To be honest I was more making a joke about the CzechHunter brand of gay porn. Pretty big staple to find a dude with that "haunted look" and then offer him money. Not specific to it that studio but the first that came to mind. But point well taken
Iāve always considered everything east of the Berlin Wall to be Eastern Europe and everything west to be Western Europe. Iād never even heard of Central Europe as a distinct idea.
my experience is that they get lumped in with either eastern europe or central europe depending on the context and whether on not it supports what someone says. for americans, they're a lot like Virginia or Kentucky where "are they part of the south" will depend on who you ask, and the context you ask in
To illustrate your point, Iām from Georgia, Kentucky is part of the south, Virginia aināt. And while Iām at it neither is Texas. Texas is its own thing and Virginia is DC
as a virginian by birth i find this stance INSANE haha. i generally go by "suceded? south."
the thing to understand is that just as ther are multiple americas, there are multiple Virginias. NoVA being lumped in with DC? sure. anything south and west of Culpepper? what?
virginia beach and reachmond is also its own thing distinct from DC, SWVA, and Southside.
but Ketucky is SUPER different from much of the rest of the south by my experience in southen appalachia, georgia, alabama, and louisana.
texas and florida are both interesting cases of both being Sutouthern and Their Own Thing
Just to be clear I aināt got a problem with Virginians in any way, but every one of yall Iāve met seems more āAtlanticā than southern. But Iām sure the closer you get to West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee the more that wanes.
Kentucky gets in because both bluegrass, bourbon, the derby, and because Tennessee vouches for them
You aināt wrong about Florida either. The way I generally look at it is if you draw a line eastwards from the most southern part of the panhandle, everything north of that line is the south. The rest can be either corp or Caribbean.
As for Texasā¦ they have a lot of southern qualities I aināt gonna front, but there are just so many ways they donāt fit. A Texan is always show offy compared to someone from say Alabama
nah for sure. didn't think you had issue. was just super happy it got to help us demonstrate to outsiders what i was originally saying about VA and KY. it is also reflective of my experiences of how people discuss Czechia. according to Italians, they're eastern. according to Poles they're central. ultimately, these distinctions are only useful in certain contexts that matter for how you're talking about the differences. ultimately, the conclusion is we, across the globe, are one people. our local cultures are also just that: local. i expect if you and i sat down to share spoonbread, our spoonbreads would taste different, but we'd understand the differences better than someone from Maryland or Delaware ever could
Eastern Europe is a subregion of the European continent. As a largely ambiguous term, it has a wide range of geopolitical, geographical, ethnic, cultural and socio-economic connotations. Its eastern boundary is marked by the Ural Mountains, and its western boundary is defined in various ways.[1] Narrow definitions, in which Central and Southeast Europe are counted as separate regions, include Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.[2] In contrast, broader definitions include Moldova and Romania, but also some or all of the Balkans, the Baltic states, the Caucasus, and the VisegrƔd group.
I feel like you're a bit confused about what the discussion is
FYI Czechia is not considered eastern Europe, but central Europe
Depends who you ask and what the context is
That's shown by both the article for Eastern Europe mentioning how it is sometimes included and how it's sometimes not included in Central Europe from your article. The article you linked just says it's often included but that's again what I was saying, it's only "often" because it depends.
Well, if you asked an idiot, Czechia might be defined as part of Antarctica.
The people we should ask are the Czechs.
And anyone who empathises with them will agree, it's in central Europe.
This is not just a geographic discussion. It's a question of whether you respect their 1000 year history of important kings and prince electors of the holy roman empire, or if you just look at the 80 years of forceful soviet occupation.
Compare traditional Czech dishes with Bavarian and with Russian dishes, you will see.
It definitely seems like a topic some are very emotional about and not just a simple geographic grouping. But I was just saying that those differing definitions exist still
I'm not saying American girls are all enjoying what they are doing. Esp porn from from Russia are all sad to me. Similar to porn from East Asian countries (non Han variants). Just sad.
I think it's a cultural thing. Russians don't smile out of courtesy like the West. It looks sad to us because we are used to smiles but it's more genuine. I would expect that on average, girls have the same feelings all over the world.
When it comes to final smiles, it is a requirement from the payment processors that after violent scenes, the video has to finish with the girl smiling and being in a good mood. That must mean that the girls have to smile if they want to be paid, no matter how they feel.
Anyone else sick of these rich people shows about rich people restaurants? I would rather see a show about a lower middle class guy who works in a shitty diner. I donāt understand the appeal of all the rich people tv shows
Donāt get me wrong, the Berzatto family had money, and some of their relations do. Butā¦most of the characters are not wealthy, and the restaurant started as a local sandwich joint.
Itās a really good show, I recommend it. Itās like Ted Lasso but dark and depressing.
Sure. And eventually, fancy cooking in the present. Still, humble beginnings for the restaurant. And humble existence for the characters: restaurant margins are very slim.
The bear is literally about a guy spurred to reconnect with his family and working class roots by the death of his brother after he has been made mentally sick by the demands of working for the rich and elite in the service industry.
Also the barrier for entry for this show is unbelievably low. It probably has one of the all time best first episodes of any tv show. Watching it would also make you immediately understand how much of a fool you look like right now. The setting is a financially struggling family owned restaurant that caters exclusively to working class people.
I'm not sure that The Bear really fits what you're complaining about here, but I love the complaint and agree with it in general, so upvoted your comment anyways. So much fiction nowadays is about rich people and "nepo babies", And life scenarios that are generally completely unattainable for most people. As if it wasn't already obvious enough that the majority of mass market fiction is created as some sort of escapist opioid for the peasants. The worst is the new "eat the rich" genre, that pretends to be criticizing, capitalism and wealth while simultaneously drooling over it the whole time.
Yeah that's a fair point, it does have some of that wealth ogling going on. Although in that show since none of the characters are really that rich, it feels more like they're in the shadow of wealth rather than partaking in it. I give that a pass because, how could you tell a realistic modern story without having people in the shadow of wealth?
Drove me insane with my ex her choice of TV shows. It was always a bunch of rich people having rich people problems, that were only somewhat tangentially relatable to regular people.
Gilmore Girls, Ginny and Georgia, huge peeves of mine. No one lives that life except a very very select few, and here they are on camera trying to make us pity them
My wife watches This is us, Us, and these other shows where everyone is always made up, wearing designer clothing. Everyone lives in a big house that is always clean, the neighborhood is picturesque.
I tried to watch that show master of none but it annoyed me because even the dumb fat sidekick character was always dressed in expensive current fashion and all they did was rich people shit and complaining
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Bobbysaurus@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 297d
FYI Czechia is not considered eastern Europe, but central Europe. Sorry for the smartassery, but I needed to mention that. š
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 297d
"Former Warsaw pact countries" doesn't have the same ring to it
Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 297d
To be honest I was more making a joke about the CzechHunter brand of gay porn. Pretty big staple to find a dude with that "haunted look" and then offer him money. Not specific to it that studio but the first that came to mind. But point well taken
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 297d
Considered by whom? Romanians?
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 12 pts · 296d
Feast your eyes on this map of Central Europe from what I can only guess comes from Bulgaria or Romania
Mikrochip@feddit.org · 2 pts · 295d
Ah yes, of course Central Europe shares a border with Turkey. How could I have ever thought otherwise.
Bobbysaurus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
Everyone besides you it seems.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 296d
Dudes living directly north of Bratislava getting salty about being called eastern Europe is peak eastern Europe mentality.
Bobbysaurus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 296d
If you refer to me, then you got my location completely wrong. š
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org · 3 pts · 296d
Everyone who knows geography?
Valmond@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 295d
We had east and west Germany at school so that might throw people off.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 296d
Iāve always considered everything east of the Berlin Wall to be Eastern Europe and everything west to be Western Europe. Iād never even heard of Central Europe as a distinct idea.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 296d
I think the strict East/West separation is partly a Cold War relic
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Yes, the Cold War had an enormous effect on the culture of Europe!
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 297d
my experience is that they get lumped in with either eastern europe or central europe depending on the context and whether on not it supports what someone says. for americans, they're a lot like Virginia or Kentucky where "are they part of the south" will depend on who you ask, and the context you ask in
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 297d
To illustrate your point, Iām from Georgia, Kentucky is part of the south, Virginia aināt. And while Iām at it neither is Texas. Texas is its own thing and Virginia is DC
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 297d
as a virginian by birth i find this stance INSANE haha. i generally go by "suceded? south."
the thing to understand is that just as ther are multiple americas, there are multiple Virginias. NoVA being lumped in with DC? sure. anything south and west of Culpepper? what?
virginia beach and reachmond is also its own thing distinct from DC, SWVA, and Southside.
but Ketucky is SUPER different from much of the rest of the south by my experience in southen appalachia, georgia, alabama, and louisana.
texas and florida are both interesting cases of both being Sutouthern and Their Own Thing
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 297d
Just to be clear I aināt got a problem with Virginians in any way, but every one of yall Iāve met seems more āAtlanticā than southern. But Iām sure the closer you get to West Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee the more that wanes.
Kentucky gets in because both bluegrass, bourbon, the derby, and because Tennessee vouches for them
You aināt wrong about Florida either. The way I generally look at it is if you draw a line eastwards from the most southern part of the panhandle, everything north of that line is the south. The rest can be either corp or Caribbean.
As for Texasā¦ they have a lot of southern qualities I aināt gonna front, but there are just so many ways they donāt fit. A Texan is always show offy compared to someone from say Alabama
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 297d
nah for sure. didn't think you had issue. was just super happy it got to help us demonstrate to outsiders what i was originally saying about VA and KY. it is also reflective of my experiences of how people discuss Czechia. according to Italians, they're eastern. according to Poles they're central. ultimately, these distinctions are only useful in certain contexts that matter for how you're talking about the differences. ultimately, the conclusion is we, across the globe, are one people. our local cultures are also just that: local. i expect if you and i sat down to share spoonbread, our spoonbreads would taste different, but we'd understand the differences better than someone from Maryland or Delaware ever could
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
Word! We all the same people, and our differences make us all richer culturally!
Lazylazycat@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 296d
Yeah and their currency is the Koruna, not the Euro.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 295d
Wait, I'm about to go there for a day trip in a week. Can I not use the Euro at all there?
B0rax@feddit.org · 5 pts · 295d
No. But you likely can just pay by card.
k0e3@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 295d
Thanks!
Vikthor@piefed.world · 1 pts · 293d
Some tourist oriented establishments allow to pay in euros, but usually they offer horrible exchange rate.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 295d
Gotta Check that out!
Joking aside, wonderful country! I went there on a whim 1999 for the new year (long story) coolest people on earth! Gotta go visit again some day.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 297d
Depends who you ask and what the context is
Bobbysaurus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 297d
No, not really.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 297d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe
Bobbysaurus@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 296d
You donāt make the point you think youāre making dear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 296d
For a reminder, this was my point: Depends who you ask and what the context is
And both articles say exactly that... Even your article starts with
Bobbysaurus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 296d
And if you read more than the beginning youāll find out that the Czech Republic is almost universally defined as a part of Central Europe.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 296d
I feel like you're a bit confused about what the discussion is
That's shown by both the article for Eastern Europe mentioning how it is sometimes included and how it's sometimes not included in Central Europe from your article. The article you linked just says it's often included but that's again what I was saying, it's only "often" because it depends.
wieson@feddit.org · 2 pts · 295d
Well, if you asked an idiot, Czechia might be defined as part of Antarctica.
The people we should ask are the Czechs.
And anyone who empathises with them will agree, it's in central Europe.
This is not just a geographic discussion. It's a question of whether you respect their 1000 year history of important kings and prince electors of the holy roman empire, or if you just look at the 80 years of forceful soviet occupation.
Compare traditional Czech dishes with Bavarian and with Russian dishes, you will see.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 295d
It definitely seems like a topic some are very emotional about and not just a simple geographic grouping. But I was just saying that those differing definitions exist still
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 6 pts · 296d
ā Czech people
Meanwhile, Ā¼ of Germany:
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 35 pts · 297d
Isn't that the guy from The Bear and Shameless?
RidderSport@feddit.org · 31 pts · 297d
I'd recon this was taken on the set of The Bear
three@lemmy.zip · -30 pts · 297d
I don't know... The Bear is about a restaurant and this set kind of looks like a restaurant.... Oh look! Another brainrot slop tiktok just dropped!
WR5@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 296d
... What?
three@lemmy.zip · -10 pts · 296d
Just a little playful banter with a state-the-obvious gen alpha slop-addict. No need to get involved.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 295d
Jeremy Allen White
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 297d
Honestly, all eastern European porn is sad. The girls are clearly hating what they are doing and they seem like they are doing it out of necessity.
plyth@feddit.org · 8 pts · 296d
Thank god for retail and waitress jobs. All American girls know how to enjoy what they are doing.
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 295d
I'm not saying American girls are all enjoying what they are doing. Esp porn from from Russia are all sad to me. Similar to porn from East Asian countries (non Han variants). Just sad.
plyth@feddit.org · 2 pts · 295d
I think it's a cultural thing. Russians don't smile out of courtesy like the West. It looks sad to us because we are used to smiles but it's more genuine. I would expect that on average, girls have the same feelings all over the world.
When it comes to final smiles, it is a requirement from the payment processors that after violent scenes, the video has to finish with the girl smiling and being in a good mood. That must mean that the girls have to smile if they want to be paid, no matter how they feel.
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 295d
Oh, I'm def not into violent porn. I don't even like those Japanese porn that simulate rape. I know the girls are clearly safe. It's just disturbing.
I didn't know about the final smile tho being required or else they don't get paid.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 293d
How many are trafficking victims?
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 293d
Ya, can't say the laws are very strong in Russia.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 19 pts · 297d
He's got that sexy time, sexy time sadness.
S-s-sexy time, sexy time sadness, oh, oh oh oh ooooh!
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
Hey, 20 euros is 20 euros...
tamal3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Kiss me once before you go
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 297d
Anyone else sick of these rich people shows about rich people restaurants? I would rather see a show about a lower middle class guy who works in a shitty diner. I donāt understand the appeal of all the rich people tv shows
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 33 pts · 297d
Haveā¦have you watched The Bear?
Donāt get me wrong, the Berzatto family had money, and some of their relations do. Butā¦most of the characters are not wealthy, and the restaurant started as a local sandwich joint.
Itās a really good show, I recommend it. Itās like Ted Lasso but dark and depressing.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 297d
The Faks are the best part of the show.
Haunting should be the way we resolve our differences.
nnullzz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
I was lost the first half of that episode before realizing what a haunting was. Brilliant execution
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 297d
Iāve heard thereās a lot of fancy cooking flashbacks
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 3 pts · 296d
Sure. And eventually, fancy cooking in the present. Still, humble beginnings for the restaurant. And humble existence for the characters: restaurant margins are very slim.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 297d
Did you even watch the first season?
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 297d
Why would I? It looked just like the type of show im trying to avoid
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 296d
Its probably not what you think. It's themes have more to do with the stress and failures of the restaurant business. It's gritty in a way.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 296d
The bear is literally about a guy spurred to reconnect with his family and working class roots by the death of his brother after he has been made mentally sick by the demands of working for the rich and elite in the service industry.
Also the barrier for entry for this show is unbelievably low. It probably has one of the all time best first episodes of any tv show. Watching it would also make you immediately understand how much of a fool you look like right now. The setting is a financially struggling family owned restaurant that caters exclusively to working class people.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 296d
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But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 296d
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 296d
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 296d
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FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 297d
Bob's Burgers is the show for you
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 297d
Love me some belchers
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 297d
I'm not sure that The Bear really fits what you're complaining about here, but I love the complaint and agree with it in general, so upvoted your comment anyways. So much fiction nowadays is about rich people and "nepo babies", And life scenarios that are generally completely unattainable for most people. As if it wasn't already obvious enough that the majority of mass market fiction is created as some sort of escapist opioid for the peasants. The worst is the new "eat the rich" genre, that pretends to be criticizing, capitalism and wealth while simultaneously drooling over it the whole time.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 297d
The only clips Iāve seen from the bear have a lot of fancy restaurant kitchen stuff
PeacefulForest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 297d
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 296d
Yeah that's a fair point, it does have some of that wealth ogling going on. Although in that show since none of the characters are really that rich, it feels more like they're in the shadow of wealth rather than partaking in it. I give that a pass because, how could you tell a realistic modern story without having people in the shadow of wealth?
tetris11@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 297d
Drove me insane with my ex her choice of TV shows. It was always a bunch of rich people having rich people problems, that were only somewhat tangentially relatable to regular people.
Gilmore Girls, Ginny and Georgia, huge peeves of mine. No one lives that life except a very very select few, and here they are on camera trying to make us pity them
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
My wife watches This is us, Us, and these other shows where everyone is always made up, wearing designer clothing. Everyone lives in a big house that is always clean, the neighborhood is picturesque.
I tried to watch that show master of none but it annoyed me because even the dumb fat sidekick character was always dressed in expensive current fashion and all they did was rich people shit and complaining
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 297d
I liked The Menu though.
tamal3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Midnight Diner is the bomb.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
Becker is half set in a diner.
dick_fineman@discuss.online · 1 pts · 297d
I would enjoy a show about restaurants that serve rich people...
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 297d
Or in the faces of Russian soldiers just before the FPV hits them.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 296d
People like you are why I have no faith in humanity.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d
Always happy to help.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 296d
He looks like he doesn't get any respect.
dick_fineman@discuss.online · 8 pts · 297d
Well this hurt my heart.
mhague@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 297d
He looks like he's about to smile to me.
arnitbier@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 296d
Why would you say something so controversial yet so true?