Meh, imo compared to most of Star Trek or Babylon 5 it was kinda mid (even Star Wars - The Clone War was better). Just basically American mil-prop but in space.
Let me remind you of the original premise: A conspiracy theorist nutjobeccentric professor (thinks aliens build the pyramids, but is somehow still allowed to lecture at an university) is hired by the military to help them explore an unknown world where they have to save uncivilised savageshelpless slaves (using, you've guessed it: guns) from an evil dictatorall powerfull god (who still needs slaves tho).
The more I think about it, it's not even mid, it's crap. It has no wonder for what's beyond the stars, just a constant psychotic fear of anything that could even remotely be considered a danger to AmericaEarth. And the only solution to it is shoot at it.
They're not all that afraid of what's out there. They spend most of their time trying to make friends and messing things up by acting like American tourists.
In fact, most of the reason for why humanity is so powerful towards the end of the show is that several of the powerful species have befriended humanity and have given their tech to them.
It's still milprop but milprop that places a surprisingly large emphasis on diplomacy and dealing with people in good faith. You know, what the USA typically don't do.
it also, uh, kinda repeatedly pointed out how the military kinda sucks as a structure and how a lot of the time individuals have to ignore orders and rules in order to do do the humane thing.
SGC was good because it was filled with good people, hammond had a powerful conscience which motivated him to let things slide and to do what he could to prevent other parts of the military and government from ruining the good work people were doing.
That's why they are always sending armed soliders first?
Milprop is often like that: Oh no we're the diplomatic good guys forced to fight. Why are they making us do this? We could've been friends, if you just allowed us to install our puppetsigned our trade agreement. Now we unfortunately have to raze your cities and salt your fields. I hope you're sorry :'(
The big sci fi win in stargate is how highly they rated internal consistency and having a scientific basis where possible. Apparently that was mostly because the actress playing Carter absolutely refused to tell bullshit gobbledegook and forced the writers to do it properly.
It’s subtle, and not always perfectly followed, but if you take the episode where they gate to the black hole, they have significant screen time justifying why the time dilation is so strong when the gravitational effects are so weak. It shouldn’t work that way and they acknowledge that explicitly, but obviously they wanted a fun time dilation story so they call it out and explain it as an unexpected side effect of the gate wormhole. So sure, they sometimes make science do what they need it to do for the story, but they try hard to justify it.
Star Trek meanwhile barely follows its own rules most of the time, let alone actually acknowledging real physics
It’s called Raised By Wolves. It was on HBO Max before Zaslov took over. He scrapped it completely and pulled it off the platform. I think it’s on one of those free ad-supported channels now.
It’s quite hard to describe. At its core, it’s a sci-fi series focused on a couple of androids who are sent to raise human kids on another planet when Earth is destroyed by a religious war.
Beyond that, it’s like someone took LSD before writing the weirdest sci-fi shit they could think of. I mean like:
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
androids giving birth to flying snakes, acid aliens storing babies in their chest cavity, and people turning into trees
:::
I don’t even know how to describe it without spoilers because it’s so wild. I absolutely loved it.
As someone who did watch it on acid, fully agreed. I had to rewatch it sober because I thought the whole show had been a fever dream. It was even trippier sober.
Okay I think I might have watched the first episode or I watch at least the preview for it and it was one of those shows that I wanted to watch but I've got so many that it just hasn't gone to that point yet. Guess I'm going to have to dig that out here soon.
I had watched the first half of the first episode and then got called away for something and didnt go back until about a year later when people recommended it. I restarted the episode and almost stopped again but then the ending just went off the rails and I got much more interested
I liked the first 80% of the first season, and stopped watching halfway into S02E01. Is it worth continuing? Do we get any answers? Are they satisfying?
ALright, thanks for the recommendation :) And yeah, "weird" and "metal" are good descriptions. Additionally, the backstory we got in S1 was definitely "fire".
Could anyone please name the show? Ppl in the know keep referring to it as the show but could the oblivious ones get into the inner circle as well, please?
I thought these were Whitecloaks from WoT at first and then my dumbass was like "no, Whitecloaks have golden sunbursts on the chest of their uniforms, not red. Wait, what about The Hand Of the Light? No, that's crimson shepherd's crooks, not sunbursts"
That continued for a while before I noticed their fucking guns
I'm fairly certain you're right, I just can't remember if it was that exact attempt at fucking with the Sun that started that, or if that was another time.
Because Ra has nothing but burning hatred for Apep, and it was well damned earned. Snake refuses to learn the lesson.
there's probably a version of the myth for each. you know how the Greeks kinda had an established canon for their mythology? Egyptians did not lmao, there are very few (if any at all tbf) constants in their religion and the 3000 years of an Empire has produces many different versions of the state standard, and that's to not even mention the stuff nobody wrote down.
bonus fun fact! in some versions of the infamous cum salad myth Thoth creates a solar disk made out of Horus's cum that gets summoned from Set's body at the trial. next time you look at Thoth know that his hat is made of cum
there is also a goddess who is a brick, she has a human face and the rest is a brick :)
The moon is super important because it shines during the night when it's dark, while the sun is only ever in the sky during the day when it's bright outside, so it's much less important.
Not to me they're not, I think we should stop giving tides so much attention. Ocean goes up, ocean goes down, blah blah blah, such a neat trick. Ridiculous.
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Rose_Thorne@lemmy.zip · 168 pts · 320d
Ya know what happened to Apep(the deity)?
He got his fucking ass kicked by Ra. Hell, if I remember right, he also gets his ass kicked by Horus at least once.
Basically, don't fuck with the sun. It's got hands. And a beak.
xylol@leminal.space · 53 pts · 320d
We stand for Sol
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 74 pts · 320d
We stand against false gods.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 320d
Best show <3
pitiable_sandwich540@feddit.org · 1 pts · 320d
Meh, imo compared to most of Star Trek or Babylon 5 it was kinda mid (even Star Wars - The Clone War was better). Just basically American mil-prop but in space.
Let me remind you of the original premise: A
conspiracy theorist nutjobeccentric professor (thinks aliens build the pyramids, but is somehow still allowed to lecture at an university) is hired by the military to help them explore an unknown world where they have to saveuncivilised savageshelpless slaves (using, you've guessed it: guns) from anevil dictatorall powerfull god (who still needs slaves tho).The more I think about it, it's not even mid, it's crap. It has no wonder for what's beyond the stars, just a constant psychotic fear of anything that could even remotely be considered a danger to
AmericaEarth. And the only solution to it is shoot at it.Jesus_666@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 319d
They're not all that afraid of what's out there. They spend most of their time trying to make friends and messing things up by acting like American tourists.
In fact, most of the reason for why humanity is so powerful towards the end of the show is that several of the powerful species have befriended humanity and have given their tech to them.
It's still milprop but milprop that places a surprisingly large emphasis on diplomacy and dealing with people in good faith. You know, what the USA typically don't do.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 319d
Instructions unclear: Revolt, enjoy your new dictator, and ignore the CIA agents out back unloading cocaine.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 318d
the SG teams embody American ideals, while the NID embodies American history. specifically, the NID acts like '60s CIA.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 309d
it also, uh, kinda repeatedly pointed out how the military kinda sucks as a structure and how a lot of the time individuals have to ignore orders and rules in order to do do the humane thing.
SGC was good because it was filled with good people, hammond had a powerful conscience which motivated him to let things slide and to do what he could to prevent other parts of the military and government from ruining the good work people were doing.
pitiable_sandwich540@feddit.org · 1 pts · 319d
That's why they are always sending armed soliders first?
Milprop is often like that: Oh no we're the diplomatic good guys forced to fight. Why are they making us do this? We could've been friends, if you just
allowed us to install our puppetsigned our trade agreement. Now we unfortunately have to raze your cities and salt your fields. I hope you're sorry :'(lath@piefed.social · 10 pts · 319d
They're sending a robot with a camera first. Then it's two soldiers + two scientists.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 319d
I mean, that argument can be applied against Star Trek too, they always send an armed warship to make first contact.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 319d
It's okay to be wrong =p
pitiable_sandwich540@feddit.org · 4 pts · 319d
I know, I don't hold it against you :D
cybervseas@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 320d
If you watch too many episodes at once you realize they all end in shootouts, and then you feel sad.
lath@piefed.social · 5 pts · 319d
That was because we like shootouts. It's sad yes, but also fun.
TurtleTourParty@midwest.social · 2 pts · 319d
"I do not understand why everything in this script must inevitably explode"
scratchee@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 318d
The big sci fi win in stargate is how highly they rated internal consistency and having a scientific basis where possible. Apparently that was mostly because the actress playing Carter absolutely refused to tell bullshit gobbledegook and forced the writers to do it properly.
It’s subtle, and not always perfectly followed, but if you take the episode where they gate to the black hole, they have significant screen time justifying why the time dilation is so strong when the gravitational effects are so weak. It shouldn’t work that way and they acknowledge that explicitly, but obviously they wanted a fun time dilation story so they call it out and explain it as an unexpected side effect of the gate wormhole. So sure, they sometimes make science do what they need it to do for the story, but they try hard to justify it.
Star Trek meanwhile barely follows its own rules most of the time, let alone actually acknowledging real physics
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 318d
it pleases me that the actress who played Carter cared about science like the character.
Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Boo.
Haters gonna hate Gaters gonna gate
TurtleTourParty@midwest.social · 7 pts · 319d
Carter did blow up a sun...
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
IT WAS AN ACCIDENT!
Now Rodney who fired up that unstable energy chamber again after it had already fried one guy on the other hand…
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 319d
they named an asteroid after apophis, because the astronomers were fans of the show, and yes its also egyptian mythos irl.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 320d
That looks kinda like the guy who played Ragnar in "Vikings."
(cautiously checks for weird things like too many fingers, armor features that make nonsense, or other visual anomalies before cautiously asking...)
What's this from?
It looks pretty rad.
SrNobody@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 320d
Raised by wolfs
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 319d
Appreciate it, thanks! :D
MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website · 11 pts · 320d
Watching the two on the left go from hardnosed atheist commandos to saying “Praise Sol” with conviction, what a wild fucking trip of a show.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 319d
I’m still upset that this was canceled.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 319d
What is this show?
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 319d
It’s called Raised By Wolves. It was on HBO Max before Zaslov took over. He scrapped it completely and pulled it off the platform. I think it’s on one of those free ad-supported channels now.
The show is produced by Ridley Scott and his production company Scott Free Productions .
It’s quite hard to describe. At its core, it’s a sci-fi series focused on a couple of androids who are sent to raise human kids on another planet when Earth is destroyed by a religious war.
Beyond that, it’s like someone took LSD before writing the weirdest sci-fi shit they could think of. I mean like:
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler androids giving birth to flying snakes, acid aliens storing babies in their chest cavity, and people turning into trees :::
I don’t even know how to describe it without spoilers because it’s so wild. I absolutely loved it.
RamSwamson@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 319d
As someone who did watch it on acid, fully agreed. I had to rewatch it sober because I thought the whole show had been a fever dream. It was even trippier sober.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 319d
Okay I think I might have watched the first episode or I watch at least the preview for it and it was one of those shows that I wanted to watch but I've got so many that it just hasn't gone to that point yet. Guess I'm going to have to dig that out here soon.
xylol@leminal.space · 1 pts · 318d
I had watched the first half of the first episode and then got called away for something and didnt go back until about a year later when people recommended it. I restarted the episode and almost stopped again but then the ending just went off the rails and I got much more interested
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 318d
Do give it a watch but don’t rush. They cancelled the show before ending it so it’s very unsatisfying.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 2 pts · 319d
I liked the first 80% of the first season, and stopped watching halfway into S02E01. Is it worth continuing? Do we get any answers? Are they satisfying?
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 319d
No. The show is cancelled before they wrap up anything.
Personally, I’d still watch it anyway because the show is so goddamn weird you can’t find anything like it anywhere else.
For anyone reading who hasn’t seen it, I would describe it as the most metal (🤘) show I’ve ever seen.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 2 pts · 319d
ALright, thanks for the recommendation :) And yeah, "weird" and "metal" are good descriptions. Additionally, the backstory we got in S1 was definitely "fire".
Soku@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
Could anyone please name the show? Ppl in the know keep referring to it as the show but could the oblivious ones get into the inner circle as well, please?
Khaly@programming.dev · 3 pts · 319d
Raised By Wolves
Soku@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Thank you
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 319d
I thought these were Whitecloaks from WoT at first and then my dumbass was like "no, Whitecloaks have golden sunbursts on the chest of their uniforms, not red. Wait, what about The Hand Of the Light? No, that's crimson shepherd's crooks, not sunbursts"
That continued for a while before I noticed their fucking guns
Sanctus@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 320d
Doesnt he get his ass kicked by Ra nightly as Ra travels through the underworld every night?
Rose_Thorne@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 320d
I'm fairly certain you're right, I just can't remember if it was that exact attempt at fucking with the Sun that started that, or if that was another time.
Because Ra has nothing but burning hatred for Apep, and it was well damned earned. Snake refuses to learn the lesson.
shneancy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
there's probably a version of the myth for each. you know how the Greeks kinda had an established canon for their mythology? Egyptians did not lmao, there are very few (if any at all tbf) constants in their religion and the 3000 years of an Empire has produces many different versions of the state standard, and that's to not even mention the stuff nobody wrote down.
bonus fun fact! in some versions of the infamous cum salad myth Thoth creates a solar disk made out of Horus's cum that gets summoned from Set's body at the trial. next time you look at Thoth know that his hat is made of cum
there is also a goddess who is a brick, she has a human face and the rest is a brick :)
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Look it doesn't matter much to me my heart weighs way more than a feather
underscores@lemmy.zip · 75 pts · 320d
NASA has a huge history of nerdy names with mythological references, allegedly rituals too
Tonava@sopuli.xyz · 38 pts · 320d
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 41 pts · 320d
One of the rockets sprays water at the sun.
This is to see what would happen, but is also an attempt at extinguishing the sun.
eatCasserole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 320d
This reminds me of: https://youtu.be/kq7DDk8eLs8
toynbee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Didn't Cyclops convince a Sentinel to do something similar?
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 317d
Adding more hydrogen will make the sun burn faster, so I guess spraying water will extinguish the sun a little earlier than it otherwise would.
MurrayL@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 319d
A word for this is ‘backronym’
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 320d
Wouldn't they hit the moon instead?
TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca · 25 pts · 320d
Yea extinguish that mf. Dude causes way too much light pollution already
Klear@quokk.au · 42 pts · 320d
The moon is super important because it shines during the night when it's dark, while the sun is only ever in the sky during the day when it's bright outside, so it's much less important.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 320d
Thank you Terry.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 320d
I think tides might be important too
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 319d
Not to me they're not, I think we should stop giving tides so much attention. Ocean goes up, ocean goes down, blah blah blah, such a neat trick. Ridiculous.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 320d
Juno was mad, he knew he'd been had...
Support_Depot@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 320d
So he shot at the sun with a gun
prex@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 320d
Sounds like fun.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 319d
Literally the plot of American Gods
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 319d
Don't piss off Aten
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 320d
Apep... I mean... I get why they'd want to extinguish the sun, I can't imagine they had a good time in grade school with a name like "Apep..."
jankforlife@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 320d
c/whatadamnmin
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 320d
NO.