That was Donnys way to scratch Elon's back for helping with the campaign. After the back stabbing and subsequent fall out, I'm sure Elon took all his people out.
Tesla should be fined and forced to change when saying or responding with "despite its name self driving is not self driving". They continue to lie. With continued consequences. At the cost of others and the public.
Them responding as such is absurd. Them getting away with that even more so.
WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE STILL EXPECTING THIS GARBAGE TO WORK? Tesla’s “full self driving” crashes have been widely covered. Is it simple ignorance? Are they not aware of the news? Is it stubbornness? Laziness? Thinking that “it won’t happen to me”? Do they sincerely believe Musk’s lies?
I know that victim blaming isn’t the answer, and that’s not what I’m doing. I just want to know what’s going on in their heads.
People don't know about the unreliability of such systems. They also don't know how simple Tesla's autopilot is compared to other systems.
As a person who has used OpenCV before, I would never trust a computer vision system. I maybe could trust LiDAR based systems as those can see 3 dimensionally but that's a big "maybe".
The weirdest part to me is that one apple engineer who died in a tesla crash. I have no idea how an engineer working in a software company could trust that thing
I have no idea how an engineer working in a software company could trust that thing
Because many of us are fucking morons. I had one colleague who was writing the control software for a baseball-throwing machine. Despite being way past the deadline and way over budget, the client asked him to create a special version of the software so the machine could be used with Little League teams. He decided to do his first test of this version on a field with actual Little Leaguers on it, which resulted in a 125 mph knuckleball (no spin at all so incredibly erratic in flight) a foot above a 10-year-old kid's head. Which resulted in the only time in my programming career that I had to physically intervene to prevent a fistfight between two people (my boss and the client).
What's mad is there are self-driving vehicles that do actually seem to work. There is even a few that have enough confidence to remove driving controls. But they use LiDAR, the one technology that musk refuse is to incorporate for some reason.
I think an analogue version would be a taxi. Buses drive set routes I would hope that the self-driving car can go on all roads not just pre-selected ones.
How is this clearly defective product still on the market?? If any other car manufacturer had "features" that were so consistently causing this much mayhem they would have recalled all vehicles and been held liable.
We don't look at car features in isolation. e.g. seatbelt or airbag could cause injuries too in a crash, but we have them because it's better than not having them.
In the same token self driving doesn't have to be perfect, it just need to be better than humans. I don't know what Tesla's number looks like, just speaking generally.
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_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 53 pts · 314d
RogueBanana@piefed.zip · 13 pts · 314d
Is doge still around?
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 8 pts · 313d
nucleative@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 313d
That was Donnys way to scratch Elon's back for helping with the campaign. After the back stabbing and subsequent fall out, I'm sure Elon took all his people out.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 313d
they already cut the NHTSA. No one is invesigating shit.
Kissaki@feddit.org · 48 pts · 314d
Tesla should be fined and forced to change when saying or responding with "despite its name self driving is not self driving". They continue to lie. With continued consequences. At the cost of others and the public.
Them responding as such is absurd. Them getting away with that even more so.
tb_@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 313d
It's because during (boasting?) exaggerated claims are often made, so it's totally fiiiine and legal!
Consumer protection is such a sham.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au · 0 pts · 312d
But it is self driving, and it needs to be supervised like the name says.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 43 pts · 314d
WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE STILL EXPECTING THIS GARBAGE TO WORK? Tesla’s “full self driving” crashes have been widely covered. Is it simple ignorance? Are they not aware of the news? Is it stubbornness? Laziness? Thinking that “it won’t happen to me”? Do they sincerely believe Musk’s lies?
I know that victim blaming isn’t the answer, and that’s not what I’m doing. I just want to know what’s going on in their heads.
yogurtwrong@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 314d
People don't know about the unreliability of such systems. They also don't know how simple Tesla's autopilot is compared to other systems.
As a person who has used OpenCV before, I would never trust a computer vision system. I maybe could trust LiDAR based systems as those can see 3 dimensionally but that's a big "maybe".
The weirdest part to me is that one apple engineer who died in a tesla crash. I have no idea how an engineer working in a software company could trust that thing
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 313d
Some of the stupidest people I've ever known were brilliant engineers.
Same could be said for many people with very specific doctorates.
As the popular band Smashmouth once sang: 'Your brain gets smart, but your head gets dumb'.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 313d
Because many of us are fucking morons. I had one colleague who was writing the control software for a baseball-throwing machine. Despite being way past the deadline and way over budget, the client asked him to create a special version of the software so the machine could be used with Little League teams. He decided to do his first test of this version on a field with actual Little Leaguers on it, which resulted in a 125 mph knuckleball (no spin at all so incredibly erratic in flight) a foot above a 10-year-old kid's head. Which resulted in the only time in my programming career that I had to physically intervene to prevent a fistfight between two people (my boss and the client).
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 313d
all this shit is tested in sunny Southern California at day time. None of it works raining or snowing.
echodot@feddit.uk · 10 pts · 314d
What's mad is there are self-driving vehicles that do actually seem to work. There is even a few that have enough confidence to remove driving controls. But they use LiDAR, the one technology that musk refuse is to incorporate for some reason.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 313d
Cost, the reason is cost.
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 313d
That's like saying that they're going to cut the engine out of a car because it makes the car more expensive. Yeah but it also makes the car work.
Self-driving without lidar is never going to work, and it's likely to get them sued for releasing it like that.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 313d
Yes. That's Tesla's entire design philosophy: the industry standard is holding this piece on with 5 bolts? Do it with 3. Cut every corner.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 313d
There are analog versions called buses.
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 313d
I think an analogue version would be a taxi. Buses drive set routes I would hope that the self-driving car can go on all roads not just pre-selected ones.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 313d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 313d
Elon Musk is best friends with Tony Stark. He's a jeanius.
These people locked inside and burning to death are just crashing it wrong.
Strider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 313d
I still personally know multiple people who still think those are awesome cars.
They're otherwise educated, intelligent people!
I really don't comprehend.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 313d
They should investigate why assholes are still feeding Fascists.
titanicx@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 313d
Money.
boaratio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 313d
Case closed.
individual@toast.ooo · 16 pts · 314d
dellish@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 313d
How is this clearly defective product still on the market?? If any other car manufacturer had "features" that were so consistently causing this much mayhem they would have recalled all vehicles and been held liable.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 313d
We don't look at car features in isolation. e.g. seatbelt or airbag could cause injuries too in a crash, but we have them because it's better than not having them.
In the same token self driving doesn't have to be perfect, it just need to be better than humans. I don't know what Tesla's number looks like, just speaking generally.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 312d
As a motorcyclist and bicyclist, I am not afraid of getting hurt by failures of other people's seatbelts and airbags.
I know what you're getting at, but there's more at stake here.
HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 314d
This should bump the stock up another $50-60 tomorrow!!
Little8Lost@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 314d
That image reminded me of the incident a few jears ago so i thought it was a repost but the article is from 2025.10.09
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 313d
Engage N64 Kalimari Desert mode.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 313d
That explains them trying to drive through solid fences over and over again
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 314d
How many more times does Tesla's trash excuse of a self-driving system need to be investigated?
lumen@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 313d
Is that this Hyperloop thing Musk was talking about?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 313d
That's a tunnel in Las Vegas, and last I heard it was seeping toxic waste that causes severe chemical burns into said tunnel.
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 311d
No that's the Loop. No one has built a hyperloop yet, beyond a few short test tracks.
frog_meister@lemmings.world · 1 pts · 313d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 313d
Vegas is going broke.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 314d
Who is still buying these things man?
TuffNutzes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 313d
"Full self driving"