I am quite conflicted. On the one hand this is extraordinarily bad for American democracy, but there is a feeling in me that said democracy farce at this point.
I also believe that this will justify further violence from the right towards lgbt/left/immigrants etc. But would that happen anyway?
I wouldn't say it's bad for democracy. If anything, it reveals how damaged democracy already is in the US. At face value this isn't any worse than students being murdered in school shootings or (democrat) politicians being murdered. Don't get me wrong, that's all terrible but reacting only to this event reveals that the MAGAs were only waiting for any excuse to do whatever they're going to do now.
Man, this deservedly dead guyâs child is gonna become the 3000 year old worm retrospectively living in RFKjrs brain because thatâs how dumb reality is now.
Yeah, that's what I'm referring to as well. If one sentence doesn't make sense on its own, then it shouldn't have a period at the end. Maybe complex sentences are too difficult for some people...
Don't be violent against people you disagree with politically. That's not going to help anything, that's only going to validate what they've been saying all this time
Kirk believed LGBTQ+ deserved to be stoned to death, that women should be subservient breeding cattle, blacks had insufficient brain power to be leaders in our society and that the civil rights act was a mistake, children being murdered was worthwhile so that God could grant people rights, empathy was made up woke bullshit.
Are those the "politics" you're referring to? If those are your "politics" you might want to buy a neckguard.
These are all referring to direct quotes he made over his long career of pushing fascist idealogy, it is not some secret how big of a piece of shit he was or what he was about, as much as MAGA is putting in work it make it seem so. Turning Point was a group that sought to make a modern day Hitler youth by targeting vulnerable and malleable minds by pushing this vitriol at school events.
If you're not just some fascist troll, which I highly doubt because the phrasing you used is identical to phrasing I've seen on multiple sites from people/bots trying to whitewash this nazi fuck, you should have no issue verifying the veracity of my statement.
I significantly doubt killing Charlie Kirk of all people is going to effect change. At least, it's not going to be positive change.
The right is emboldened greatly by every situation like this. Yes, they've just been looking for an excuse and would be horrible anyway, but this accelerates things by giving them more definitive cover.
They're already making shit up about evidence of "trans and leftist stuff" carved into the bullets or casings (tabloids and the WSJ have run with this) when there's no actual proof.
Turning Point USA will stumble for a bit while they find a new talking head capable of carrying their bullshit platform, but there's a glut of right wing influencers (and people willing to play one for money) that will fill the gap.
Also, he was shot in front of his kids. They're already fucked up enough having him as a dad without seeing him catch a bullet in front of them and die.
Look, I've got no tears to shed for this balloon headed ass. But this is not a victory. Even if you support the idea of using violence to achieve change, this was a piss poor target.
Ben Shapiro cancelled an event he was going to do today. It seems to me like the moment these fascist fucks feel like they could be in danger for the hateful shit they spew they cower in fear. They are keyboard warriors that don't realize that people can do a lot more than say hurtful things when you do that in public.
He cancelled one event? Holy shit the world is healed!
You aren't wrong that these people are cowards.
But Luigi didn't change health insurance. It pushed one bad move from a former United Healthcare exec back but didn't stop it, and now there's proposed kickbacks for AI companies whenever their AI denies medicare or medicaid coverage.
There is so damn much broken and I understand the sheer desperation, but lone vigilantes carrying out sporadic and infrequent assassinations with poor target choices are not going to cause long term positive change.
Arguably if the speed was increased it might get results, but I think it'd just be more likely that they'd burn some of their stupid amounts of money on more security and stuff like popemobile booths.
At the end of the day the US populace can't provide meaningful resistance to the full might of our military industrial complex, if things were to ever get that far. And I don't think that our currenr administration would have any issues misusing our military for protection of these assholes.
So we have to organize. If we truly want to overwhelm the military, we'd need to overwhelm them with literal piles of bodies.
If we want to attempt less bloodshed and lives lost, which I would hope most people would want, than we still need to organize and put up a strong front while turning their "allies on the ground" to our side. That means that yes, we need to start doing more concentrated effort to turn our asshole republican neighbors instead of just shunning them. Start sharing techniques and talking points for slowly turning folks, build up your tolerance so you can spend time in their presence slowly dropping the seeds because changing people's minds takes time.
On the other end, start pulling normal people currently just voting Democrat into more action like showing up to city council votes, into community service and support organizations, and make sure that we're broadcasting these public goods well and with good branding. Increase engagement across the board.
Do like the "best" Christian groups do and just do unimpeachable good loudly while quietly wearing the affiliation on your sleeve to draw people in, then turn them when they already see you as a good person doing good things.
None of these techniques are new, especially in the Christian church. We just need to fight the feelings of hopelessness, isolation, and the "well your idea of better isn't my exact idea of better" purity test bullshit you see from people online who for example won't be satisfied until the end of capitalism entirely... so that we present a united front as a force for general good.
You think the issues with your health insurance is Obamacare? Whatever brother we're here to help. Eventually down the line we'll start steering you right once we've built that relationship. You're homeschooling your kids to avoid the woke, but need assistance in a subject you can't teach them? We're here to help. Eventually we'll start steering you right.
It's exhausting, time consuming work. But it does work for changing hearts and minds.
Surely you understand that through violence the most violent people will rise to power Thats what happened in russia that became the ussr, china that became the ccpâŚ
Objectively untrue for china from every perspective and is only briefly kinda true for russia; as serfs were freed but after Stalins takeover as the lands were took back and people were legally required to work
And the 1776 revolution would be not comparable in any way for the violence OP called for as the upper class led that revolution!
So you think that revolutions are only acceptable when the rich do it? The industrialization of Russia and China were probably the largest movement of impoverished people to relative stability in human history.
No, the us revolution resulted in much much different issues many persisting to this day like the inherent undemocratic system your lot clings to! But the power was distributed to the point where not one person could grab for it. Not that some didnât want to have George Washington as a kingâŚ
Do you guys just make semi random statements? Industrialization did not raise Russian living standard at all! In the short term it decreased it and in the long term, compared to say Taiwan, progressed incomparably worse
It must be so easy being an anti communist, you can just make up whatever completely baseless claims you like and apparently expect people to believe them
According to meriam webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectively) objectively is defined as: âin an objective rather than subjective or biased way : with a basis in observable facts rather than feelings or opinionsâ; according to which I used the word correctly!
Kinda sad that after being called out for spouting baseless nonsense you come up with a âno youâ with naming your group for their support and apparently randomly picking a word you donât understand, claiming it to be used wrongly to appear smarter⌠Kinda sad
If people are violent against you, you have the right to defend yourself. That guy constantly advocated for violence against trans people, among many other groups.
Why a trans person have to sit and wait to be beaten up to death for some guy indoctrinated by this guy? They may chose their own life over the ones that are on a path to killing them.
He just lived in the society he advocated for. He literally believed a shooting now and then was worth the right for everyone to have guns.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I â I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
Those are his own words from 2023.
Just because it happened to him doesn't mean it wasn't what he wanted. For all we know, he died blissfully knowing he received a God-given bullet.
So when people you disagree with politically, are kidnapping your loved ones, beating you up, killing people like you around you, you should... say: "I don't like that..." or...
If violence is used against you, you have a right to defend you with violence.
I'm sorry to say, but violent people don't care about you yelling "boo"... They just turn their attention against you, and use violence to silence you.
It's very impressive, that the violent people has brainwashed you to such a degree, that you let them be violent, and are willing to protect them from violence in response.
"Disagree with politically" is a wide brush: they are nazis and fascists.
Killing one of them causes a crackdown on political opponents, killing them all doesn't.
Paradox of tolerance and all that stuff.
Disagree with politically: should we build nuclear, do we pedestrianise the highstreet, how much funding should we give to public artwork
Fascist: oppressing or refusing the right to exist of groups of people, typically minorities. Often heard calling them rats or cockroaches which some of them have been doing this week.
Yeah, we all know the nazis only became fascists the day they killed their first victims. All those nazi propagandists and theorists were actually blameless because they didn't personally assault anyone publicly, which is famously the only form of violence.
Historically, all of them, depending on who you might be. Everyone who was close to Pol Pot said he was a really nice guy who was great at listening and understanding, turns out that didnât stop him from committing to a genocide.
Plenty liberal activists and innocent people have been killed by the work of right wing trolls; right wing politicians; lunatics; and the biggest organized crime syndicate to ever grace this planet of earth, known colloquially as âthe cops.â
Might be time for a shake up of whoâs violencing who, no?
Yeah! That's how we won WW2!! We told Hitler "hey you can't do that" and he was like "oh shit my bad i surrender!!" Lmao a fascist will never give up power willingly.
The hell you mean he argued for their free speech rights? He wanted LGBTQ+ people dead! Can't have any speech when you're in the grave as he's currently finding out.
if youâre taking about charlie kirk with that âcivil conversationâ bit, those conversations were using misleading half truths to publicly debate people he disagrees with in order to convert the people around said debate to his cause. i wouldnât call that civil⌠civil is healthy, truthful debate on the merits: not winning at all costs
People I like aren't billionaires and billionaires aren't people. They're what's wrong with humanity at this point in time. If there's a better way of getting rid of them, I'm all for it. But I'm not seeing any billionaires put to jail...
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mathemachristian@lemmy.ml · 45 pts · 357d
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Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 357d
Lead Medicine.
C1pher@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 357d
Every time I see this guy, I remember this.
floopus@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 357d
I am quite conflicted. On the one hand this is extraordinarily bad for American democracy, but there is a feeling in me that said democracy farce at this point.
I also believe that this will justify further violence from the right towards lgbt/left/immigrants etc. But would that happen anyway?
theneverfox@pawb.social · 29 pts · 357d
Political violence is a symptom, not a cause
We were already here. Lawmakers have already been killed. Just, no one took it seriously because the Democrats miss every moment
And yes, they were already invading Chicago. They were already calling to arrest political opponents. They were going to do it all anyways
excral@feddit.org · 11 pts · 357d
I wouldn't say it's bad for democracy. If anything, it reveals how damaged democracy already is in the US. At face value this isn't any worse than students being murdered in school shootings or (democrat) politicians being murdered. Don't get me wrong, that's all terrible but reacting only to this event reveals that the MAGAs were only waiting for any excuse to do whatever they're going to do now.
toothpaste_sand@lemy.nl · 1 pts · 357d
Yes, a bit of Reichstag fire vibes, huh? Here's hoping it won't be quite that bad, but it could happen...
VoxAliorum@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 357d
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 357d
I am not able to find arguments against such superiour logic.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 357d
Nope. Maybe guns are good in certain circumstances.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 357d
Is this image edited or is his face really that disproportionate to his head?
TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 357d
Nobody knows, but it's provocative.
Enzyoo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 357d
Well it is now
alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 357d
Reminds me of a classic German leftist joke: "If the RAF was so bad, then why is Schleier dead?"
(Wenn die RAF so schlecht war, warum ist Schleier dann tot?)
genevieve@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 356d
Wenn ist das NunstĂźck git und Slotermeyer?
Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
Donebrach@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d
Man, this deservedly dead guyâs child is gonna become the 3000 year old worm retrospectively living in RFKjrs brain because thatâs how dumb reality is now.
kamen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 357d
What's up with putting a period in the middle of a sentence?
Zink@programming.dev · 10 pts · 357d
If you zoom in, it looks like that thing is actually a messed up comma that barely has a tail. It's like the spork of punctuation!
toothpaste_sand@lemy.nl · 2 pts · 357d
Poor thing oughta be put down
kamen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 357d
Yep, I noticed that, but I've also noticed a lot of people doing this in writing. It's weird.
pupbiru@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 357d
honestly the text kinda looks like itâs AI generated⌠has weird kerning, things arenât quite right
WindAqueduct@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 357d
kamen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 357d
Yeah, that's what I'm referring to as well. If one sentence doesn't make sense on its own, then it shouldn't have a period at the end. Maybe complex sentences are too difficult for some people...
Asetru@feddit.org · 2 pts · 357d
cnlwhs@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 356d
edit: typo
bampop@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 356d
Only the good die young.
Prove me wrong.
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -72 pts · 358d
Don't be violent against people you disagree with politically. That's not going to help anything, that's only going to validate what they've been saying all this time
Tippy@sh.itjust.works · 46 pts · 358d
Kirk believed LGBTQ+ deserved to be stoned to death, that women should be subservient breeding cattle, blacks had insufficient brain power to be leaders in our society and that the civil rights act was a mistake, children being murdered was worthwhile so that God could grant people rights, empathy was made up woke bullshit.
Are those the "politics" you're referring to? If those are your "politics" you might want to buy a neckguard.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -10 pts · 358d
Have never heard of this guy before, you got a source?
Tippy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 357d
These are all referring to direct quotes he made over his long career of pushing fascist idealogy, it is not some secret how big of a piece of shit he was or what he was about, as much as MAGA is putting in work it make it seem so. Turning Point was a group that sought to make a modern day Hitler youth by targeting vulnerable and malleable minds by pushing this vitriol at school events.
If you're not just some fascist troll, which I highly doubt because the phrasing you used is identical to phrasing I've seen on multiple sites from people/bots trying to whitewash this nazi fuck, you should have no issue verifying the veracity of my statement.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -5 pts · 357d
Bruh god forbid people live outside the US, they must be Nazis!!!
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 356d
Go back to fucking reddit if you want this weak bullshit to work. "Oh wow you call everybody who defends nazis a nazi huh???"
Yes.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 356d
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 356d
Try google, thereâs no lack of documentation.
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 358d
Sometimes change can only happen through violence
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 358d
I significantly doubt killing Charlie Kirk of all people is going to effect change. At least, it's not going to be positive change.
The right is emboldened greatly by every situation like this. Yes, they've just been looking for an excuse and would be horrible anyway, but this accelerates things by giving them more definitive cover.
They're already making shit up about evidence of "trans and leftist stuff" carved into the bullets or casings (tabloids and the WSJ have run with this) when there's no actual proof.
Turning Point USA will stumble for a bit while they find a new talking head capable of carrying their bullshit platform, but there's a glut of right wing influencers (and people willing to play one for money) that will fill the gap.
Also, he was shot in front of his kids. They're already fucked up enough having him as a dad without seeing him catch a bullet in front of them and die.
Look, I've got no tears to shed for this balloon headed ass. But this is not a victory. Even if you support the idea of using violence to achieve change, this was a piss poor target.
BakerBagel@midwest.social · 31 pts · 358d
Ben Shapiro cancelled an event he was going to do today. It seems to me like the moment these fascist fucks feel like they could be in danger for the hateful shit they spew they cower in fear. They are keyboard warriors that don't realize that people can do a lot more than say hurtful things when you do that in public.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 356d
He cancelled one event? Holy shit the world is healed!
You aren't wrong that these people are cowards.
But Luigi didn't change health insurance. It pushed one bad move from a former United Healthcare exec back but didn't stop it, and now there's proposed kickbacks for AI companies whenever their AI denies medicare or medicaid coverage.
There is so damn much broken and I understand the sheer desperation, but lone vigilantes carrying out sporadic and infrequent assassinations with poor target choices are not going to cause long term positive change.
venusaur@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 358d
When the system doesnât work and people are desperate they take matters into their own hands. What else are you going to do?
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 356d
Organize. Lone vigilantes carrying out incredibly sporadic assassinations against poor target choices isn't going to make things better.
The Nepalese didn't overthrow their government by a couple of folks shooting a couple of folks spread out over months.
Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 358d
I could hang with accereated assassinations of facist politicians and they're cheerleaders.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 356d
Arguably if the speed was increased it might get results, but I think it'd just be more likely that they'd burn some of their stupid amounts of money on more security and stuff like popemobile booths.
At the end of the day the US populace can't provide meaningful resistance to the full might of our military industrial complex, if things were to ever get that far. And I don't think that our currenr administration would have any issues misusing our military for protection of these assholes.
So we have to organize. If we truly want to overwhelm the military, we'd need to overwhelm them with literal piles of bodies.
If we want to attempt less bloodshed and lives lost, which I would hope most people would want, than we still need to organize and put up a strong front while turning their "allies on the ground" to our side. That means that yes, we need to start doing more concentrated effort to turn our asshole republican neighbors instead of just shunning them. Start sharing techniques and talking points for slowly turning folks, build up your tolerance so you can spend time in their presence slowly dropping the seeds because changing people's minds takes time.
On the other end, start pulling normal people currently just voting Democrat into more action like showing up to city council votes, into community service and support organizations, and make sure that we're broadcasting these public goods well and with good branding. Increase engagement across the board.
Do like the "best" Christian groups do and just do unimpeachable good loudly while quietly wearing the affiliation on your sleeve to draw people in, then turn them when they already see you as a good person doing good things.
None of these techniques are new, especially in the Christian church. We just need to fight the feelings of hopelessness, isolation, and the "well your idea of better isn't my exact idea of better" purity test bullshit you see from people online who for example won't be satisfied until the end of capitalism entirely... so that we present a united front as a force for general good.
You think the issues with your health insurance is Obamacare? Whatever brother we're here to help. Eventually down the line we'll start steering you right once we've built that relationship. You're homeschooling your kids to avoid the woke, but need assistance in a subject you can't teach them? We're here to help. Eventually we'll start steering you right.
It's exhausting, time consuming work. But it does work for changing hearts and minds.
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 356d
Fool.
What are they going to do? Send the military into cities and brutalize people?
"Oh no! The fascists will froth if anyone retaliates!"
You might as well join them.
theUwUhugger@lemmy.world · -23 pts · 358d
Surely you understand that through violence the most violent people will rise to power Thats what happened in russia that became the ussr, china that became the ccpâŚ
Do you want the most violent in power?
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 358d
two bad examples. The populations of Russia and China were certainly better off after violent revolution. And of course, things got violent in 1776.
theUwUhugger@lemmy.world · -20 pts · 358d
Objectively untrue for china from every perspective and is only briefly kinda true for russia; as serfs were freed but after Stalins takeover as the lands were took back and people were legally required to work
And the 1776 revolution would be not comparable in any way for the violence OP called for as the upper class led that revolution!
BakerBagel@midwest.social · 23 pts · 358d
So you think that revolutions are only acceptable when the rich do it? The industrialization of Russia and China were probably the largest movement of impoverished people to relative stability in human history.
theUwUhugger@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 358d
No, the us revolution resulted in much much different issues many persisting to this day like the inherent undemocratic system your lot clings to! But the power was distributed to the point where not one person could grab for it. Not that some didnât want to have George Washington as a kingâŚ
Do you guys just make semi random statements? Industrialization did not raise Russian living standard at all! In the short term it decreased it and in the long term, compared to say Taiwan, progressed incomparably worse
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 357d
It must be so easy being an anti communist, you can just make up whatever completely baseless claims you like and apparently expect people to believe them
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 358d
Maybe you should learn what the word "objectively" means, dumbass
theUwUhugger@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 357d
According to meriam webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objectively) objectively is defined as: âin an objective rather than subjective or biased way : with a basis in observable facts rather than feelings or opinionsâ; according to which I used the word correctly!
Kinda sad that after being called out for spouting baseless nonsense you come up with a âno youâ with naming your group for their support and apparently randomly picking a word you donât understand, claiming it to be used wrongly to appear smarter⌠Kinda sad
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 357d
Least incoherent anti-communist
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 358d
How exactly do you think the USA was formed?
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 30 pts · 358d
If people are violent against you, you have the right to defend yourself. That guy constantly advocated for violence against trans people, among many other groups.
Why a trans person have to sit and wait to be beaten up to death for some guy indoctrinated by this guy? They may chose their own life over the ones that are on a path to killing them.
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 358d
He just lived in the society he advocated for. He literally believed a shooting now and then was worth the right for everyone to have guns.
Those are his own words from 2023.
Just because it happened to him doesn't mean it wasn't what he wanted. For all we know, he died blissfully knowing he received a God-given bullet.
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml · 19 pts · 357d
So when people you disagree with politically, are kidnapping your loved ones, beating you up, killing people like you around you, you should... say: "I don't like that..." or...
If violence is used against you, you have a right to defend you with violence.
I'm sorry to say, but violent people don't care about you yelling "boo"... They just turn their attention against you, and use violence to silence you.
It's very impressive, that the violent people has brainwashed you to such a degree, that you let them be violent, and are willing to protect them from violence in response.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 19 pts · 358d
"Disagree with politically" is a wide brush: they are nazis and fascists. Killing one of them causes a crackdown on political opponents, killing them all doesn't. Paradox of tolerance and all that stuff.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 356d
Disagree with politically: should we build nuclear, do we pedestrianise the highstreet, how much funding should we give to public artwork
Fascist: oppressing or refusing the right to exist of groups of people, typically minorities. Often heard calling them rats or cockroaches which some of them have been doing this week.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 1 pts · 356d
I call them fascists, that's all. Not rats, cockroaches or whatever.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 356d
Rats/cockroaches is what the fascists call us
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -8 pts · 358d
Godwin's law.
huquad@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 358d
I want to believe in the peaceful solution, but history tells us otherwise.
jellygoose@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 357d
Just like we shouldnât have hung nazis right?
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -5 pts · 357d
what kind of a fascist is going to have civil and completely non-violent conversations with people?
causepix@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 356d
Yeah, we all know the nazis only became fascists the day they killed their first victims. All those nazi propagandists and theorists were actually blameless because they didn't personally assault anyone publicly, which is famously the only form of violence.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 356d
Historically, all of them, depending on who you might be. Everyone who was close to Pol Pot said he was a really nice guy who was great at listening and understanding, turns out that didnât stop him from committing to a genocide.
Donebrach@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 357d
Alternatively: kill assholes who deserve to be killed.
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -5 pts · 357d
everyone says stupid shit like that, until something like that happens to someone they agree with
Donebrach@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 357d
Plenty liberal activists and innocent people have been killed by the work of right wing trolls; right wing politicians; lunatics; and the biggest organized crime syndicate to ever grace this planet of earth, known colloquially as âthe cops.â
Might be time for a shake up of whoâs violencing who, no?
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 358d
Have you been seeing the progress that's happening without intervention
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 357d
Yeah! That's how we won WW2!! We told Hitler "hey you can't do that" and he was like "oh shit my bad i surrender!!" Lmao a fascist will never give up power willingly.
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -4 pts · 357d
what kind of a fascist is going to have civil conversations with people on college campuses around the US?
And what kind of fascist is going to advocate for the free speech rights of people he strongly disagrees with?
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 356d
The hell you mean he argued for their free speech rights? He wanted LGBTQ+ people dead! Can't have any speech when you're in the grave as he's currently finding out.
causepix@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 356d
One that wants to recruit more fascists and fascist sympathizers?
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 356d
He didnât advocate for that, thoughâŚ
pupbiru@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 356d
if youâre taking about charlie kirk with that âcivil conversationâ bit, those conversations were using misleading half truths to publicly debate people he disagrees with in order to convert the people around said debate to his cause. i wouldnât call that civil⌠civil is healthy, truthful debate on the merits: not winning at all costs
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 356d
NO INVESTIGATION NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 357d
Would Charlie Kirk agree with that if he was alive?
Ibuthyr@feddit.org · 7 pts · 357d
Nah, I'm hoping this becomes a thing and that a couple of billionaires will be shot soon. That'd be swell.
ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org · -7 pts · 357d
yep, you'll be in favor of it until it happens to someone you like. Then you'll lose your shit
see here's the thing, I don't want that to happen to anyone, not even the people I hate
Ibuthyr@feddit.org · 6 pts · 357d
People I like aren't billionaires and billionaires aren't people. They're what's wrong with humanity at this point in time. If there's a better way of getting rid of them, I'm all for it. But I'm not seeing any billionaires put to jail...
venusaur@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 358d
The system is broken.