In France, we have "Portez ce vieux whisky au juge blond qui fume" ("Bring that old whiskey to the blond smoking judge") and I find it really... french since we manage to put alcohol and tobacco in an alexandrine just to make a pangram.
It's an imperfect one as it's missing all the accented characters. Given the state of some fonts, you really want to test those, especially upper case ones.
Don't be too hard on yourself. I've seen this post come up on Reddit many times over the years, and every time the comments are full of people who think various letters are missing.
I don't need to, there were several alternatives on Wikipedia:
Yxmördaren Julia Blomqvist på fäktning i Schweiz
Schweiz för lyxfjäder på qvist bakom ugn
FAQ om Schweiz: Klöv du trång pjäxby? - this is an incomprehensible sentence, though it must be said, it does sound Swedish when spoken.
Yxskaftbud, ge vår WC-zonmö IQ-hjälp - this is also incomprehensible, plus the first word seems to be misspelled, it should be "Yxskaftsbud", the missing s makes it hard to pronounce
Gud hjälpe Zorns mö qwickt få byx av - a sentence with old spellings and words, and rather naughty meaning, this sentence also misses the letter V, in the past when w and v could be used interchangeably it would be a proper pangram.
Byxfjärmat föl gick på duvshowen - misses Q and Z, but has the combinations fj and fö, which is very useful to test fonts for Swedish compabillity.
Tjock ges BMW på quiz, hänförd av lyx - one of the best pangrams here, it contains every letter and, even better, is perfectly logical.
I checked the same Wiki and I think no one can beat Finland's one-word pangram: Törkylempijävongahdus ("the more you think, the more you'll be able to do it")
this whole exercise is really meant to exist in schools. like, schools for young kids.
we're adults arguing about which nursery rhyme is cooler while forgetting that this isn't for us. it needs to be easily understood by children. that's why we use one with only short easy words.
even the sentence structure of the second one is complicated and hard for a child to remember.
In all truth, I've probably seen more sphinxes than foxes. There are literally hundreds of them in Egypt, although they are quite small compared to the one near the pyramids in Giza. They also find their way into museums around the world.
I've only seen one or two foxes, in the wild. A few more in zoos, I suppose.
I never claimed it was. But I'd bet there are tens of millions of people that have never seen a fox in real life, not even in regular daily life. Even if they live in a region where foxes do live, daily urban life isn't exactly conducive them.
We live in the suburbs (UK), and our place is lousy with foxes - might be the most common animal you see. On the plus side, the cubs are incredibly cute; but on the downside, "fox romance" is not what you want to be listening to at three in the morning, and our cats go crazy chasing them out of our garden. Could do without them getting into a scrap and causing me some crazy vet's bills.
I mean, I'm not going to discount the cool factor of the alternative, but I already forget what it is. Meanwhile the quick brown fox has been stuck in my head for years after only hearing of it a couple of times at most.
Not me. I can never remember it. Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow feels like a declaration a wizard would make with his dying breath. I don't think I'll forget it soon.
Because you've seen it repeatedly over years and years of time
Meanwhile the quick brown fox has been stuck in my head for years after only hearing of it a couple of times at most.
Either you never had to take typing, never had to change your font, or just weren't very observant. I've seen that phrase hundreds of times over the decades. Hell, I remember having to type the stupid phrase repeatedly in typing class back in the day.
'Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow' is much cooler and more memorable, just from one read.
I took typing in highschool. We did exercises about the letters and their placement in a QWERTY layout. "Quick ask Zoe, why stop X-rays, even dogs can't..." Fucking lodged in my brain still, even over two decades later.
That's right. I've been using computers since the early 90's. I'm old. I predate this phrase being popular. It still only took a couple of times seeing it, for it to be permanently lodged in my brain, just like asking Zoe quickly.
One letter shorter (28) and you've got "Waltz, bad nymph, for quick jigs vex!" I prefer that to the 27 letter "Quick nymph bugs vex fjord waltz."
And the only couple perfect pangrams listed are "Mr. Jock, TV quiz PhD, bags few lynx." or "Cwm fjord-bank glyphs vext quiz" (which even given the obscure words seems like it's missing an article before quiz).
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duckythescientist@sh.itjust.works · 105 pts · 362d
Jumps not jumped. You are missing an 's' otherwise. I'm amazed how common this mistake is 😁
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 362d
I've seen "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog's back" used to get the s in there.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 362d
Inefficient.
Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 361d
contains all the 27 letters of the english alphabet: a-z and '
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 361d
But where's the love?
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 69 pts · 362d
I use "grumpy wizards make a toxic brew for the jovial queen".
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 362d
I think I prefer "wizard makes" instead of "wizards make"
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
Or pluralize the brews
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 361d
The "a" is overused. As is the "e".
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 361d
I don't like this one
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 361d
Ok
fargeol@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 362d
In France, we have "Portez ce vieux whisky au juge blond qui fume" ("Bring that old whiskey to the blond smoking judge") and I find it really... french since we manage to put alcohol and tobacco in an alexandrine just to make a pangram.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 361d
It's an imperfect one as it's missing all the accented characters. Given the state of some fonts, you really want to test those, especially upper case ones.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 361d
whisky doing some heavy lifting. As it does...
callyral@pawb.social · 65 pts · 362d
erm, it's "jumps" over the lazy dog, not "jumped".
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 361d
That makes more sense as the phrase posted on the original image is missing an S
JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 361d
To add some pedantry i also say "quick fox" & "lazy brown dog" as i associate foxes as being orange.
gressen@lemmy.zip · 42 pts · 362d
"Zażółć gęślą jaźń" uses all the diacritics in Polish and was used to test code pages.
voodooattack@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 361d
“Yellow the goose self”?
I think my translator is hallucinating again
Edit: and if not, that’s a dope metalcore band name
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 361d
You translator might be correct considering that in hungarian we have "Árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép", meaning "Flood-proof mirror-drill-machine"
gressen@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 361d
I don't think the intention of that sentence was anything else than testing the letters and it wasn't really supposed to have any serious meaning.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 361d
How in touch are you with your gooseself?
kautau@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 362d
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tkk13909@sopuli.xyz · 35 pts · 362d
This post genuinely inspired me a year ago and now I use that sentence instead of the lazy dog one
Eq0@literature.cafe · 6 pts · 362d
Doesn’t it miss an f?
gray@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 362d
"of"
Eq0@literature.cafe · 15 pts · 362d
Facepalming hard…. Thanks…
sushibowl@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 361d
Don't be too hard on yourself. I've seen this post come up on Reddit many times over the years, and every time the comments are full of people who think various letters are missing.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 362d
Pangrams! My goto has been
How quickly daft jumping zebras vex!for a little while, it's just so silly.stoy@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 362d
In Sweden we use this weird old sentence:
"Flygande bäckasiner söka hwila på mjuka tuvor",
It doesn't even contian all letters, so you have to add "QXZ" to the end to complete the test....
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 362d
Can you devise a superior sentence? (Don’t have to if you don’t want to)
stoy@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 362d
I don't need to, there were several alternatives on Wikipedia:
kungen@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 361d
I checked the same Wiki and I think no one can beat Finland's one-word pangram: Törkylempijävongahdus ("the more you think, the more you'll be able to do it")
rautapekoni@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 361d
That translation is way off, it would be more like "the yelp of a trashy lover".
kungen@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 361d
Cool, thanks! I wonder where Google Translate got the other idea from.
Zero@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 361d
Just fyi, number 5 isn't missing the letter v, "av".
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 8 pts · 361d
damn, the sentence had one job
thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 362d
this whole exercise is really meant to exist in schools. like, schools for young kids.
we're adults arguing about which nursery rhyme is cooler while forgetting that this isn't for us. it needs to be easily understood by children. that's why we use one with only short easy words.
even the sentence structure of the second one is complicated and hard for a child to remember.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 362d
i thought it was made to test typewriters.
looked it up,
it was made to help teachers teach students how to type on keyboards. my bad
JargonWagon@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 361d
Fair, though it's also used to show off fonts, and I'll use that second one from now on.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 361d
I used this to test my code
Resand@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 362d
Because you don't really use/see sphinx or quartz much in daily life. Much better to use a sentence that's easier to write
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 362d
I've never seen a fox in daily life either. Might as well be the same as a sphinx if that's the bar.
denial@feddit.org · 17 pts · 362d
See them as a writen word.
There are no "hard" words in the fox sentence. While some people might struggle with writing sphinx or quartz.
three@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 362d
It's true, your experience is entirely representative of everyone else.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 362d
Wait, have you seen a sphinx? That's cool!
HamsterRage@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 362d
In all truth, I've probably seen more sphinxes than foxes. There are literally hundreds of them in Egypt, although they are quite small compared to the one near the pyramids in Giza. They also find their way into museums around the world.
I've only seen one or two foxes, in the wild. A few more in zoos, I suppose.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
I never claimed it was. But I'd bet there are tens of millions of people that have never seen a fox in real life, not even in regular daily life. Even if they live in a region where foxes do live, daily urban life isn't exactly conducive them.
NoPanko@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 362d
Daily urban life is very conducive to them, they scavenge bins around my area all the time.
Apepollo11@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 361d
I was about to say this! I've seen more foxes around the centre of Manchester and Sheffield than I have around the farms where I live.
addie@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 361d
We live in the suburbs (UK), and our place is lousy with foxes - might be the most common animal you see. On the plus side, the cubs are incredibly cute; but on the downside, "fox romance" is not what you want to be listening to at three in the morning, and our cats go crazy chasing them out of our garden. Could do without them getting into a scrap and causing me some crazy vet's bills.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 361d
You're missing out. Foxes are great.
thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
i think it's more about being words that kids will know.
Patches@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 361d
zululove@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 361d
I said that phrase and summoned a Gothic Demon
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 40 pts · 361d
Hi, it's me, your Gothic Demon
njm1314@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 361d
So just for posterity how many times do I have to say it before it works?
Breezy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
I tried 666 times and still didnt work. Very sad day.
zululove@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 361d
🤣😏🤘🏾
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 361d
I tried this, Odin is throwing rocks at me now. If I try to kill him do I go to Valhalla or Hel?
angrystego@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 362d
Sphinx coolness is not enough face to face with two cute animals in one sentence.
The_Decryptor@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 361d
Leads to cooler art too
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 361d
It's easier to remember?
I mean, I'm not going to discount the cool factor of the alternative, but I already forget what it is. Meanwhile the quick brown fox has been stuck in my head for years after only hearing of it a couple of times at most.
DrSoap@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 361d
Not me. I can never remember it. Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow feels like a declaration a wizard would make with his dying breath. I don't think I'll forget it soon.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
Because you've seen it repeatedly over years and years of time
Either you never had to take typing, never had to change your font, or just weren't very observant. I've seen that phrase hundreds of times over the decades. Hell, I remember having to type the stupid phrase repeatedly in typing class back in the day.
'Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow' is much cooler and more memorable, just from one read.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 360d
I took typing in highschool. We did exercises about the letters and their placement in a QWERTY layout. "Quick ask Zoe, why stop X-rays, even dogs can't..." Fucking lodged in my brain still, even over two decades later.
That's right. I've been using computers since the early 90's. I'm old. I predate this phrase being popular. It still only took a couple of times seeing it, for it to be permanently lodged in my brain, just like asking Zoe quickly.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 362d
Well, jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. So there.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 361d
My sphinx of black quartz brings all the jackdaws to the yard
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 361d
great
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 361d
And they’re like, it’s better than your’s
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 361d
"Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz."
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 361d
qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm is my favorite word
theQuickBrownFox@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 362d
oh...
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 361d
The hungry purple dinosaur ate the kind, zingy fox, the jabbering crab, and the mad whale and started vending and quacking.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 361d
One letter shorter (28) and you've got "Waltz, bad nymph, for quick jigs vex!" I prefer that to the 27 letter "Quick nymph bugs vex fjord waltz."
And the only couple perfect pangrams listed are "Mr. Jock, TV quiz PhD, bags few lynx." or "Cwm fjord-bank glyphs vext quiz" (which even given the obscure words seems like it's missing an article before quiz).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangram#Short_pangrams
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
You missed an S
tja@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 362d
systemglitch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 361d
It doesn't have the same flow.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
psoul@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 361d