He added about Kirk, “He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”
It's well informed while being the mildest take imaginable. Doesn't condone violence, doesn't do a victory lap, just ever so gently connects one dot to another.
I would sack someone for using the phrase 'sort of' that often though.
I'm sure the sort of was cuz he knew he'd get in trouble for stating the obvious and was trying to hedge his language. Like "I didn't def say x cause y, just that it maybe kind of did".
Never use any nbc. They may position themselves as Democrats, but they are the Democrats that have led us to nominate three awful presidential candidates that have allowed this Republican party to achieve what might now be absolute power soon. They've made no secret of their plans to kill the Republican all but name and we still refused to nominate candidates that could save the Republic and stop them.
This media is the enemy and has been, even if somewhat separate from the enemy controlling the federal government.
The Democrats' stated party strategy, after putting their heads together following the most recent L - is to go more hardcore center. Try to peel votes from Trump by going a little more right. I shit you not, this is what they took away from the last election, about why they lost and what to do about it.
Democrats are not going to save us.
(though I acknowledge that for now someone actually decent basically has to pose as a Democrat for any hope of success)
It's incredible that the fellow got fired over such a truthful and insightful comment.
I was in the US in my late teens, and one thing I realized almost straight away was how shallow American polemics about any socio-political topics were. American "free speech" polemics (among all other polemics) to me seemed like an attempt to act out and engage in theatrics that had nothing to do with the concept of free speech (which is actually an extremely complicated and nuanced topics).
There is a silver lining to this, I think at least some people (on the margin) might stop treating local polemics as undeniable truth.
He didn't say anything untrue. Charlie Kirk himself said that gun violence is an acceptable consequence of maintaining everyone's 2nd amendment rights. This is the environment he advocated for. This is what killed him.
We live in a society where truth doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. You know they will spin this in such a way that they actually gain from it, be it by limiting your rights further or by lying to impressionable idiots who then vote for them.
Regardless, objective truth as a marker has lost all its relevance somewhere after 2016.
No we live in a society where the truth is actively suppressed because wealthy people fear the population realizing they are badly losing a class war due to being tricked into a culture war. Kirk was a culture warrior. Any sort of consensus amongst the various factions is very bad for the owner class, and what he said might lead to an awakening, a la Luigi. What Dowd said risks that awakening.
“He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”
Still run by billionaires after all. Can't be upsetting any portion of your gross profits, even if they are complete snowflake morons who support a white supremacist.
What the fuck. He was asked about the environment we're in and he said he always believed that hateful thoughts lead to hate words which lead to hateful actions. So we can't be surprised that when we have hate thought and hateful words that we see hateful actions.
How did he condone political violence?!? He just answered the fucking question!
I want you to know they can’t see that, the supporters of Kirk and his kind. They see some weird golden reality where a father and man of God was assassinated by the left.
To them he was a Guardian of society and tradition, giving his time up to connect with the youth in honest discussion.
They for whatever reason cannot see it as him being hateful, to them their golden boy died. Or at least that’s what they will pretend to believe.
Some people fail to see policy as violence. They view it as civilized, even when its outcomes are suffering and death. They then view resistance to that policy as violence. You’re supposed to do things the “right way” and change the policy by voting like a civilized person. Conveniently, that doesn’t work, so you’re always forced into being the bad guy if you have a soul and want to stop hurting people.
Sure. Those people are going to misinterpret his statement as, "He got what he deserved", but the fucking company has to know that's not what he did! Its not like the people criticizing him are MSNBC viewers, so from a pure business view, there's nothing to lose by just being like, "He answer a question and never once called for violence. Go away."
The other factions of fascists own this media, the repub partisan fascists are taking over the long game of big biz to kill the republic in all but name.
Let us all come together and condemn violence of any kind.
Oh, get fucked dude.
Saying this as groups are forcibly rounded up by masked police, and a police state is being created in DC, among other increasing intolerance and hate.
The large media companies are owned by broad commercial interests and indeed the enemy of working people however they try to position themselves, but the other Factor at play here is the right is trying to subordinate them further and accuses them of bias at every opportunity and they cave to the pressure. Not the least as they can step on their other myriad commercial interests for not caving as we saw with Colbert recently.
Caving to the pressure it will only make it worse though.
Or anywhere. Freedom of speech is about the government not restricting your speech. It has nothing to do with private relationships.
I tried this once with an ex and apparently there's nothing the government can do to force gf's to stay with you after you call them a dumb cunt ;/. Who knew?
Meanwhile, every instance of something horrifying happening to a Democrat is featured on Fox News with Tucker Carlson squinting angrily into the camera saying it was all their fault, and he hopes it happens again.
I mean it is valuable, I guess, to maintain some standards of non violence even when "they" are not. I'm just saying the double standard is relevant.
Political analyst Matthew Dowd on MSNBC wonders whether the Charlie Kirk shooting may have been “a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration.”
Well... holy shit man. You can't say that on TV, even about a bad person.
Meanwhile every right-wing commentator on every right wing media outlet is calling for blood and wants to murder and incarcerate anyone just to the left of the Kaiser.
60 Comments
return2ozma@lemmy.world · 229 pts · 335d
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 159 pts · 335d
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world · 107 pts · 335d
It's well informed while being the mildest take imaginable. Doesn't condone violence, doesn't do a victory lap, just ever so gently connects one dot to another.
I would sack someone for using the phrase 'sort of' that often though.
Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 335d
Runaway@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 334d
I'm sure the sort of was cuz he knew he'd get in trouble for stating the obvious and was trying to hedge his language. Like "I didn't def say x cause y, just that it maybe kind of did".
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 334d
I'd have done no better, I'm not broadcast ready at all and I'd have been nervous as hell. Just being a snerky jerky internet person, don't mind me
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 98 pts · 335d
THAT getting him fired so immediately is all the proof anyone should ever need to never trust commentators from MSNBC again.
hector@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 334d
Never use any nbc. They may position themselves as Democrats, but they are the Democrats that have led us to nominate three awful presidential candidates that have allowed this Republican party to achieve what might now be absolute power soon. They've made no secret of their plans to kill the Republican all but name and we still refused to nominate candidates that could save the Republic and stop them.
This media is the enemy and has been, even if somewhat separate from the enemy controlling the federal government.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 334d
The Democrats' stated party strategy, after putting their heads together following the most recent L - is to go more hardcore center. Try to peel votes from Trump by going a little more right. I shit you not, this is what they took away from the last election, about why they lost and what to do about it.
Democrats are not going to save us.
(though I acknowledge that for now someone actually decent basically has to pose as a Democrat for any hope of success)
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 335d
Hilarious that someone putting the truth out there gets canned.
Skiluros@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 334d
It's incredible that the fellow got fired over such a truthful and insightful comment.
I was in the US in my late teens, and one thing I realized almost straight away was how shallow American polemics about any socio-political topics were. American "free speech" polemics (among all other polemics) to me seemed like an attempt to act out and engage in theatrics that had nothing to do with the concept of free speech (which is actually an extremely complicated and nuanced topics).
There is a silver lining to this, I think at least some people (on the margin) might stop treating local polemics as undeniable truth.
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 12 pts · 335d
MSNBC are just deferring to The Idiot.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 334d
Where’s the lie?
Taldan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
And just like that, the right loves cancel culture
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 179 pts · 335d
He didn't say anything untrue. Charlie Kirk himself said that gun violence is an acceptable consequence of maintaining everyone's 2nd amendment rights. This is the environment he advocated for. This is what killed him.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 335d
We live in a society where truth doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. You know they will spin this in such a way that they actually gain from it, be it by limiting your rights further or by lying to impressionable idiots who then vote for them.
Regardless, objective truth as a marker has lost all its relevance somewhere after 2016.
Xanthobilly@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 335d
No we live in a society where the truth is actively suppressed because wealthy people fear the population realizing they are badly losing a class war due to being tricked into a culture war. Kirk was a culture warrior. Any sort of consensus amongst the various factions is very bad for the owner class, and what he said might lead to an awakening, a la Luigi. What Dowd said risks that awakening.
ook@discuss.tchncs.de · 22 pts · 335d
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 335d
His last word, was violence.
He litterally got popped saying the like "but what about gang violence" while defending school shootings and mass shooter access to fire arms.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 165 pts · 334d
“He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in.”
Was he wrong?
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 334d
No but he wasn't let go because of that remark.
He was let go for this
That's what kicked of the uproar by snowflake Republicans and their Pearl clutching.
JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 334d
I mean it's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. He should get flack for how patentedly stupid that comment was. But probably not fired.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 334d
I completely agree. But I'm not a billionaire running a cable "news" outlet that can't let a single dollar go away.
sploosh@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 334d
Jesus christ that man is a great comedian.
gi1242@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 334d
Fluffy_Ruffs@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 334d
No, it was the “a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration.” line that upset people.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 334d
Here we have it, y'all. The leftmost TV news channel.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 334d
Still run by billionaires after all. Can't be upsetting any portion of your gross profits, even if they are complete snowflake morons who support a white supremacist.
calliope@retrolemmy.com · 19 pts · 334d
Corporate media has always been complicit.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world · 116 pts · 335d
What the fuck. He was asked about the environment we're in and he said he always believed that hateful thoughts lead to hate words which lead to hateful actions. So we can't be surprised that when we have hate thought and hateful words that we see hateful actions.
How did he condone political violence?!? He just answered the fucking question!
Kalothar@piefed.social · 46 pts · 335d
I want you to know they can’t see that, the supporters of Kirk and his kind. They see some weird golden reality where a father and man of God was assassinated by the left.
To them he was a Guardian of society and tradition, giving his time up to connect with the youth in honest discussion.
They for whatever reason cannot see it as him being hateful, to them their golden boy died. Or at least that’s what they will pretend to believe.
Jtotheb@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 334d
Some people fail to see policy as violence. They view it as civilized, even when its outcomes are suffering and death. They then view resistance to that policy as violence. You’re supposed to do things the “right way” and change the policy by voting like a civilized person. Conveniently, that doesn’t work, so you’re always forced into being the bad guy if you have a soul and want to stop hurting people.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
Sure. Those people are going to misinterpret his statement as, "He got what he deserved", but the fucking company has to know that's not what he did! Its not like the people criticizing him are MSNBC viewers, so from a pure business view, there's nothing to lose by just being like, "He answer a question and never once called for violence. Go away."
Instead, they fire him.
_chris@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 335d
We really gotta stop appeasing the fascists.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 334d
Unfortunately, the fascists own the media.
hector@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 334d
The other factions of fascists own this media, the repub partisan fascists are taking over the long game of big biz to kill the republic in all but name.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 61 pts · 334d
He was right and lost his job over it
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
Not unusual in this timeline. Check the news about the head of the Department of Labor Statistics.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip · 60 pts · 334d
Oh, get fucked dude.
Saying this as groups are forcibly rounded up by masked police, and a police state is being created in DC, among other increasing intolerance and hate.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 334d
I mean clearly, multiple right wing commentators and leaders that are literally calling for the murder of anyone on the left is not a problem at all.
Cargon@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 334d
I actually developed a bit of respect for Chuckles after this event. He died for his beliefs. Wish more Republicans would.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 333d
By no choice of his own. No way he would have chosen this. Nothing to respect.
Cargon@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 333d
I think you may have missed the joke.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 333d
Yeah, he didn't think he'd be held accountable in his wildest dreams. I guess he thought if Alex Jones didn't get shot, he wouldn't either.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 333d
They're welcome to die for other reasons too.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
Unfortunately for him he's still not welcome in Valhalla as they hold a "no nazis" rule
ChonkyLincoln@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 334d
Proof the media is corrupt and owned by the evil empire
hector@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 334d
The large media companies are owned by broad commercial interests and indeed the enemy of working people however they try to position themselves, but the other Factor at play here is the right is trying to subordinate them further and accuses them of bias at every opportunity and they cave to the pressure. Not the least as they can step on their other myriad commercial interests for not caving as we saw with Colbert recently.
Caving to the pressure it will only make it worse though.
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 334d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxtkvG1JnPk
0li0li@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 335d
Wronful dismissal lawsuit bud; make them regret their move!
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 335d
You're of course right, but he already folded and apologized before they fired him.
Unless he can PROVE (what we all know) that the apology was a coerced lie, he probably doesn't have a case, sadly.
mcbenavides85@piefed.social · 25 pts · 335d
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 335d
Something about a good guy with a gun or something?
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 334d
Free speech. What?
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 334d
That's not how free speech works there.
mikesizachrist@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 334d
Or anywhere. Freedom of speech is about the government not restricting your speech. It has nothing to do with private relationships.
I tried this once with an ex and apparently there's nothing the government can do to force gf's to stay with you after you call them a dumb cunt ;/. Who knew?
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 334d
mikesizachrist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 334d
Idk, she knew that the 1st amendment is about what the government restricting speech, so i was the dumb bitch in this case
Garbagio@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 334d
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 20 pts · 335d
Meanwhile, every instance of something horrifying happening to a Democrat is featured on Fox News with Tucker Carlson squinting angrily into the camera saying it was all their fault, and he hopes it happens again.
I mean it is valuable, I guess, to maintain some standards of non violence even when "they" are not. I'm just saying the double standard is relevant.
Well... holy shit man. You can't say that on TV, even about a bad person.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 334d
Meanwhile, Greg Gutfeld still has a job after this.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 334d
one is at fox and one is at nbc
masta_chief@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 335d
Streisand effect time? Gonna follow this person now.
whiwake@lemmy.cafe · 16 pts · 335d
I’m cracking up
lemmylump@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 333d
Fuck all network news. They're all billionaires bullshit.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 333d
Meanwhile every right-wing commentator on every right wing media outlet is calling for blood and wants to murder and incarcerate anyone just to the left of the Kaiser.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
The comment about the supporter shooting the gun in celebration was slightly inappropriate. Everything else is spot on.
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social · -1 pts · 334d