Deaf people don’t have a choice not to hear and have heightened visual awareness. They also have accessibility tools to assist and bridge the gap in awareness.
Oh nice? What kind of tools? I've always been curious. Although a heightened visual awareness seems dubious. How could you even begin to quantify that?
Similar for smoke alarms, they have devices that essentially “listen” for specific sounds/frequencies and will then flash (AVC or audio-visual conversion) when triggered. Essentially “if this is flashing, the house is likely burning down”.
Increased visual awareness is just “they pay more attention to this sense due to lacking another” rather than the stereotypical “Im blind but I can see sounds” like daredevil. It would be interesting to see if it is actually quantified or captured by studies though.
My driving instructor also taught people with various disabilities. He said with deaf people the examiners pay special attention to how much they look around.
He also told the story of a guy with only one leg who really really wanted to ride a motorbike. The examiner made him stop at an incline dozens of times to make sure he always managed to fall to the side with his good leg and that the leg was strong enough to always hold the bike.
That's really cool. As someone with my own disabilities, it had never occurred to me that I might be able to do things which may seem unrealistic to me now with a little guidance like this.
Many had different accessibility gadgets. Someone missing a right arm would have the stick on their left, someone without legs had accelerator and breaks on levers, someone too short to reach them would have leg extensions. Really fascinating stuff.
That's fair. It sounds like an official should sign off if they fill the necessary requirements to safety operate the vehicle. But the point I was trying to make is that hearing isn't a requirement to drive safely.
Headphones don't just stop you hearing. They also inject extreme distraction. That makes them wonderful on the subway but terrible behind the wheel. Deaf people aren't listening to music or podcasts or anything at all except maybe their own thoughts.
Yes they are, and that's an entirely different situation.
People who are deaf have learned to work with their disability, and reduce the inherently increased risk of not having auditory cues -screeching tires, honking, emergency sirens, etc. That is a life skill for them.
OP, on the other hand, was asking about whether it was dangerous to voluntarily block out those cues in a situation which is already moderately risky (driving), and implicitly is someone who hasn't developed the compensating skills.
The question was 'is it dangerous?' It absolutely is, as well as stupid and in some cases, illegal.
Have you considered people who have limited impaired hearing and not totally deaf? Do they acquire these life skills? Is it something that is taught or self learned. It just seems to me it's less about hearing and more about mindfulness and the paying the proper attention to your conditions.
Right, so this is not a particularly well balanced take - if any headphones would be a danger to wear while driving, then it would follow that using a sound system in the car would also be equally as dangerous, as it would in a similar fashion mask sound from outside the vehicle.
Equally, any amount of soundproofing in the vehicle would be dangerous in the same way, and any safe driving would have to be done either with the windows open or with sound repeaters within the vehicle.
Neither of these are actually true, and the reason is that almost all of the information used when driving comes from your eyes.
This is coming from a massive car hater too, for what it's worth. I'd be supporting this position if only it were correct, but it's just not.
Deaf people live in a permanent state of being deaf, and will develop coping strategies that normally-hearing people will not have.
Even with those coping strategies, it's clearly possible there are still some scenarios in which deaf people would fail to perceive an event or danger while driving, which a hearing person would notice, but we as a society have decided that's an acceptable level of risk because deaf people literally have no choice about being deaf, and it would be excessive to penalise them from being allowed to drive.
On the other hand, when a normally-hearing person blocks out their hearing, they are literally choosing to impair themselves below normal functionality and to drive in that condition, increasing risk.
Deaf people and wearing headphones are not the same argument.
Should we ban radios in cars or limit the volume level of the radio? Should we ban having phone calls whether hands-free or not?
Totally agree that the risk is elevated whilst wearing headphones for a hearing person but not so much that it should make it illegal or even have to think about it.
It's stuff like this that causes all the regulation in the world. Modicoddling us all like babies.
For me, it is about being responsible and limiting your level of risk.
Listening to music on the car speakers at a normal volume is far better than wearing headphones. You can still hear sirens, horns, your indicator lights clicking, and most other cues in the world that let you know what's going on.
Silence is obviously better, if we are making that argument, but this discussion is about where we draw the line of acceptable risk. To me, speaker music is below that line, but blocking your ears with headphones is above it.
I don't want a pointlessly over-regulated world either, but I do believe people should make their choices with consideration for the safety of themselves and others.
I've spent the last 30 years deep in the deaf community and this conversation does come up now and then because the deaf can feel oppressed at times and I expect most deaf have had the "you shouldn't even be driving" comment thrown at them.
The problem is, any heightened senses are not going to make much difference, and the deaf have the right to drive like anyone else and would fight for that right should it be threatened. I would fight for their right to drive too, and so at the same time I can't also say "but you can't wear headphones" as its a double standard.
Given your experience, I appreciete your perspective. For me I don't believe it's a double standard, for the reasons mentioned - deaf individuals have no choice in the matter while hearing people do.
It's a similar argument to driving with a patch over one eye because you lost your eye, versus driving with a patch over one eye because you enjoy cosplaying as a pirate.
We should all make sensible choices.
And by the way, thank you for participating in this discussion with civility.
Yes. Anything that interferes with your ability to pay attention to keeping the tonnes of metal you’re driving on the road, is dangerous. It’s a distraction and stops you from being able to hear audio cues like sirens, crossing signals, etc. Horns are also not entirely “fuck you” buttons but to warn other drivers of potential hazards, through sound. Use your cars sound system. Buy a shitty dongle if you have to; but headphones of any variety is a bad idea for driving. It’s also illegal in some jurisdictions.
I'm a cyclist. Within the context of cycling, everyone agrees that using headphones on a bike is very dangerous because it limits your situational awareness. Yet nobody bats an eye at cars playing music with rolled up windows in a much faster and heavier vehicle with bigger blind spots. Driving dangerously is way too normalized.
They very much bat an eye at drivers who use headphones/earbuds while driving--as they should because it is much more dangerous, blocking or muting external sounds while very actively drawing your attention because the sounds are being sent straight into your ear canal.
Hearing through headphones is not comparable to hearing through an external speaker, even in an enclosed space.
Hearing through headphones is not comparable to hearing through an external speaker
Disagree. I think they are very comparable. Wearing headphones in a car is only slightly worse than listening to loud music in the car. Cars have gotten quieter and more isolating, more powerful, bigger, faster, and with bigger blind spots over the years. You barely have any situational awareness if you even roll up the windows, nevermind playing music in any form. The difference between a stereo and headphones is splitting hairs.
I remember back when I was taking driving lessons to get my learner's permit, they specifically said never to war headphones while driving. I don't know if it's illegal or just discouraged, but the intent is that it removes one of your senses from being able to help you react while driving. So it puts you and everyone around you on the road at risk.
If the problem is that your car is too loud, look into OTC hearing aids with active notice canceling. That way you can drown out the noise while still hearing important sounds.
Not hearing anything is nowhere near the same as actively distracting yourself with whatever is playing on the headphones while also suppressing a sense you typically rely on. The idea of people who are irresponsible enough to drive with headphones practicing enough to somehow match the experience of someone who lives every second of every day without sound, is ludicrous at best.
your personal incredulity notwithstanding, are you advocating not listening to music too (edit: speakers)? audiobooks... billboards... rainbow crosswalks... very distracting.
edit: shall I assume the lack of response here stems from an inability to successfully address the obvious contradictions in your argument?
Not to the point that you can’t hear or with ANC. Im advocating for not using headphones while driving at all, because it’s dangerous and irresponsible. Your point of “deaf people exist so headphones while driving is fine” is incorrect. Furthermore, if I stop replying it’ll likely be due to not wanting to debate with someone trying to defend dangerous driving habits.
my point isnt that deaf people exist, my point is that they represent an obvious contradiction that you have not taken the trouble to explain; now you dont get to have it both ways. either deaf people are deprived of something that makes driving dangerous, or they arent. if there is something that explains the apparent contradiction, id sure like to know more about it. if it seems im bein particular about this, it's because i am: ive been driving with my headphones on, professionally, for over a decade now. ive heard people claim headphones are somehow dangerous, but nobody has yet subsequently explained how deaf people are somehow safe to drive without sound in a way that i am not. it seems to me a very obvious contradiction.
you try to explain that deaf people might have adaptations and accomodations, (though you forget or are unaware that these are not required to be qualified to drive (or i suppose at least in my neck of the woods. maybe thats a requirement wherever youre from)) and that they have a lifetime of practice. well, i can still hear horns despite the headphones, and i have a helluvalot more practice in these specific conditions than a deaf 16-year-old fresh with their license, or a person who suffered hearing loss but still drives to work the very same day they get cleared to go back to work, however ludicrous you may think that is.
i'll give you a pass on other extremely common forms of distraction and obscuration, even the audio ones like blaring music, loud pipes, or screaming children, as being the lesser of the two arguments i presented.
all that said, if you aint wanna keep going thats fine, ive said most of what i wanted to say and i dont wanna antagonize you for having a different opinion.
sound is necessary for driving; it isnt, and deaf drivers with and without a "lifetime of experience" being deaf yet being allowed to drive regardless is the obvious contradiction.
that listening to music or an audiobook or the news is an insurmountable distraction to driving; it isnt, and the fact that youre allowed to listen to music and news etc is the obvious contradiction. maybe its different wherever you live, but here youre expected to be able to cope with distractions while driving.
furthermore, not one single person in this entire thread has actually explained why or how it is dangerous to wear headphones while driving, but instead everyone just repeats it as recieved wisdom and implicitly either demands my compliance, or vaguely threatens me about a law that doesnt exist here, while simultaneously refusing to address either of those obvious contradictions and accusing me of being 'ludicrous'.
put all that together, plus my lived experience actually, yknow, doing the shit without the sky falling on my head, and i dont see a single reason to believe that headphones are any more dangerous while driving than being deaf, which is considered a tolerable risk (and, incidental to my argument, i can still hear eg. horns and screeching tires etc., not that any of you give a fuck about my lived experience.)
does that answer your obviously-bad-faith question?
People acting like noise canceling headphones block your hearing. Thats only if you listen to something on insane volume.
When I drive on highway I always have either earplugs or headphones, it mitigats wheel hum and wind noise. No way it blocks sirens, honking or even conversations.
If you want to pretend to yourself that headphones have no impact on your hearing, you can do that. But to try it in the comment section here, I'm not sure why you thought no one would call you out on basic dishonesty.
To be clear, we're not talking about blocking noise. We're talking about reducing noise.
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swordgeek@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 320d
Yes!
Don't do it, please.
uhmbah@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 319d
I upvoted you.
People are way too fixated on black and white. Everything is grey.
But also, people are dumb.
pilferjinx@piefed.social · -7 pts · 320d
Are deaf people not allowed to drive?
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 26 pts · 320d
Deaf people don’t have a choice not to hear and have heightened visual awareness. They also have accessibility tools to assist and bridge the gap in awareness.
pilferjinx@piefed.social · 4 pts · 319d
Oh nice? What kind of tools? I've always been curious. Although a heightened visual awareness seems dubious. How could you even begin to quantify that?
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 319d
Similar for smoke alarms, they have devices that essentially “listen” for specific sounds/frequencies and will then flash (AVC or audio-visual conversion) when triggered. Essentially “if this is flashing, the house is likely burning down”.
Increased visual awareness is just “they pay more attention to this sense due to lacking another” rather than the stereotypical “Im blind but I can see sounds” like daredevil. It would be interesting to see if it is actually quantified or captured by studies though.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · 0 pts · 319d
Those types of accessories are not used whilst driving.
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 319d
Wrong. https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/hyundai-reveals-tech-for-hearing-impaired-drivers Edit: less recently https://www.tomtom.com/newsroom/product-focus/amigo-hearing-impaired-mode/
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 319d
Lol did you have to Google that. My wife is deaf, half my friends group are deaf. We are laughing at this.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 11 pts · 319d
My driving instructor also taught people with various disabilities. He said with deaf people the examiners pay special attention to how much they look around.
He also told the story of a guy with only one leg who really really wanted to ride a motorbike. The examiner made him stop at an incline dozens of times to make sure he always managed to fall to the side with his good leg and that the leg was strong enough to always hold the bike.
Drusas@fedia.io · 6 pts · 319d
That's really cool. As someone with my own disabilities, it had never occurred to me that I might be able to do things which may seem unrealistic to me now with a little guidance like this.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 1 pts · 319d
Many had different accessibility gadgets. Someone missing a right arm would have the stick on their left, someone without legs had accelerator and breaks on levers, someone too short to reach them would have leg extensions. Really fascinating stuff.
pilferjinx@piefed.social · 2 pts · 319d
That's fair. It sounds like an official should sign off if they fill the necessary requirements to safety operate the vehicle. But the point I was trying to make is that hearing isn't a requirement to drive safely.
Drusas@fedia.io · 4 pts · 319d
Your point is technically correct, but the background context matters a lot.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 316d
Headphones don't just stop you hearing. They also inject extreme distraction. That makes them wonderful on the subway but terrible behind the wheel. Deaf people aren't listening to music or podcasts or anything at all except maybe their own thoughts.
swordgeek@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 319d
Yes they are, and that's an entirely different situation.
People who are deaf have learned to work with their disability, and reduce the inherently increased risk of not having auditory cues -screeching tires, honking, emergency sirens, etc. That is a life skill for them.
OP, on the other hand, was asking about whether it was dangerous to voluntarily block out those cues in a situation which is already moderately risky (driving), and implicitly is someone who hasn't developed the compensating skills.
The question was 'is it dangerous?' It absolutely is, as well as stupid and in some cases, illegal.
pilferjinx@piefed.social · 0 pts · 319d
Have you considered people who have limited impaired hearing and not totally deaf? Do they acquire these life skills? Is it something that is taught or self learned. It just seems to me it's less about hearing and more about mindfulness and the paying the proper attention to your conditions.
TootSweet@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 319d
It is dangerous to wear active noise cancelling headphones while driving.
It is dangerous to wear passive noise cancelling headphones while driving.
It is dangerous to wear any headphones (or earbuds) while driving.
And very likely illegal.
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 319d
Right, so this is not a particularly well balanced take - if any headphones would be a danger to wear while driving, then it would follow that using a sound system in the car would also be equally as dangerous, as it would in a similar fashion mask sound from outside the vehicle.
Equally, any amount of soundproofing in the vehicle would be dangerous in the same way, and any safe driving would have to be done either with the windows open or with sound repeaters within the vehicle.
Neither of these are actually true, and the reason is that almost all of the information used when driving comes from your eyes.
This is coming from a massive car hater too, for what it's worth. I'd be supporting this position if only it were correct, but it's just not.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · -1 pts · 319d
It is legal for a deaf person to drive. It is not dangerous. Listen to whatever you want however you want.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 319d
Deaf people live in a permanent state of being deaf, and will develop coping strategies that normally-hearing people will not have.
Even with those coping strategies, it's clearly possible there are still some scenarios in which deaf people would fail to perceive an event or danger while driving, which a hearing person would notice, but we as a society have decided that's an acceptable level of risk because deaf people literally have no choice about being deaf, and it would be excessive to penalise them from being allowed to drive.
On the other hand, when a normally-hearing person blocks out their hearing, they are literally choosing to impair themselves below normal functionality and to drive in that condition, increasing risk.
Deaf people and wearing headphones are not the same argument.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 316d
The real difference is that silence isn't distracting.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · -1 pts · 319d
Should we ban radios in cars or limit the volume level of the radio? Should we ban having phone calls whether hands-free or not?
Totally agree that the risk is elevated whilst wearing headphones for a hearing person but not so much that it should make it illegal or even have to think about it.
It's stuff like this that causes all the regulation in the world. Modicoddling us all like babies.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 319d
For me, it is about being responsible and limiting your level of risk.
Listening to music on the car speakers at a normal volume is far better than wearing headphones. You can still hear sirens, horns, your indicator lights clicking, and most other cues in the world that let you know what's going on.
Silence is obviously better, if we are making that argument, but this discussion is about where we draw the line of acceptable risk. To me, speaker music is below that line, but blocking your ears with headphones is above it.
I don't want a pointlessly over-regulated world either, but I do believe people should make their choices with consideration for the safety of themselves and others.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 319d
I've spent the last 30 years deep in the deaf community and this conversation does come up now and then because the deaf can feel oppressed at times and I expect most deaf have had the "you shouldn't even be driving" comment thrown at them.
The problem is, any heightened senses are not going to make much difference, and the deaf have the right to drive like anyone else and would fight for that right should it be threatened. I would fight for their right to drive too, and so at the same time I can't also say "but you can't wear headphones" as its a double standard.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 319d
Given your experience, I appreciete your perspective. For me I don't believe it's a double standard, for the reasons mentioned - deaf individuals have no choice in the matter while hearing people do.
It's a similar argument to driving with a patch over one eye because you lost your eye, versus driving with a patch over one eye because you enjoy cosplaying as a pirate.
We should all make sensible choices.
And by the way, thank you for participating in this discussion with civility.
MelastSB@sh.itjust.works · 22 pts · 320d
It's dangerous to use headphones with active noise cancelling while walking. What do you think?
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 320d
VERY DANGEROUS.
4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 319d
WHAT?
squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 319d
VERY DANGEROUS!!!
IcedRaktajino@startrek.website · 16 pts · 320d
Yes. In many jurisdictions, it's illegal to use any kind of headphones while driving.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 319d
Many, many places it's illegal to drive with both ear buds in place. Thus, you'd never have "noise cancelling".
Don't!
slurp@programming.dev · 12 pts · 320d
It's dangerous to use anything that blocks your hearing, even just regular headphones!
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 320d
Yes.
That is the active removal of useful sensory information that pertains directly to driving.
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 320d
Yes. Anything that interferes with your ability to pay attention to keeping the tonnes of metal you’re driving on the road, is dangerous. It’s a distraction and stops you from being able to hear audio cues like sirens, crossing signals, etc. Horns are also not entirely “fuck you” buttons but to warn other drivers of potential hazards, through sound. Use your cars sound system. Buy a shitty dongle if you have to; but headphones of any variety is a bad idea for driving. It’s also illegal in some jurisdictions.
monogram@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 320d
JillyB@beehaw.org · 5 pts · 319d
I'm a cyclist. Within the context of cycling, everyone agrees that using headphones on a bike is very dangerous because it limits your situational awareness. Yet nobody bats an eye at cars playing music with rolled up windows in a much faster and heavier vehicle with bigger blind spots. Driving dangerously is way too normalized.
Drusas@fedia.io · -1 pts · 319d
They very much bat an eye at drivers who use headphones/earbuds while driving--as they should because it is much more dangerous, blocking or muting external sounds while very actively drawing your attention because the sounds are being sent straight into your ear canal.
Hearing through headphones is not comparable to hearing through an external speaker, even in an enclosed space.
JillyB@beehaw.org · 3 pts · 319d
Disagree. I think they are very comparable. Wearing headphones in a car is only slightly worse than listening to loud music in the car. Cars have gotten quieter and more isolating, more powerful, bigger, faster, and with bigger blind spots over the years. You barely have any situational awareness if you even roll up the windows, nevermind playing music in any form. The difference between a stereo and headphones is splitting hairs.
Drusas@fedia.io · 2 pts · 319d
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. My experience is very much counter to what you are saying.
julysfire@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 319d
It's illegal in many parts too
plz1@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 319d
I remember back when I was taking driving lessons to get my learner's permit, they specifically said never to war headphones while driving. I don't know if it's illegal or just discouraged, but the intent is that it removes one of your senses from being able to help you react while driving. So it puts you and everyone around you on the road at risk.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
If the problem is that your car is too loud, look into OTC hearing aids with active notice canceling. That way you can drown out the noise while still hearing important sounds.
lobo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
my point is noise cancelation mitigates mostly monotone noise, it has hard time with anything you would need to pay attention to in a car
and i would argue "carefully listnening" to the racket going on in your car damages your hearing and you hear less longterm than using ear protection
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · -3 pts · 320d
deaf people manage it.
IcedRaktajino@startrek.website · 10 pts · 320d
Deaf people also have a lot more experience compensating for / adjusting to the loss of that particular sensory input.
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · -3 pts · 319d
no shit? you can compensate for it with practice? damn i shoulda thought of that
CTDummy@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 319d
Not hearing anything is nowhere near the same as actively distracting yourself with whatever is playing on the headphones while also suppressing a sense you typically rely on. The idea of people who are irresponsible enough to drive with headphones practicing enough to somehow match the experience of someone who lives every second of every day without sound, is ludicrous at best.
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · -4 pts · 319d
your personal incredulity notwithstanding, are you advocating not listening to music too (edit: speakers)? audiobooks... billboards... rainbow crosswalks... very distracting.
edit: shall I assume the lack of response here stems from an inability to successfully address the obvious contradictions in your argument?CTDummy@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 319d
Not to the point that you can’t hear or with ANC. Im advocating for not using headphones while driving at all, because it’s dangerous and irresponsible. Your point of “deaf people exist so headphones while driving is fine” is incorrect. Furthermore, if I stop replying it’ll likely be due to not wanting to debate with someone trying to defend dangerous driving habits.
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · -1 pts · 319d
my point isnt that deaf people exist, my point is that they represent an obvious contradiction that you have not taken the trouble to explain; now you dont get to have it both ways. either deaf people are deprived of something that makes driving dangerous, or they arent. if there is something that explains the apparent contradiction, id sure like to know more about it. if it seems im bein particular about this, it's because i am: ive been driving with my headphones on, professionally, for over a decade now. ive heard people claim headphones are somehow dangerous, but nobody has yet subsequently explained how deaf people are somehow safe to drive without sound in a way that i am not. it seems to me a very obvious contradiction.
you try to explain that deaf people might have adaptations and accomodations, (though you forget or are unaware that these are not required to be qualified to drive (or i suppose at least in my neck of the woods. maybe thats a requirement wherever youre from)) and that they have a lifetime of practice. well, i can still hear horns despite the headphones, and i have a helluvalot more practice in these specific conditions than a deaf 16-year-old fresh with their license, or a person who suffered hearing loss but still drives to work the very same day they get cleared to go back to work, however ludicrous you may think that is.
i'll give you a pass on other extremely common forms of distraction and obscuration, even the audio ones like blaring music, loud pipes, or screaming children, as being the lesser of the two arguments i presented.
all that said, if you aint wanna keep going thats fine, ive said most of what i wanted to say and i dont wanna antagonize you for having a different opinion.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 316d
In most states it's illegal to drive with both ears covered/plugged with headphones/earbuds. You professionally breaking the law?
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 316d
And what do you think they're listening to? They're probably less distracted than the rest of us.
BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 0 pts · 316d
there are two things i am arguing against:
sound is necessary for driving; it isnt, and deaf drivers with and without a "lifetime of experience" being deaf yet being allowed to drive regardless is the obvious contradiction.
that listening to music or an audiobook or the news is an insurmountable distraction to driving; it isnt, and the fact that youre allowed to listen to music and news etc is the obvious contradiction. maybe its different wherever you live, but here youre expected to be able to cope with distractions while driving.
furthermore, not one single person in this entire thread has actually explained why or how it is dangerous to wear headphones while driving, but instead everyone just repeats it as recieved wisdom and implicitly either demands my compliance, or vaguely threatens me about a law that doesnt exist here, while simultaneously refusing to address either of those obvious contradictions and accusing me of being 'ludicrous'.
put all that together, plus my lived experience actually, yknow, doing the shit without the sky falling on my head, and i dont see a single reason to believe that headphones are any more dangerous while driving than being deaf, which is considered a tolerable risk (and, incidental to my argument, i can still hear eg. horns and screeching tires etc., not that any of you give a fuck about my lived experience.)
does that answer your obviously-bad-faith question?
lobo@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 319d
People acting like noise canceling headphones block your hearing. Thats only if you listen to something on insane volume.
When I drive on highway I always have either earplugs or headphones, it mitigats wheel hum and wind noise. No way it blocks sirens, honking or even conversations.
fodor@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 319d
If you want to pretend to yourself that headphones have no impact on your hearing, you can do that. But to try it in the comment section here, I'm not sure why you thought no one would call you out on basic dishonesty.
To be clear, we're not talking about blocking noise. We're talking about reducing noise.