This means that the proposal has once again been blocked. Wouldn't have expected that from our government TBH. Nice one!
Germany is not supporting chat control
https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/115184350819592476
https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/115184350819592476
This means that the proposal has once again been blocked. Wouldn't have expected that from our government TBH. Nice one!
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TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world · 150 pts · 335d
Some good fucking news.
See you guys next year to push it back again.
hector@lemmy.today · 47 pts · 335d
Maybe you should force referendums forbidding it and like mass warrantless surveillance including using data broker info without oversight.
Petition signatures demanding one, might take a bit but it is the only way to stop them. Short of electing better reps. Somehow that is not possible anywhere in the west on balance though.
TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 335d
You know what, you're right. Given the state of things we are far beyond just being reactive to that shit and have to proactively stop it. I'm sure there are already efforts in that direction, I'll look into it.
iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
Or forcing the proponents of these reforms to reveal themselves. AFAIK they're proposing this crap to hit on everyone's privacy while keeping their own identities anonymous.
Melchior@feddit.org · 4 pts · 335d
EU Constitution with a proper Bill of Rights of some sort including not being spied on by the government, unless permitted by a court or something similar.
Baked86@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
We already have it, they want to take it away ,The European Union recognizes privacy as a human right through two main legal instruments: the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union and the European Convention on Human Rights. The Charter's Article 7
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
Then they'll just create secret courts, which will permit carte blanche spying en mass.
richardwonka@mas.to · 3 pts · 335d
@hector the masses are too easily driven to bad decisions out of fear.
Just consider the power of junk like the Sun, Bild and other rage-fear-and-misinformation “news” outlets.
hector@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 335d
Idk with a little organization we could easily drive that fear towards our own ends, protecting us from government and organized groups didn't even more of our info.
Here in the United States we have achieved a number of things through referendums that our politicians would never do.
Like legalizing marijuana, my state of Michigan we ended gerrymandering by giving the drawing of legislative districts to an independent body as Arizona did before.
We have enshrined voting rights into the state constitution. Raised the minimum wage, although the lawmakers did rat fuck that through a quirk of our system that allows them to vote it in after it gets approved for the ballot but they cut the cost of living adjustment out of it.
A loophole we are trying to close but that effort got rat fucked as well so far.
We are working on ranked Choice voting right now.
Eq0@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 335d
😩
sp3ctre@feddit.org · 75 pts · 335d
Don't get tired. They will absolutely come again.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 31 pts · 335d
It is tiring and frustrating to know that it'll more than likely be back. At this point, we need a law that makes sure that this kind of surveillance is never legal. But the hurdles for that are unfortunately way higher than just getting a blocking minority.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 71 pts · 335d
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 333d
Anyone who doesn't reflexively proclaim DATENSCHUTZ!!! at this, isn't a true German.
Greddan@feddit.org · 68 pts · 335d
pmk@lemmy.sdf.org · 26 pts · 335d
Unfortunately our social democrats are in favor of chat control too, it was Ylva Johanssons idea to begin with.
Greddan@feddit.org · 14 pts · 335d
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 334d
Hope you guys don’t develope an Americanized healthcare system
stray@pawb.social · 4 pts · 334d
I fear that's exactly what's happening, little by little. The rich put themselves in the private services and let the public ones go to shit.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 333d
A tale as old as time. Perhaps we ought to limit maximum wealth 👀
Melchior@feddit.org · 62 pts · 335d
Something good coming from this government? I can not believe it.
BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 335d
I was thinking: Something good finally came of DDR and Stasi.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
They also made great glassware
jjpamsterdam@feddit.org · 52 pts · 335d
I really didn't think this German government was going to oppose chat control. Well, apparently even the broken clock is right every once in a while.
makyo@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 335d
Apparently datenschutz is still a unifying issue
jjpamsterdam@feddit.org · 9 pts · 335d
In Germany we schütz Daten, not Menschen. At least that's what my German co-worker used to say during our project to become GDPR compliant.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 334d
And we don't even really schütz Daten, anyway.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 335d
Well it's what you get when you decide to instill democratic values in every school child for decades. Perhaps we should make note of that?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 334d
Someone tell the AfD, its voters and the conservative politicians who are so intrigued by their policies.
Resol@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 335d
The EU made some great decisions. Chat control is NOT one of them.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 335d
Wait huh? That is unexpected
eigenspace@feddit.org · 17 pts · 335d
If you were paying attention it shouldn't be surprising. Privacy is the sort of thing that Germans generally get very worked up about.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 335d
I am german i know how high it is in germany. BUT german politicians are also constantly pushing for chat control. Especially the ruling partys SPD, CDU and CSU.
Axel Voss, the idea and guy behind article 13 SPD minister presidents and MPs constantly advocate and want chat control So the CDU and CSU "to controll and protect against pedos and terrorists"
Vincent@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 335d
Wasn't Germany also opposed the two previous times it was proposed?
Gamechanger@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 335d
Very different goverment. Middle-left vs. middle-extreme right.
Vincent@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 334d
Still had SPD in it, no? And FDP.
genfood@feddit.org · 10 pts · 335d
Yes, but…. Our government don’t care about what the people in Germany want. Nit even the people in Germany care about what the people in Germany want…
Eq0@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 335d
But weren’t they undecided at first?
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 4 pts · 335d
They were undecided at first
khannie@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 335d
Nice!!!
oplkill@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 335d
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 335d
I dont like the current german goverment but in this case they did the right thing. Good on them.
visnae@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 335d
You mean the left thing, because parties on the right usually like surveillance 🤣
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 4 pts · 335d
The German Afd was against it though. They may be nazi scum, but I can't shit on them on this particular topic.
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 335d
I am 100% sure that the fascists will implement stuff way way worse once they manage to get into power.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 334d
They are against it because they need to use Signal to coordinate nazi activities.
Once they get in government, they'll want the backdoors to keep themselves in power.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 335d
Yet again in recent history Germany saves us from our incompetent wannabe fascist leaders.
leriotdelac@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 335d
Yay Deutschland! 💪
Ontimp@feddit.org · 13 pts · 335d
Halleluja
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 335d
German politicians are actually pulling some Ws. Even vdL made some good moves last week.
Good to see, maybe we'll get somewhere.
emmanuel_car@fedia.io · 4 pts · 335d
Yeah, not happy about the move to make medicinal cannabis more restrictive, but this is a win at least.
Baked86@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 335d
Great news!
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 335d
The dacia sandero?
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 335d
It's finally coming to England.
Do you remember when Clarkson finally just gave May a Sandero? Only to destroy it after a single drive
100@fedia.io · 8 pts · 335d
i got the impression that germans dont like the government snooping on them (stasi...) so they would never support these proposals in the first place?
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 16 pts · 335d
Generally yes, there's always a lot of opposition to these kind of proposals in Germany. But the biggest party in power right now is known for its many attempts to massively increase surveillance.
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 335d
And the fascist polling in second place would shred all our civil liberties in no time.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 334d
Neutral shouldn't be in the same as against imo.
nuko147@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 335d
The proposed EU Chat Control law is a threat to our democracy. What can you do to prevent it?
makyo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 335d
I sometimes wonder if there's something we could be getting behind to tip the scales the other way. It would be wonderful not to have to wait for this to show its ugly head again and instead have the pro-surveilance people on their heels trying to stop a pro-privacy movement.
RedPandaRaider@feddit.org · 5 pts · 335d
Actively not supporting it or just not issuing any statement?
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 17 pts · 335d
Actively not supporting it, at least in its current iteration.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org · 14 pts · 335d
That's the important part here.
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org · 3 pts · 335d
Dobrindt is gonna hate this. Nice!
Adler180@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Woah best news I've read today, that's awesome.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 335d
Why is there almost a north vs south divide?
oliver@lemmy.pifferi.io · 1 pts · 306d
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · -8 pts · 335d
Deutschland über Alles!
Ibuthyr@feddit.org · 10 pts · 335d
Bruh...
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 1 pts · 333d
National anthem?
Ibuthyr@feddit.org · 1 pts · 332d
Hasn't been part of it for a long time... For very good reasons. Let's not bring it back please. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sing that verse in Germany and I'd rather have it stay that way.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 1 pts · 331d
Really? I was unaware. I apologize
Ibuthyr@feddit.org · 1 pts · 331d
Sorry for sounding so harsh, I thought this was common knowledge but I appear to be mistaken. That verse was sung under the Nazi regime and essentially puts Germany above every other country and thing in the world. And that was Hitler's goal after all.
We stick with "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche Vaterland" since the end of WW2.