AI is largely coded and trained by rich white dudes in Silicon Valley. Then fed racially biased material, I don’t know what you were expecting.
Even before the current “AI”, machine learning would do racist shit all the time. Like when Apple Photos would tag the faces of black people and ask “Is this a dog?”
There’s also an ongoing discussion about how the color balance on almost every digital camera ever made favors light skin over dark skin.
Remember the response to Deepseek? They aren't universally pro-AI, they want American technocrats to be the ones who control the AI that they feel will eventually take over the world.
There was quite a bit of "racism" or at the very least fearmongering when Deepseek was released.
Yeap.... Imo the reason why so many of the worst people in America are so obsessed with AI is because they think it will solve the age old problem of population decline without having to import brown people for labour.
Don't know about that. The Browns generated an estimated $685 million in revenue from the 2025 season according to Google's shitty AI. They did have an operating cost of about $90 million though. Admittedly I don't know if it's a lot for an american football team, but someone must've given them money.
Immigrants have non-white skin and AI doesn't even have skin, which is more preferable because I'm an irrational stupid racist that loves bootlicking rich oligarchs. Hail Corporate!
You can't be a proper racist. Some of the words you used have more than four syllables and you haven't misspelt the name of your own country even once.
the Republican Party sole purpose is to further the interests of wealthy and corporations
Perhaps not SOLE, but that's also the main purpose of the Dem leadership.
That's a big reason why they're so bad at messaging: they're having to appeal to a base who mostly loathe billionaires and big corporations while also making sure that the billionaires and corporations don't get annoyed and stop enriching them.
the only way they can do that is build a platform on racism and xenophobia to trick the less educated or informed into voting for them.
Yeah, can't have fascism without a million lies and constant scapegoating of already vulnerable groups of people.
Nope. I'm a leftist. Unlike 99% of the corrupt party you're shilling for.
horrible things done specifically by Republicans
Nope. Republicans do it even more/worse, but that doesn't mean that the Dems are innocent of it. They aren't.
telling me both sides are bad.
More accurately put, one's awful and the other is a literal fascist party and thus much worse.
Thanks, I really needed that in my life.
A more nuanced view than "because they're not fascists, the Dems are automatically great and don't need to improve anything about themselves to better represent the will of the people“?
Yeah ok, you're clearly an absolute idiot and/or pathologically unable to admit when you're wrong, so I'm not gonna waste any more time and effort explaining the obvious to you. Have the day you deserve.
We already see anti-AI backlash in businesses that want to shove the tools down workers' throats.
The big difference is that workers in the US have no real power. If you want to be a proper ultra-nationalist in America, you better own something and it better be big enough to fund the solicitation of a few congresscritters. The response to anti-AI activism is to call the critiques "Luddites" (or perhaps Russia/China disinformation agents). The response to anti-migrant activism is to nod sagely and insist the white working class needs to pick more cantaloupes for $5/hr.
They just make people lose jobs because it makes it cheaper for companies.
Yes, that's what happens when technological advances hit an already saturated market. The problem here is that, due to this baby, the fruits of all this automation are going to the owner class rather than the working class.
Yeah I could have phrased it a bit better. The point still stands. AI is not really helping productivity or safety so it is doing more harm to the workers than good.
I understand that having fewer people to pay makes it cheaper for companies, but if the AI isn't performing the duties of the people who got laid off, the AI is not making it cheaper for companies. That's just a round of layoffs, unrelated to AI.
I assure you it doesn't, and these fuckups have a significant cost that we will pay, not them.
Unless enough of us mobilize, then we can absolutely shift that cost, but the requirement is the bare minimum, and unfortunately 99.9 percent of us don't have that.
I don't have a lot of conversations with the "immigrants are taking our jobs" people. Are those same people really talking about AI killing jobs being good? Because that doesn't seem right.
It might be owned by white people but you should read the names of people in lead technical roles and writing research papers. I promise you will have a hard time pronouncing most of the names haha.
It's good if housing and stocks go up but it's bad if salaries and the price of stuff go up. Because it widens the gap between the haves and the have nots.
Because it’s good for shareholder profit to have us fighting eachother while the privileged few steal our future, freedoms and make earth uninhabitable
This is very simple. Your ambitions of being an artist were always completely irresponsible no matter how talented you may be. As your parents told you, be more realistic and aim for a strawberry picking career.
Now everyone can be happy! AI gets money to make Skynet for Israel, and you get to sneak an occasional nice fresh straberry into your cunt hole, if the AI is not looking.
Florida tried to force your children to replace immigrants in the strawberry fields, but fortunately this has remained an adult exclusive carreer opportunity, and we don't yet need to cannibalize those uppity children for stealing your jobs.
What academic career? I'm 50 years old. My academic days are far behind me. Woulda been nice to have ai compile all that tedious required MLA bullshit for me back then though.
Easy, when foreign workers take the money, it leaves the USA. When it's an American AI company getting that money instead of an American worker, the money stays in the country.
Plus, the administration hates foreigners and loves technology. Seems consistent, at least.
Easy, when foreign workers take the money, it leaves the USA.
Day laborers taking their fistful of loose change in wages and driving 300 miles back across the border to buy a sandwich.
Damn shame the labor performed by these workers doesn't stick around in the US economy in any way, either. All those houses and office buildings they assemble, the plumbing they fix, the foodstuffs they collect for retail sale, the electronics repairs, the meals they prep, the nursing they provide, the child care... all goes right back over the border with them as soon as they day is over.
OP was merely stating facts, don't get all emotional about it. OP never said the work paid for had no value, only that the money paid leaves this country. Once a dollar crosses the border, it's no longer part of our economy. I'm guessing it's not a big problem because the immigrant haters would be screaming about it.
Anecdotally, it's true. My wife sends a lot of money home every month. Won't tell me how much because she thinks I'll get mad, but it's at least $6,000 a year. She used to supervise a bunch of Hispanic immigrants who did the same. That money now belongs to the economies of the Philippines, Mexico and Honduras.
OP was merely stating facts, don’t get all emotional about it.
If you're reading emotion into my simple straightforward examples, that's on you.
Anecdotally, it’s true. My wife sends a lot of money home every month.
And your wife's family imports US produced goods and services back home. In fact, half the reason your wife sends money back home is due to the internationalization of trade between her country and the US. That's why the US dollar spends so well abroad.
That money now belongs to the economies of the Philippines, Mexico and Honduras.
It belongs to the international financial system. And it sloshes from Riyadh to Rio de Janeiro. Nobody in the US is made materially poorer because your wife's family has access to American dollars. If anything, they're made richer by way of export markets.
But that's the kind of macro-economics Americans aren't allowed to learn in high school.
Won't tell me how much because she thinks I'll get mad, but it's at least $6,000 a year.
Out of how much she makes? Pre-tax obviously, and don't forget workplace benefits, bonuses and the like. See my point? She's sending a hefty chunk back home but the vast majority of the money she makes—and, more broadly, the GDP she creates—stays in America. To generalize your anecdote, according to the UN immigrants, on average, only send 15% of what they earn back home. To a wealthy country, this is frankly peanuts.
While true that much of their pay leaves our economy, I don't see anyone calling it a problem. Wouldn't the Trump admin be screaming about it? You got me thinking and wondering why they're not, whether it's much of an issue or not. Don't give them any damned ideas!
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blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 142 pts · 320d
Oh there's logic all right
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 320d
so AI is white :D?
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 320d
AI is largely coded and trained by rich white dudes in Silicon Valley. Then fed racially biased material, I don’t know what you were expecting.
Even before the current “AI”, machine learning would do racist shit all the time. Like when Apple Photos would tag the faces of black people and ask “Is this a dog?”
There’s also an ongoing discussion about how the color balance on almost every digital camera ever made favors light skin over dark skin.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 10 pts · 320d
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/
Tja@programming.dev · -3 pts · 320d
AI is largely coded and trained by immigrants, often from Asia. As white as satya nadella and sundar pichai.
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 18 pts · 320d
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 320d
That’s the bonus stage on Wolfenstein.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 320d
Remember the response to Deepseek? They aren't universally pro-AI, they want American technocrats to be the ones who control the AI that they feel will eventually take over the world.
There was quite a bit of "racism" or at the very least fearmongering when Deepseek was released.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 107 pts · 320d
Oh that's really easy: AI isn't brown.
Never underestimate the Americans' capacity for racism. A lot of things in America can be explained by racism.
hOrni@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 320d
Can we manipulate AI to have a middle eastern accent?
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 15 pts · 320d
I'd recommend a Mexican accent for best results, but probably yes.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 6 pts · 320d
That works is seems, but you have to get access to someone's account to add it to the custom instructions.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 320d
Yeap.... Imo the reason why so many of the worst people in America are so obsessed with AI is because they think it will solve the age old problem of population decline without having to import brown people for labour.
aarRJaay@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 320d
Because rich people make more money when AI does it.
FishFace@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 320d
Rich people make money by hiring cheap immigrant labour, too.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 320d
They can also pay immigrants less and give them worse deal
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 320d
Because rich people get richer and nobody is giving money to the browns.
MBech@feddit.dk · 12 pts · 320d
Don't know about that. The Browns generated an estimated $685 million in revenue from the 2025 season according to Google's shitty AI. They did have an operating cost of about $90 million though. Admittedly I don't know if it's a lot for an american football team, but someone must've given them money.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
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OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip · 26 pts · 320d
In both cases, no one is taking our jobs. The ruling class is using both immigrants and AI to suppress our wages.
elbiter@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 320d
Immigrants are poor. AI is owned by rich white men.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 320d
Immigrants have non-white skin and AI doesn't even have skin, which is more preferable because I'm an irrational stupid racist that loves bootlicking rich oligarchs. Hail Corporate!
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 319d
You can't be a proper racist. Some of the words you used have more than four syllables and you haven't misspelt the name of your own country even once.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 19 pts · 320d
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 320d
There's an out, and it's us standing outside before being driven to extreme violence. We should talk about that.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 4 pts · 320d
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 320d
Perhaps not SOLE, but that's also the main purpose of the Dem leadership.
That's a big reason why they're so bad at messaging: they're having to appeal to a base who mostly loathe billionaires and big corporations while also making sure that the billionaires and corporations don't get annoyed and stop enriching them.
Yeah, can't have fascism without a million lies and constant scapegoating of already vulnerable groups of people.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · 0 pts · 320d
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 320d
Nope. I'm a leftist. Unlike 99% of the corrupt party you're shilling for.
Nope. Republicans do it even more/worse, but that doesn't mean that the Dems are innocent of it. They aren't.
More accurately put, one's awful and the other is a literal fascist party and thus much worse.
A more nuanced view than "because they're not fascists, the Dems are automatically great and don't need to improve anything about themselves to better represent the will of the people“?
Yeah, you really did.
After you, apparatchik.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -1 pts · 320d
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 320d
Yeah ok, you're clearly an absolute idiot and/or pathologically unable to admit when you're wrong, so I'm not gonna waste any more time and effort explaining the obvious to you. Have the day you deserve.
finitebanjo@piefed.world · -1 pts · 320d
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 320d
Yeah, because saying that they're much worse than the other party means that my one goal in life is to keep them in power 🙄
Pack up your ridiculous army of strawmen and go waste someone else's time, please.
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
Yuuup. The oligarchs would actually love to keep immigrant labor, but they see it as a worthwhile scapegoat to keep their voting bloc united.
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 320d
Just give it time, you'll get anti-AI opportunists who target small business owners eventually.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 320d
We already see anti-AI backlash in businesses that want to shove the tools down workers' throats.
The big difference is that workers in the US have no real power. If you want to be a proper ultra-nationalist in America, you better own something and it better be big enough to fund the solicitation of a few congresscritters. The response to anti-AI activism is to call the critiques "Luddites" (or perhaps Russia/China disinformation agents). The response to anti-migrant activism is to nod sagely and insist the white working class needs to pick more cantaloupes for $5/hr.
zxqwas@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 320d
AI or any other technology is good because doing more work with less people is the reason our living standards are higher than 100 years ago.
Immigrants that work and pay taxes is also good.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 320d
Yes but AI implementations currently don't do that. They just make people lose jobs because it makes it cheaper for companies.
And also AI and automation is jot taking over dangerous and unhealthy manual jobs but it's taking over programming and graphic design kinda jobs.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 7 pts · 320d
Yes, that's what happens when technological advances hit an already saturated market. The problem here is that, due to this baby, the fruits of all this automation are going to the owner class rather than the working class.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 320d
They just make people lose their jobs because idiots believe they make it cheaper for companies"*
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
Yeah I could have phrased it a bit better. The point still stands. AI is not really helping productivity or safety so it is doing more harm to the workers than good.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 320d
Amen
FishFace@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 320d
And what exactly do they make cheaper?
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 320d
Operating costs. Or at least that's the idea. Don't know if it actually makes it cheaper but CEOs sure love not having people to pay.
FishFace@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
I understand that having fewer people to pay makes it cheaper for companies, but if the AI isn't performing the duties of the people who got laid off, the AI is not making it cheaper for companies. That's just a round of layoffs, unrelated to AI.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 320d
I assure you it doesn't, and these fuckups have a significant cost that we will pay, not them.
Unless enough of us mobilize, then we can absolutely shift that cost, but the requirement is the bare minimum, and unfortunately 99.9 percent of us don't have that.
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 320d
TIL AI was invented in the mid 80s
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 320d
well it's an ancient condept and really in the form of computers the theory began in the 1940s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificial_intelligence
The field of "artificial intelligence research" was founded as an academic discipline in 1956.
Feyd@programming.dev · 10 pts · 320d
I don't have a lot of conversations with the "immigrants are taking our jobs" people. Are those same people really talking about AI killing jobs being good? Because that doesn't seem right.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 320d
They dropped the "taking our jobs" angle long ago, just didn't resonate. Now they're all dangerous criminals. Try to keep up!
Bongles@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 320d
I don't think they are. I think these are two different groups within the same "side".
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 320d
What colour is the AI? Thats the crucial part.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 320d
because it serves the rich well that people are easily baited into fearing and fighting minorities
the rich do not want you mad at AI becanuse that is their product
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 320d
Because if AI takes your job then eventually a billionaire gets to be a trillionaire.
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 320d
Uhhhhh the economy or something
devolution@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 320d
AI is made by white people while most immigrants are brown.
Checkmate.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 320d
It might be owned by white people but you should read the names of people in lead technical roles and writing research papers. I promise you will have a hard time pronouncing most of the names haha.
Shitbrains@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
While I totally agree with you, have you ever tried yourself at Polish names? And I think they are mostly white ;0)
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 320d
Honestly, as an american, I wouldn't put it past some of racists to think the polish names are actually african or something
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 320d
Don't worry, the next project will probably put the immigrants into slavery, then they'll both be legal AND owned by white people.
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com · 7 pts · 320d
To be fair immigrant AIs from China and Europe also aren't allowed in America.
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 320d
It's good if housing and stocks go up but it's bad if salaries and the price of stuff go up. Because it widens the gap between the haves and the have nots.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 320d
Just salaries. They like it when prices go up because they own the businesses selling things, and because it forces people to invest in their stocks.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 319d
Because it’s good for shareholder profit to have us fighting eachother while the privileged few steal our future, freedoms and make earth uninhabitable
GEESELICHIC@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 320d
The republicans haven’t figured out a way to be racist towards AI yet, that’s all.
potoo22@programming.dev · 7 pts · 320d
Fixed that for you
GEESELICHIC@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 320d
Touché
fum@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 320d
Capitalism
plyth@feddit.org · 2 pts · 319d
If all people look alike it's easier to pretend that there is no systemic exploitation.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 320d
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 319d
This is very simple. Your ambitions of being an artist were always completely irresponsible no matter how talented you may be. As your parents told you, be more realistic and aim for a strawberry picking career.
Now everyone can be happy! AI gets money to make Skynet for Israel, and you get to sneak an occasional nice fresh straberry into your cunt hole, if the AI is not looking.
Florida tried to force your children to replace immigrants in the strawberry fields, but fortunately this has remained an adult exclusive carreer opportunity, and we don't yet need to cannibalize those uppity children for stealing your jobs.
Imhotep@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 320d
wowwoweowza@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 320d
Gah… derp!
skulkbane@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 320d
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 320d
I don't mind if immigrants pick strawberries by hand.
I also don't mind if AI compiles all my tedious bibliography & citations for me.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
My condolences to your academic career
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
What academic career? I'm 50 years old. My academic days are far behind me. Woulda been nice to have ai compile all that tedious required MLA bullshit for me back then though.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
Ya know, because of all the hallucinations AI has when it comes to citing sources.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
You responded as though I had asked "Why?" But I didn't ask why. 🤭
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 320d
Both seem bad tbh
Zyansheep@programming.dev · 1 pts · 315d
Both are fine so long as we have a complete land value tax funding direct economic redistribution
yarr@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 320d
Easy, when foreign workers take the money, it leaves the USA. When it's an American AI company getting that money instead of an American worker, the money stays in the country.
Plus, the administration hates foreigners and loves technology. Seems consistent, at least.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 320d
Day laborers taking their fistful of loose change in wages and driving 300 miles back across the border to buy a sandwich.
Damn shame the labor performed by these workers doesn't stick around in the US economy in any way, either. All those houses and office buildings they assemble, the plumbing they fix, the foodstuffs they collect for retail sale, the electronics repairs, the meals they prep, the nursing they provide, the child care... all goes right back over the border with them as soon as they day is over.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 320d
OP was merely stating facts, don't get all emotional about it. OP never said the work paid for had no value, only that the money paid leaves this country. Once a dollar crosses the border, it's no longer part of our economy. I'm guessing it's not a big problem because the immigrant haters would be screaming about it.
Anecdotally, it's true. My wife sends a lot of money home every month. Won't tell me how much because she thinks I'll get mad, but it's at least $6,000 a year. She used to supervise a bunch of Hispanic immigrants who did the same. That money now belongs to the economies of the Philippines, Mexico and Honduras.
Does it matter much? No clue.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
If you're reading emotion into my simple straightforward examples, that's on you.
And your wife's family imports US produced goods and services back home. In fact, half the reason your wife sends money back home is due to the internationalization of trade between her country and the US. That's why the US dollar spends so well abroad.
It belongs to the international financial system. And it sloshes from Riyadh to Rio de Janeiro. Nobody in the US is made materially poorer because your wife's family has access to American dollars. If anything, they're made richer by way of export markets.
But that's the kind of macro-economics Americans aren't allowed to learn in high school.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 320d
Out of how much she makes? Pre-tax obviously, and don't forget workplace benefits, bonuses and the like. See my point? She's sending a hefty chunk back home but the vast majority of the money she makes—and, more broadly, the GDP she creates—stays in America. To generalize your anecdote, according to the UN immigrants, on average, only send 15% of what they earn back home. To a wealthy country, this is frankly peanuts.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 320d
While true that much of their pay leaves our economy, I don't see anyone calling it a problem. Wouldn't the Trump admin be screaming about it? You got me thinking and wondering why they're not, whether it's much of an issue or not. Don't give them any damned ideas!