the chemicals used to produce it.
Shareni@programming.dev · 1 pts · 353d
Read the rest of my comments...
Tja@programming.dev · -6 pts · 353d
Teflon doesn't cause cancer.
Shareni@programming.dev · 6 pts · 353d
It's releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969724027232
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/
Tja@programming.dev · -2 pts · 353d
Oxidative stress and inflammation is cancer?
Shareni@programming.dev · 4 pts · 353d
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41698-024-00554-5
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7027163/
https://biologyinsights.com/oxidative-stress-and-cancer-whats-the-connection/
https://biosignaling.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12964-023-01398-5
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6831096/
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 353d
I mean, it might... but we haven't shown it does.
lime@feddit.nu · 5 pts · 353d
teflon itself is proved safe. its production is what's causing all the problems.
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 353d
I had a waterproofing spray that said on it "Completely nontoxic ^when ^dry"
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 353d
In Denmark there was until very recently a factory doing something with teflon. That shit got launched out the chimney and just rained down everywhere.
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 353d
free of charge?
FlordaMan@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 353d
Nah, Dupont invoiced everyone.
lime@feddit.nu · 9 pts · 353d
monsanto tactics
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 353d
That's "our" cancer brother, gonna cost you
Tja@programming.dev · 4 pts · 353d
Yeah, every factory that does "something" with Teflon probably wants to stick it to things, which are the problematic chemicals, not Teflon itself.
anti_antidote@lemmy.zip · 48 pts · 353d
Crayon 💀
pupbiru@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 353d
made from crayfish
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 353d
Nylon? To many things end with on.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 19 pts · 353d
funnily enough, that is a DuPont thing, but hasn't find its way into everyone's blood yet.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 353d
Umm.. I've some bad news for you.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412024003374
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 9 pts · 353d
welp, guess this meme is even more true then.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 353d
Yeah, that's why I chose it haha.
Edit: I was just being salty in my original comment due to the meme being to vague and me being a chemist.
I'm not from the states but actually got to visit the DuPont plant that did nylon and Lycra. Also saw the river that once changed colour or something due to waste chemicals? I can't remember the story.
Regardless, I in no way support DuPont or any other company that is responsible for such damages as they have caused.
ignotum@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 353d
You're just not trying hard enough, it took me a while but i managed to jam it in there (very little room in my veins because of all the microplastics)
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 353d
Now do it with Lycra.
Nikls94@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 353d
Watermelon?
Dicska@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 353d
Lethal when breathed in.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 353d
canceron should have been a dead giveaway
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 353d
Does Teflon explain MAGA?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
marcos@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 353d
Nah, I'm betting on plain old lead.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 353d
zyklon B?,mustard gas.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl · 1 pts · 353d
polderprutser@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 351d
Chermical