Whoever convinced his following that the man only jokes and never does anything honestly deserves some kind of reverse peace prize. Like the Oppenheimer Award or some shit.
(b) individuals and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, dealers or collectors who were members of Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc., Second Amendment Foundation, or Louisiana Shooting Association at the time this action was filed on November 6, 2020
I'll have to take a deeper dive, but as I've seen some of the actual right-winger pages posting statements on it I'm guessing that it isn't just those dangerous body dysmorphia folks.
Except for the fact that we've been collecting guns for 250 years to prevent this exact scenario. I support the right to own a gun more than I support actual gun ownership, if that makes any sense. A government SHOULD fear its people but I worry that ship sailed a hundred years ago.
Currently they don't fear citizens with guns; they're fishing for them, trying to bait them into violence so they can use that to sell the rest of the public on martial law and mass arrests.
I don't think you can make that prediction. Its quite possible things will become tepidly bearable again... before getting much much worse than it is now.
Everything is steadily getting worse in every category. That means that today is both the worst day in American history, and the best day we'll ever have again. I absolutely promise you that there will come a day when you dream of having the problems we have now.
Is this an actual registry by design, or a product of recent brain rot jurisprudence that relief only applies to the plaintiffs listed, and thus this membership list is needed to know who does gets said relief?
They already appealed to modify the judgment, and even the DOJ lawyer signed on to their appeal.
Why? The SAF is a growing activist group, but they’re hardly the bulk of owners. The ATF has been digitizing dealer books of 4473s for decades and has eFile paperwork reporting on lock - if they want to build a registry, they have it already.
This reads to me more like a judge made a call based on SCotUS’s recent goofy rulings around standing and relief, instead of a deliberate end-run registry.
The defendant has the right to identify their accuser…
It’s just that in this case, the defendant is the ATF because they were overstepping their authority.
And now the ATF will have at least a partial list of gun owners. I guess the intent is to provide relief to these and only these plaintiffs? i.e. the ATF can restrict the sale of firearms to individuals aged 18-20 with anyone NOT named on that list?
Lots of loud people demanding she be fired and of course the ATF is being flamed a good amount too (just from what I can see). I appreciate your breakdown on this, some interesting ways it can unfold that I wouldn't have known to watch for. 🤘🏽🖤
lol, yeah. I’m totally not a lawyer, but I do believe that in criminal cases that’s how it works between the defendant and the plaintiff. The defendant gets to face their accuser.
Now, this might be a civil suit, and I don’t know how that relates or changes in civil law. This seems like a civil tort case.
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Manjushri@piefed.social · 112 pts · 318d
Color me shocked. I mean from the administration of the man who said, take the guns first and due process later.
Take the guns first - Trump
trager_bombs@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 318d
Whoever convinced his following that the man only jokes and never does anything honestly deserves some kind of reverse peace prize. Like the Oppenheimer Award or some shit.
Cargon@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 316d
He'll do it, blame Democrats, and his (R)etarded followers will eat it up.
Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 318d
Which gun rights group are they referring to?
iN8sWoRLd@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 318d
(b) individuals and federally licensed firearms importers, manufacturers, dealers or collectors who were members of Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc., Second Amendment Foundation, or Louisiana Shooting Association at the time this action was filed on November 6, 2020
https://saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Reese-v.-ATF-judgment-10.7.25.pdf
trager_bombs@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 318d
Oh, thank you- I promise I wasn't blowing smoke, I really was going to get that. 💀
trager_bombs@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 318d
I'll have to take a deeper dive, but as I've seen some of the actual right-winger pages posting statements on it I'm guessing that it isn't just those dangerous body dysmorphia folks.
BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 317d
Before this dictatorship is over they will try to disarm the American population.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 317d
Which is, per se, not a bad idea.
BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 317d
Except for the fact that we've been collecting guns for 250 years to prevent this exact scenario. I support the right to own a gun more than I support actual gun ownership, if that makes any sense. A government SHOULD fear its people but I worry that ship sailed a hundred years ago.
monotremata@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 316d
Currently they don't fear citizens with guns; they're fishing for them, trying to bait them into violence so they can use that to sell the rest of the public on martial law and mass arrests.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 316d
It's a horrible idea both from an ethical standpoint and from the practical standpoint
joel_feila@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 316d
no only parts
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 316d
Every time I think of our current dictatorship I look forward to 2028 when it's over.
But just look how much damage he's done in only a the first few months, I dread to imagine how much he's going to destroy in the next 3 years.
At this point we're all just counting on his health failing any day now, the sooner the better.
And hoping his successors come back to their right minds and restore USA back to land of the free, American Dream and all that.
Mossheart@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 316d
You expect 2028 to be...better?
Nah dude. It's going to get worse before it gets worse..
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 316d
I don't think you can make that prediction. Its quite possible things will become tepidly bearable again... before getting much much worse than it is now.
BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 316d
Everything is steadily getting worse in every category. That means that today is both the worst day in American history, and the best day we'll ever have again. I absolutely promise you that there will come a day when you dream of having the problems we have now.
shalafi@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 318d
EXACTLY why I never joined a damned gun group. Also why I'm not even trying to find leftist groups.
trager_bombs@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 318d
This is also another clear example as to why it is so difficult to organize the left. 🫠💀
Almacca@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 318d
I want to join the People Who Hate People party, but it's hard to get a meeting together.
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 317d
I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 318d
Srsly Barbie, you’re overdue for some MAGA facework. Tbh your job isn’t secure.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Neck work needed
Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 318d
A few key points tho:
This reads to me more like a judge made a call based on SCotUS’s recent goofy rulings around standing and relief, instead of a deliberate end-run registry.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 317d
Yeah, but Big Balls accidentally deleted the files when he was on the toilet, trying to post a meme.
digredior@lemmynsfw.com · 11 pts · 318d
The defendant has the right to identify their accuser…
It’s just that in this case, the defendant is the ATF because they were overstepping their authority.
And now the ATF will have at least a partial list of gun owners. I guess the intent is to provide relief to these and only these plaintiffs? i.e. the ATF can restrict the sale of firearms to individuals aged 18-20 with anyone NOT named on that list?
SulaymanF@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 317d
Their accuser is the organization. That doesn’t give them the right to know every member of the organization. That’s a really bad precedent.
digredior@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 317d
Yeah, I’m not a lawyer… I’m just talking out loud.
trager_bombs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Lots of loud people demanding she be fired and of course the ATF is being flamed a good amount too (just from what I can see). I appreciate your breakdown on this, some interesting ways it can unfold that I wouldn't have known to watch for. 🤘🏽🖤
digredior@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 318d
lol, yeah. I’m totally not a lawyer, but I do believe that in criminal cases that’s how it works between the defendant and the plaintiff. The defendant gets to face their accuser.
Now, this might be a civil suit, and I don’t know how that relates or changes in civil law. This seems like a civil tort case.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 316d
Here's a de-X-ified link to the tweet: https://nitter.net/allenanalysis/status/1977059498800873767
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · -38 pts · 318d
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 317d
If a human couldn't be bothered to write it, I can't be bothered to read it.
TLDR; git gud dipshit
athatet@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 316d
That certainly is a lot of water you wasted for something no one is going to read.