I can speak a little dog but it doesn't work very well over the phone. Once I know a pup well enough (i.e. at least a hand-sniff and some petting/belly-rubs so we each have some indication that the other is friendly), it's fun to imitate the "play bow" and see how they respond. I figure if they can go to the trouble of learning to understand their human-assigned names and the typical assortment of dog-words, the least I can do is try to invite them to play in their own body language.
Do you also feel uncomfortable when people use the words adopt and foster when it comes to pets? They're also child-related words but I feel like those aren't as controversial to people.
Freud is regarded as the "father of psychiatry" and Aristotle as the "father of biology." Plenty of people who invented or had significant contributions to their field are considered "father/mother"
Good point. What if the word was mother or father instead of mom and dad? There are definitely more generalized uses of that, like fatherland or mother nature.
It's also off-putting when veterinary staff do it. I get that it's easier than remembering the human client's name, but I'm not my dog's mom, for several reasons:
I'm not a woman. Y'all are just misgendering me.
He's a son of a bitch, not a human
If he was the son of a human, that human was my grandma. I took him in after her death. That makes him my half-uncle.
I like "human". I'll ask strange dogs at the dog park "where is your human?"
I do similar to strange children that look lost at the grocery store--"where is your grown-up?" (I don't want to assume their family structure, and an adult talking to them usually causes them to dash back to their adult. Doesn't work the same way with dogs, tbh.)
I adopted my cat in her old age. She's...someteen years old. I don't actually know, her known history starts when she, an adult cat, followed my cousin's dog in through the dog door and demanded tuna. Like 13 years later my cousin passed away and I had room for her now ownerless cat.
I did no parenting to this cat. I am more a pillow than a parent to Izzy. I am her caretaker, she is dependent on me for her food, water and safety, but she isn't a child, and I didn't raise her.
It is weird for the traditional view of pets as property, beasts of labour, ornaments, or other living in-person. However recent decades has seen a popular shift towards treating select sentient animals (experience emotions) with some degree of sapience (reasoning/higher cognition), like cats and dogs, as people. Humans treat them as individual persons with their own subjective experience, desires, and lives worth living.
So when a human adopts a non-human animal under this view, they are also taking on the responsibility to care for the animal's needs and we'll-being, not just for what the animal provides the human (as would be the case of a beast of burden) but primarily for the sake of the animal's own worthwhile life--the human takes on a guardianship/parental role. This is why people are more and more being referred to as mom/dad/parent of their pet. More and more people are adopting animals as non-human children. Vets like to enforce it because it reduces animal cruelty and makes people more likely to do basic care.
This isn't to say many farmers don't try to give their animals a good life or recognize them as feeling beings with their own personality. They do, but not to the same degree as treating a pet as a non-human child.
Honestly, that doesn't make it much better. I always viewed the cats my family used to have as family members, but they were anything but children.
The way @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works put it captures it quite nicely. They rely on their owners for certain things, but they are not children and their personalities do not match that.
Referring to them a such gives me the ick because a) it infantilizes beings which, well, simply aren't children, b) at the same time humanizes them too much. And, paradoxically, c) makes me think of the kind of people who carry dogs around in their handbags and essentially treat them more like plushies rather than actual living beings. Just doesn't sit right with me.
I think the objection to the term is fine, you don't have to see yourself as a parent or your pet as your kids. It's an imperfect analogy for familial closeness and caregiving role--im sure other terms have their advantages. I was more suggesting an explanation for why it makes sense for some people, especially those who adopt puppies. After all, parents to human children stay parents regardless of the children's age... Which gets to the semantic hiccup behind this disagreement, there are two usages of child, one usage denotes familial relationship and social role, and one denotes age. I'm not a child, but I am the child of my parents.
Words are socially constructed, develop new meanings, and vary between cultures. Pet parent might be a new definition distinct from biological parent. Some people feel comfortable calling every family friend of their parents' generation auntie/uncle and others find it weird because it defies their blood-relation conception of the term. That's okay. Live and Let live.
Though, I think comparing the analogy of pets as children to treating pets as plushies says more about how you view children than anything :P
Why does this place lose it over censoring of curse words every damn time lol. It’s a f*cking word and the writer has a right to do whatever the fuck they choose when they write.
Heck half the time they look like they’re censored in a way to avoid being banned from uploading due to curse words.
To be abundantly clear, you freaks overreact on this topic every damn time. If I was into rage bait this place would be a damn gold mine. Y’all must have blessed lives if this is what you get your kn*ckers in a twist over.
I just wonder who does it. The poster? Is it because of moral reasons? Is it because they want to profit off this shitty meme and are smart enough to know they cant monetize it? Are they originally posting on some forum with strict curse word rules? Is it an automated system that does it? Is it ragebait? I have so many questions regarding this practice.
I think its reposters, fishing for memes and cleaning them up to fill up a shitty facebook group that they then monetize. People then pick it up from them and post here.
The algorithm can recogbize those "censored" words just fine. But the post does get more exposure because people commenting on the shitty censoring creates engagement that the algorithm values.
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betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 350d
I'm envious of OOP, they found a fun-looking randomly-generated side quest with a cute magical creature.
kalapala@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 349d
Also quite a quest to learn to speak a dog to make that call.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 349d
I can speak a little dog but it doesn't work very well over the phone. Once I know a pup well enough (i.e. at least a hand-sniff and some petting/belly-rubs so we each have some indication that the other is friendly), it's fun to imitate the "play bow" and see how they respond. I figure if they can go to the trouble of learning to understand their human-assigned names and the typical assortment of dog-words, the least I can do is try to invite them to play in their own body language.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
And they lie for fake points. Weird.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
This is !dogs＠lemmy.world, not !detectives＠lemmy.world. Don't worry about it.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 349d
Get bent.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
What's up with the unwarranted hostility?
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 348d
Don't tell me how to react to anything.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 348d
k.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 33 pts · 349d
I see a bright future ahead when people try to censor dog tags.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 349d
Advertisers are a bitch
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 349d
Weird way to say sacrifice fodder.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 349d
Self censorship makes me feel like this is a made up, BS story posted by someone for internet clout.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 349d
Self censorship?
Did I not read Fuck and Shit in the dog tag?
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 349d
Nope, the little yellow line makes it completely unreadable.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 348d
Or it's their own dog
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 349d
Total BS
Mikrochip@feddit.org · 18 pts · 349d
Am I the only one who finds it really weird when people refer to themselves as mom or dad of their pets? Yikes
dwindling7373@feddit.it · 18 pts · 349d
Fun fact: every dog have, in fact, a real mom that's actually a dog and their separation was most likely non consensual.
StopSpazzing@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
What a bitch.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 349d
Yes
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 349d
No..
I have pets and I find it weird.
spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 349d
Do you also feel uncomfortable when people use the words adopt and foster when it comes to pets? They're also child-related words but I feel like those aren't as controversial to people.
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 349d
Because those words are not just for children.
Like early-adopters is about new technology. And fostering can be about pride.
But mom and dad is only in relation to a child in a family. Never a pet.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 349d
It is about a pet quite often, hence this discussion...
Sc00ter@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 349d
Father of invention
Mother of dragons
Freud is regarded as the "father of psychiatry" and Aristotle as the "father of biology." Plenty of people who invented or had significant contributions to their field are considered "father/mother"
Lightor@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d
Never a pet? Isn't the thing that they were annoyed about, that it always happens with pets?
spamfajitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 349d
Good point. What if the word was mother or father instead of mom and dad? There are definitely more generalized uses of that, like fatherland or mother nature.
smh@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 349d
It's also off-putting when veterinary staff do it. I get that it's easier than remembering the human client's name, but I'm not my dog's mom, for several reasons:
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 349d
I know vet techs who would love it if you introduced yourself as your dogs's half nephew. That's hilarious.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 349d
Vet tech got real pissy because I said my cat was more of a lazy roommate.
I'm not the father. It did not come out of me.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
well okay that one time she decided to put her head in my mouth doesn't count
smh@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 349d
My dogs were not siblings of each other. They were roommates forced together by circumstances.
smh@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 349d
"Hi, I'm here with Elvis. He's my half-uncle on my mom's side."
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 349d
I prefer it to “owner”
smh@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 349d
I like "human". I'll ask strange dogs at the dog park "where is your human?"
I do similar to strange children that look lost at the grocery store--"where is your grown-up?" (I don't want to assume their family structure, and an adult talking to them usually causes them to dash back to their adult. Doesn't work the same way with dogs, tbh.)
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 349d
I like Human as well. I think I’d use that over mum/dad/owner
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 349d
First off, it's "Lord of the House, first in his name".
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 349d
I adopted my cat in her old age. She's...someteen years old. I don't actually know, her known history starts when she, an adult cat, followed my cousin's dog in through the dog door and demanded tuna. Like 13 years later my cousin passed away and I had room for her now ownerless cat.
I did no parenting to this cat. I am more a pillow than a parent to Izzy. I am her caretaker, she is dependent on me for her food, water and safety, but she isn't a child, and I didn't raise her.
smh@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 348d
I feel the same about my 17yo pup (inherited from my grandma because I was best suited to take in a second dog). He's a really needy old man roommate:
banazir@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 349d
I always find it really off-putting.
Soleos@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 349d
It is weird for the traditional view of pets as property, beasts of labour, ornaments, or other living in-person. However recent decades has seen a popular shift towards treating select sentient animals (experience emotions) with some degree of sapience (reasoning/higher cognition), like cats and dogs, as people. Humans treat them as individual persons with their own subjective experience, desires, and lives worth living.
So when a human adopts a non-human animal under this view, they are also taking on the responsibility to care for the animal's needs and we'll-being, not just for what the animal provides the human (as would be the case of a beast of burden) but primarily for the sake of the animal's own worthwhile life--the human takes on a guardianship/parental role. This is why people are more and more being referred to as mom/dad/parent of their pet. More and more people are adopting animals as non-human children. Vets like to enforce it because it reduces animal cruelty and makes people more likely to do basic care.
This isn't to say many farmers don't try to give their animals a good life or recognize them as feeling beings with their own personality. They do, but not to the same degree as treating a pet as a non-human child.
Mikrochip@feddit.org · 2 pts · 348d
Honestly, that doesn't make it much better. I always viewed the cats my family used to have as family members, but they were anything but children.
The way @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works put it captures it quite nicely. They rely on their owners for certain things, but they are not children and their personalities do not match that.
Referring to them a such gives me the ick because a) it infantilizes beings which, well, simply aren't children, b) at the same time humanizes them too much. And, paradoxically, c) makes me think of the kind of people who carry dogs around in their handbags and essentially treat them more like plushies rather than actual living beings. Just doesn't sit right with me.
Soleos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 348d
I think the objection to the term is fine, you don't have to see yourself as a parent or your pet as your kids. It's an imperfect analogy for familial closeness and caregiving role--im sure other terms have their advantages. I was more suggesting an explanation for why it makes sense for some people, especially those who adopt puppies. After all, parents to human children stay parents regardless of the children's age... Which gets to the semantic hiccup behind this disagreement, there are two usages of child, one usage denotes familial relationship and social role, and one denotes age. I'm not a child, but I am the child of my parents.
Words are socially constructed, develop new meanings, and vary between cultures. Pet parent might be a new definition distinct from biological parent. Some people feel comfortable calling every family friend of their parents' generation auntie/uncle and others find it weird because it defies their blood-relation conception of the term. That's okay. Live and Let live.
Though, I think comparing the analogy of pets as children to treating pets as plushies says more about how you view children than anything :P
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 349d
In that case, we already have words for people who are owned and sold as property. She's the dog's master.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 349d
No, it's weird.
And009@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 349d
Until you have pets who care.
Honytawk@feddit.nl · -1 pts · 349d
Extremely.
I just suspect they have about the same IQ as their pet if they say stuff like that.
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 349d
this post is fucking great its truly the fucking shit
fucking edit: fucking shit spelling
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 349d
Fuck shit
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 349d
Didn't think dogs would carry cellphones.
How would you call a dog?
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 349d
...whistle?
acockworkorange@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 349d
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 349d
Why does this place lose it over censoring of curse words every damn time lol. It’s a f*cking word and the writer has a right to do whatever the fuck they choose when they write.
Heck half the time they look like they’re censored in a way to avoid being banned from uploading due to curse words.
To be abundantly clear, you freaks overreact on this topic every damn time. If I was into rage bait this place would be a damn gold mine. Y’all must have blessed lives if this is what you get your kn*ckers in a twist over.
Sent from my Windows Phone. 😉
otacon239@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 349d
Oh boy it’s that time again!
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 349d
You can also say f*ck on the internet. My prerogative to say what I want.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 349d
I just wonder who does it. The poster? Is it because of moral reasons? Is it because they want to profit off this shitty meme and are smart enough to know they cant monetize it? Are they originally posting on some forum with strict curse word rules? Is it an automated system that does it? Is it ragebait? I have so many questions regarding this practice.
I think its reposters, fishing for memes and cleaning them up to fill up a shitty facebook group that they then monetize. People then pick it up from them and post here.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 349d
There’s too many mother uckers, ucking with my shi.
silasmariner@programming.dev · 2 pts · 349d
With my balance shi
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 349d
Because OP (not here) wants to get the post exposed and swear words are not advertiser friendly which will get it deprioritized from the algorithm
zeca@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 348d
The algorithm can recogbize those "censored" words just fine. But the post does get more exposure because people commenting on the shitty censoring creates engagement that the algorithm values.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 348d
ew censorship
downvote
vaionko@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 347d
That censorship was so shit I had to zoom in to notice lol
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 349d
That looks like the hiking trail they keep going to in Doom Patrol, that is blatantly right next to the car park.