I mean, it's still pretty good in the free world. There is decay, but it's not like living in countries like Russia, USA, or China. There's a reason why Murdoch left Australia.
Yeah typical young male college dropout, lives with mom, permanent online, lame meme stuff.
Aimless youth is a dangerous thing. There were a lot of young men in EU that joined ISIS who had a similar background. It just depends on the particular echo chamber as to which radicalization takes effect.
I do want to see how the news is going to explain the phrasing to the mainstream.
I saw some of those reports. There were entire sentences on these casings according to reports. Are there pictures? Im really struggling to comprehend how much text can fit on a casing
Publish BS that one side of the political aisle wants to hear & they eat it up.
Publish article calling out the first story's BS, and get those on the other side of the political aisle eating it up.
Profit!
EDIT: fixed "aisle" thanks to @imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works. I know that's the correct word, but I dunno why I didn't think of it when writing this initially. I think my brain's slowly turning to mush as I age.
Agreed. We've turned into the headline mattering more than the content.
Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Lemmy, etc., there's comments everywhere "did you even read the article?" We're looking for the fastest confirmation bias and it's easy when it's the title.
Fox News and OAN will run with the transgender headline and be quiet at the redaction, the damage is done.
What people are slow to realize is how well the Trump administration is playing this game. The headlines about Trump suing over the 2020 election is all they wanted, people tend to give validity to something that's at the courts, regardless of the verdict.
But obviously their affirmation is as credible as the tweet. Surprise, surprise, narratives are trying to get the upper spin. The tribes continue. Nothing is learned; nothing is gained. It goes on...
Huh? It was a lie. You want confirmation that a lie is a lie? How does one prove that? You literally got this backwards—the onus would be on you to prove that there was pro-trans messaging on the bullet.
I would argue that news organizations that report about something that could incite more violence without knowing any details is not legitimate.
Edit: Downvote me all you want, but reporting on something that immediately sounded made up without asking any more questions or knowing any details is journalistic malpractice.
1 HOUR AGO
10:39 AM EDT
Suspect's bullet casings had anti-fascist inscriptions engraved
By Danielle Abreu
Gov. Cox confirmed that investigators discovered a bolt-action rifle and scope wrapped in a towel and inscriptions engraved on bullet casings belonging to the suspect in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk.
One of the inscriptions read, "Hey, fascist. Catch!" and another read, “If you read this, you are gay." A third casing had the lyrics to “Bella Ciao," an Italian folk anthem sung by the anti-fascist resistance movement during World War II.
Looks like it's possible. Sidenote, hilarious to me hearing the Utah governor read what sounds like c/196 transcriptions in such an official voice.
Casings, not bullets. In this image, the casing is the big brass part, and the projectile is the smaller part sticking out the end.
Also notice that 30.06 has a large casing. It's a big round.
It was the standard infantry round for the US through 2 world wars, and was by far the most popular hunting round for decades. It was replaced by the military with the adoption of the 7.62 NATO (essentially a .308, but there's more to it than that) with the move to standardization between the allies, and that was replaced as the standard round by the 5.56/.223 with the move to lower caliber, and now this new Sig whatever.
It's a little outmoded these days and lots of manufacturers have moved on to more modern ammo for hunting and precision shooting, but it remains popular simply because of how ubiquitous it was.
Conservatives are incapable of being shamed. They elected a pedophile and convicted felon who put together the least qualified government in history, and cheered when a South African Nazi threw out Nazi salutes behind the podium of the president. If none of that could make them feel ashamed, then falsely blaming the shooting on their current greatest enemy, trans people, has no chance.
Damage was done and the anger it put into conservative hearts isnt going away even if they admit it was bullshit. They will justify their anger with some vague comeback and keep on hating
If they can make up shit then I can as well.
The shooter was definitely a hardcore maga supporter.
TRN obviously stands for Trump National Republic or something idk
There was one unused casing that said something like “take that fascist” so I can understand why they’d call it anti fascist. The cringe ones were just assigned to trans people who also have online cringe culture.
I spend a lot of time on Lemmy and am only vaguely aware of trans culture. I don't expect a random regular person to even know there's an online trans culture, much less identify signs of it.
I watched part of the press conference, and they said one of the bullet casings had “Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao” written on it, and another had something like “catch this, fascist” on it. Another said “notices bulges OWO”, and another said “if you’re reading this, you’re gay”. Or something like those, I only heard the guy read it once
In my unprofessional opinion, it sounds like the shooter was involved in online radical spaces, but hard to discern exactly what his motive was rn
EDIT: reporting from The Guardian - ‘On one of three unfired casings read “hey fascist! Catch!”, a second read “oh bella ciao” and a third one read: “If you read this, you are gay, LMAO”.’
The only connection to pepe is his mom saying "Tyler is some guy from a meme". Which is a very 'i don't get it but ok' type comment. Pretty sure he's just a gopnik, you can find a pepe version of anything.
Knowing how tortured some of these conspiracy 'connections' get, they'll probably try to spin the letter A in a normal typeface as being an anarchist symbol or something
EDIT: Possibly vindicated by the manufacturers stamp being interpreted as Trans ideology.
He says that as if it's not extremely common these days for preliminary, unconfirmed information to spread like wildfire, among everyone. The half-life of news in the public consciousness has grown so short that it's common for public attention to event X to have basically already dwindled to nothing, by the time all of the confirmation/debunking has happened.
Hell, I still encounter people, once in a while, who think Kyle Rittenhouse targeted and shot black people, all these years later, which was one of the very first things claimed about the Kenosha shooting after it happened, and was officially debunked almost immediately.
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karashta@piefed.social · 223 pts · 343d
Thank you, mainstream media, for showing how complicit and willing you are to shill any view given by those in power.
Journalism is dead and has been for decades, sadly.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 120 pts · 343d
Laser@feddit.org · 18 pts · 343d
They feared satire would be dead, but the onion has been killing it
saltesc@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 343d
I mean, it's still pretty good in the free world. There is decay, but it's not like living in countries like Russia, USA, or China. There's a reason why Murdoch left Australia.
iii@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 343d
The screenshotted tweet was wrong, mainstream media was correct.
Rolder@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 343d
They were half right. The engravings were anti fascist but had nothing to do at all with trans people. Plus some dumb memes like notices bulge owo
iii@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 343d
Yeah typical young male college dropout, lives with mom, permanent online, lame meme stuff.
Aimless youth is a dangerous thing. There were a lot of young men in EU that joined ISIS who had a similar background. It just depends on the particular echo chamber as to which radicalization takes effect.
I do want to see how the news is going to explain the phrasing to the mainstream.
Sc00ter@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 343d
I saw some of those reports. There were entire sentences on these casings according to reports. Are there pictures? Im really struggling to comprehend how much text can fit on a casing
sausager@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d
iii@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 342d
Who's that?
TomMasz@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 343d
This was too stupid to be true, yet they ran with it. The MSM is dying, from self-inflicted wounds.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 343d
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 33 pts · 343d
Publish BS that one side of the political aisle wants to hear & they eat it up.
Publish article calling out the first story's BS, and get those on the other side of the political aisle eating it up.
Profit!
EDIT: fixed "aisle" thanks to @imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works. I know that's the correct word, but I dunno why I didn't think of it when writing this initially. I think my brain's slowly turning to mush as I age.
sigh
imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 343d
Aisle
TheBat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 342d
Great strategy for when consequences are none
AZX3RIC@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 343d
Agreed. We've turned into the headline mattering more than the content.
Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Lemmy, etc., there's comments everywhere "did you even read the article?" We're looking for the fastest confirmation bias and it's easy when it's the title.
Fox News and OAN will run with the transgender headline and be quiet at the redaction, the damage is done.
What people are slow to realize is how well the Trump administration is playing this game. The headlines about Trump suing over the 2020 election is all they wanted, people tend to give validity to something that's at the courts, regardless of the verdict.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 343d
This song is 21 years old…
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 343d
Transgender ideology?
"You should install linux"
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 343d
Authorities confused why there are so many casings inscribed with
btwhodgepodgin@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 343d
boy-to-woman
lauha@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
"I use Arch btw"
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 12 pts · 343d
I wish this hurtful stereotype would stop: most have transitioned to NixOS. Please don't deadsystem. :p
SGforce@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 342d
Oh shit, new black metal band name just dropped
MehBlah@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 343d
A vegan makes an appearance.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d
The killshot casing said “*notices bulge* OWO what’s this?” or something very very close, so I think that’s what they were going off of.
Nougat@fedia.io · 54 pts · 343d
Would like more confirmation on this than a picture of a tweet saying so.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 66 pts · 343d
Its very much still up, now just framed in a "maybe do your own research before believing us" kinda way lmao
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/charlie-kirk-shot/card/ammunition-in-kirk-shooting-engraved-with-transgender-antifascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b
Nougat@fedia.io · 49 pts · 343d
Thank you! That’s hardly a retraction, innit?
saltesc@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 343d
It's not.
But obviously their affirmation is as credible as the tweet. Surprise, surprise, narratives are trying to get the upper spin. The tribes continue. Nothing is learned; nothing is gained. It goes on...
mienshao@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 343d
Huh? It was a lie. You want confirmation that a lie is a lie? How does one prove that? You literally got this backwards—the onus would be on you to prove that there was pro-trans messaging on the bullet.
Also, fucking google it.
Nougat@fedia.io · 38 pts · 343d
Settle down, Francis. I don’t believe something just because someone posted a picture of someone else’s tweet saying it. That’s how propaganda works.
This is someone making a claim, secondhand. People who make claims have the burden of proof. I am not making a claim.
e: https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/20824428
And the claim isn't true. That wasn't a retraction.
School_Lunch@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 343d
Now apply that same logic to the original claim
Nougat@fedia.io · 22 pts · 343d
I fucking did.
School_Lunch@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 343d
https://fedia.io/m/news@lemmy.world/t/2696480/-/comment/12284533
Did you?
Nougat@fedia.io · 15 pts · 343d
The thread parent posted, as a quote from somewhere:
A responder replied:
Because that claim was not in the article posted.
I replied, what you're linking to:
That it was being reported. At legitimate sources. Which it was. Being reported.
School_Lunch@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 343d
I would argue that news organizations that report about something that could incite more violence without knowing any details is not legitimate.
Edit: Downvote me all you want, but reporting on something that immediately sounded made up without asking any more questions or knowing any details is journalistic malpractice.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 14 pts · 343d
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 343d
Damage is done. MAGA idiots will run with this regardless. Look at the anti-vaxx crowd as examples
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 343d
and all retractions and corrections will be touted as cover ups. The damage is done, innocents will be attacked over it.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 343d
Lol they will never see the retractions. I'm sure my more conservative friends will bring this up as of its gospel years after.
One of them recently referred to the Trump shooter as a blue haired lefty extremist.
Philharmonic3@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 343d
Release the Epstein files.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 343d
Rumour has it the Epstein files are scrawled with transgender ideology, only one way to know for true.
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 343d
Well pedo-prez is certainly enjoying a break from this right now. Once again, and for the last time, Charlie has been his useful idiot.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 343d
Rupert Murdoch deserves to be flayed alive for his crimes against humanity and its societies.
Nothing will happen as a result of this, if justice is going to be brought against the global oligarchy it won't come from our governments.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 27 pts · 343d
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/trump-administration-charlie-kirk-fbi-israel-gaza-september-12-2025/6390837/
From what I'm seeing:
Looks like it's possible. Sidenote, hilarious to me hearing the Utah governor read what sounds like c/196 transcriptions in such an official voice.
spacesatan@leminal.space · 10 pts · 343d
Reuters:
Not enough people are talking about this. Makes 0 sense in context but great regardless.
SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 343d
Do you happen to know how? As a layperson this seems like a lot of words to inscribe on a single bullet....
spacesatan@leminal.space · 3 pts · 342d
.30-06 is big
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
Casings, not bullets. In this image, the casing is the big brass part, and the projectile is the smaller part sticking out the end.
Also notice that 30.06 has a large casing. It's a big round.
It was the standard infantry round for the US through 2 world wars, and was by far the most popular hunting round for decades. It was replaced by the military with the adoption of the 7.62 NATO (essentially a .308, but there's more to it than that) with the move to standardization between the allies, and that was replaced as the standard round by the 5.56/.223 with the move to lower caliber, and now this new Sig whatever.
It's a little outmoded these days and lots of manufacturers have moved on to more modern ammo for hunting and precision shooting, but it remains popular simply because of how ubiquitous it was.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 343d
I mean those are definitely anti-fascist, but I don't see a damn thing that could be interpreted as transgender.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 343d
In the video the Utah Gov. also says "Spots bulge, OwO" or something like that, idk why they left it out in the text I copied.
But yeah still not technically transgender, just whatever "uwu shit" is called (back in my day we spoke 1337, idk the name of this new tongue.)
pulsewidth@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 343d
I think that'd probably be called weeb / weeaboo talk.
Look out weebs, Fox News is about to make you public enemy number one for MAGAts.
absentbird@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
OwO is just an emoticon, we had those back on dialup too :-)
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 343d
They left out the best part of the "Hey, fascist. Catch!" one
It was followed with ↑→↓↓↓
ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
Ahh, I love the smell of a nice cup of liber-tea.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 343d
Me when I'm a white Utahn Mormon boy and I google antifascist slogans so I can pretend to be a leftist
iii@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 343d
Reuters reports the same (1)
sausager@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
Why were there so many casings for all those messages? He only fired one bullet
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 343d
Multiple bullets in the Mauser's mag.
sausager@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
Oh they found unspent casings too, I see
notannpc@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 343d
Conservatives are incapable of being shamed. They elected a pedophile and convicted felon who put together the least qualified government in history, and cheered when a South African Nazi threw out Nazi salutes behind the podium of the president. If none of that could make them feel ashamed, then falsely blaming the shooting on their current greatest enemy, trans people, has no chance.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 342d
With radical politcal groups, this is a feature not a bug. By going along with obvious bullshit, you prove your loyalty to the tribe.
iii@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 342d
Is that also why people here celebrate violence over dialogue?
taiyang@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 343d
Honestly, if there's gonna be engravings on bullet cases, I'd leave just three words: Change My Mind.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 343d
Rearrange My Brain
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 342d
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 343d
Conservatives have no shame. That's why the U.S is where it is.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 343d
I heard he said "Hilary Clinton sends her regards purple monkey dishwasher" right before he opened fire.
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 343d
Regressives feel no shame. People without empathy don't feel shame. They do promote and support hate.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 343d
Damage was done and the anger it put into conservative hearts isnt going away even if they admit it was bullshit. They will justify their anger with some vague comeback and keep on hating
ATPA9@feddit.org · 9 pts · 343d
If they can make up shit then I can as well. The shooter was definitely a hardcore maga supporter. TRN obviously stands for Trump National Republic or something idk
foggianism@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 342d
WJS, is that the same newspaper that reported the 40 beheaded babies in Israel then retracted it?
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 342d
Wall Journal Street?
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 342d
There was one unused casing that said something like “take that fascist” so I can understand why they’d call it anti fascist. The cringe ones were just assigned to trans people who also have online cringe culture.
sausager@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 342d
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 342d
I spend a lot of time on Lemmy and am only vaguely aware of trans culture. I don't expect a random regular person to even know there's an online trans culture, much less identify signs of it.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 343d
Like they’d ever apologize. “Well this is what libs do anyway…”
ook@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 343d
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 343d
I watched part of the press conference, and they said one of the bullet casings had “Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao” written on it, and another had something like “catch this, fascist” on it. Another said “notices bulges OWO”, and another said “if you’re reading this, you’re gay”. Or something like those, I only heard the guy read it once
In my unprofessional opinion, it sounds like the shooter was involved in online radical spaces, but hard to discern exactly what his motive was rn
EDIT: reporting from The Guardian - ‘On one of three unfired casings read “hey fascist! Catch!”, a second read “oh bella ciao” and a third one read: “If you read this, you are gay, LMAO”.’
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 343d
These sayings sound like something off of 4chan
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 343d
He seemingly once dressed up as a Pepe meme for Halloween
spacesatan@leminal.space · 3 pts · 343d
The only connection to pepe is his mom saying "Tyler is some guy from a meme". Which is a very 'i don't get it but ok' type comment. Pretty sure he's just a gopnik, you can find a pepe version of anything.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 342d
That's a gopnik. Both Pepe and Tyler here are dressed and crouching as a gopnik, someone of the gopnik subculture.
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 342d
I will be honest, that is not a subculture I’ve ever heard of before. Good to know, though, thanks!
iii@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 343d
Or lemmy let's be honest - there's a lot of that here too
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 343d
i read elsewhere that the "hey fascist! Catch!" one also had the code for the 500kg bomb from helldivers
iii@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 343d
Yea, sounds like typical young male, college dropout, lives with mom and spends most of the time online, behaviour.
Aimless youth is a dangerous thing.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 343d
Knowing how tortured some of these conspiracy 'connections' get, they'll probably try to spin the letter A in a normal typeface as being an anarchist symbol or something
EDIT: Possibly vindicated by the manufacturers stamp being interpreted as Trans ideology.
iii@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 343d
Reuters reports: (1)
"If you read this, you are gay, lmao."
"Hey fascist! Catch!"
And
"Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Bella Ciao, Ciao, Ciao."
As engravings.
Ileftreddit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
damnedfurry@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 343d
He says that as if it's not extremely common these days for preliminary, unconfirmed information to spread like wildfire, among everyone. The half-life of news in the public consciousness has grown so short that it's common for public attention to event X to have basically already dwindled to nothing, by the time all of the confirmation/debunking has happened.
Hell, I still encounter people, once in a while, who think Kyle Rittenhouse targeted and shot black people, all these years later, which was one of the very first things claimed about the Kenosha shooting after it happened, and was officially debunked almost immediately.
drmoose@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 342d
I don't even get how any editor lives down something like this. Giving green light on publish here is such an incredibly incompetent move
cdf12345@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 343d
![](https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/b84916f7-0fd3-4325-9aa8-9acb86889a62.webp
MAGA are such idiots
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 343d
Wow! Ammunition manufacturers have recognized the growing market for trans mass shooters and are releasing a new line, called TransAmmo!©
That's smart marketing.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d
TangledHyphae@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d
It amuses me how much misinformation is on lemmy, which is what this site's members espouse to be against.
Ileftreddit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 342d
iPiratestuff@discuss.tchncs.de · -19 pts · 343d
DangedIfYouDid@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 343d
Nah burden of proof is on you champ.
iPiratestuff@discuss.tchncs.de · -12 pts · 343d
Ileftreddit@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
Hey, moron, go fuck yourself you nazi bitch.
nokturne213@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 343d
Source?